Albion Attitudes

[case-rigantis]

the thing is guys everyne seems to have missed the point of teh game entirely

the game isn`t about camping the"best exp" spots for 20 hours and whining when you can`t get a group there ..it`s about having fun and enjoying yourself!

can`t get a group? np go dom something else..people pissing you off? np just forget it and remember next time they`re looking for a group

i mean there is so much to do in this game why do people insis on sitting at tanglers fior hour after hour grinding away and then complaining cos it`s boriing and crap?

ffs try : DF, Elylls, Danoan soldiers, cymystwths(or whatever tehy`re called)...giant worms...the list goes on ...dartmoor...barrows...

have fun stop whining

 

[fatgit]

case- rigantis : I agree to an extent, but the sad fact is, for 40+ xp NOTHING beats tanglers, believe me Ive been to all the places you mention.

Having 2 44+ chars, I want my cabby levelled asap - so tanglers it is.
5 hours soloing will usually get me .1 or .2 - ONE tangler solo on aqua gets me .15 in 5 mins

The game is at fault here, you need groups on tangs to get decent xp, or its gonna take 400+ solo kills to level :/

Tanglers > all for xp. Sad but true.

 

[Jupitus]

Very true... 4 or 5 man tanglers at 47+ is probably about as good as a tree group... I was waiting to join Wicoa's 50-dinging tree group last weekend, and soloing normal yellow (some orange) con goblins, as fast as I could with very little downtime for about 14 mill a time....

In the time I took to gain .3 bub, Lunar who was in Wicoa's group and (was) almost identical level to me gained about 1.8 bubs.

I can understand Mythic wanting to encourage people to group up, but for my money that's just too big a discrepancy in xp between grouping and soloing

Then again, it has been rumoured that when Wicoa pulls trees, the auto is no longer dead

 

[j000 d000d]

A solution:

Forget tanglers, Albion is the only realm which has that kind of mobs and its just not a place to group.

Find other mobs which are red/purple and kill those with a group, much better. Like witherwoodes.

 

[Venemous]

Originally posted by Teador
Typically Albion

No offence but Teador you were the worst Tang snob my alt ever met hehe and you know it

 

[case-rigantis]

there`s more to the game than getting exp as fast as possible..

if thats the only reason people play then i`m sorry for you guys..

i personally play for fun..i`ve done tanglers untill it stopped being interesting i`ve done tree`s untill it stopped being interesting i`ve done calleach guards same..

now i only exp in these spots to help out friends and have a laugh or go exploring

remember guys "ITS A GAME"

game: something done for fun

 

[Venemous]

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Is it just me or do Shredders in DF level you up nearly twice as fast as trees???? Plus you can bind at Pry Fort next to a healer and avoid all those long horse rides.... and you can defend excal easy from there too

 

[Venemous]

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Fun? I think theres a much stronger addiction factor involved.. it stopped being fun ages ago...

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by case-rigantis
there`s more to the game than getting exp as fast as possible..

if thats the only reason people play then i`m sorry for you guys..

i personally play for fun..i`ve done tanglers untill it stopped being interesting i`ve done tree`s untill it stopped being interesting i`ve done calleach guards same..

now i only exp in these spots to help out friends and have a laugh or go exploring

remember guys "ITS A GAME"

game: something done for fun

For some achieving goals is fun, if that goal is level 50 then naturally they're going to want to get it as fast as possible. Does that mean that you have the right to restrict their fun by saying they must make full groups? A very arrogant and selfish attitude if so.

 

[fatgit]

Originally posted by old.Teador
A solution:

Forget tanglers, Albion is the only realm which has that kind of mobs and its just not a place to group.

Find other mobs which are red/purple and kill those with a group, much better. Like witherwoodes.

Witherwood group - remember you cannot auto these anymore - are pretty bad XP, again, tanglers xp is better.

Venomous :
Is it just me or do Shredders in DF level you up nearly twice as fast as trees???? Plus you can bind at Pry Fort next to a healer and avoid all those long horse rides.... and you can defend excal easy from there too

Shredders arent a sgood xp as tangs again. There are also god knows how many aggro mobs in DF, and you generally get wiped by mids :/

Teador : how long did you camp tanglers again ?

Case : after months xp'ing various chars, I WANT 50 asap to get OFF the XP mill, and actually have a damned chance in RvR
I play the game to RvR, not to hit 500 mobs per level.

Also, I dont see the point in gimping xp for EVERYONE in a group JUST so that everyones grouped.
What is the point in 8 people doing a pull for less xp than they could each get soloing ?

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by Venemous


No offence but Teador you were the worst Tang snob my alt ever met hehe and you know it

I did tanglers until ~45

After that its horrible you need a small group and you die a lot, its just not a camping spot for 45+

I did withers/DM at 45+, was much better.

And who is your alt?

 

[old.Hendrick]

Witherwoodes are TEH ROCK! If you just pull them superfast and have a high level group that can shredder them in an instant. In Wicoas superspeed tree group it took me maybe four hours to get from 49.6 to 50. Insanely fast, you could actually see the bar move again.

 

[Roalith]

Originally posted by fatgit

As an example, our guild group took in a level 41 lastnight on the island/aqua, and he was getting less xp per tangler pull than soloing an easy yellow :/

Yup, he was... but he was enjoying the hot tangler cash lovin'

 

[old.Mitsu]

Its kinda sad you have you to spend 3/4 of this game doing boring stuff so you can finally have fun in rvr

 

[bonna]

rd-astas:

you can tell k7 is an armsman, he has that attitude about him, hes also pretty arrogant, one of those people who id happily add to my ignore list.
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heh well sorry to throw in back in ur face but k70`s main char is a lvl 50 infi , u know studded/leather armor massive damage etc
more importantly , his first main char was a cleric , lvl 43 it hink , then he re started an infi, and still beat me to lvl 50. guess if u really want lvl 50 u make ur own groups and not wait for it...
even if its gimpy groups u think u will dir in , try , it might just work , gimpyest group i done was 1 sorc 1 mins 1 caba 2 infi 1 tank @ tangers ( im the tank ).
infi / scout have a hard time @ lvling . but when ur there . he has the better time with rps? coz i sure find it hard tho i dont care to much. if u think of exp / rps as end of the world if u dont get any... u shudnt play this game .. as someone put .. its meant to be fun .... make it fun .......in ur own way

 

[old.Wicoa]

The auto is not dead hehe thanks hendrick and jup <tips hat>.
Its important to realise you're limits and potentials to gain the best amounts of xp. Jup I very much doubt what I was doing will be replicated it was a special session honed to get people to 50.

 

[Cavex ElSaviour]

Just came back from an 8 man tangler grp. with me beeing 42 it is slow xp per pull. but, we had an ace grp, virtualy no downtime and the total xp was just as good as a 6 man grp with downtime.
And most important, for the first time since ages i had fun at tanglers.

If u cab't get a grp or bored at tanglers, i can recommend a 3 man gobbo grp. 2 40+ members and a friend/guildie who is in his begin/mid 30's. it's easy, it's fun (if u'r with somebody whith who u can have some fun talk), the 30 guy gets good xp (so i was told by him) and u can make a bub an hour easy.

dunno what happens after 44, but till that time i'm gonna xp that way.

 

[Yussef]

I like to run inside the gobbo tree camp, sprint around inside for 10 seconds and come out with every single goblin. Done that in a 5 man group, 2 Paladins, 1 Sorc, 1 Infil and 1 Cleric (just to heal me once I have pulled all the gobbos). Kalis the Infil got .3 a pull at level 47 when I pull everything. That's cool exp Will have the same downtime as a 8 man group because you still need to wait for a pop.

Thats a cool way of doing gobbos, so darn funny to actually survive mind

 

[Generic Poster]

There're three ways to get into a tangler group, if you're playing a difficult class.

1 - You log in around 9am and join others who are just logging in. With not many people around, you're guarenteed a spot.

2 - You start your own group. This works best during busy hours, as there're always a couple of people lingering around the tanglers and more coming in all the time. Start spamming "/who Lyo", "/who Cornwall" and ask people who you don't see in any tangler groups around you, if they want to join.

3 - You get lucky!



Take in the response from this thread, as it shows the reasons people play for. Personally, I play for fun without any desire to be 'uber'. Others want to be just that and some just want lv50 asap. But they're all paying to play and you can't hold it against them.

If someone refuses you a spot with a little excuse, fine. If someone tells you they're 'fine', try not to think of them as assholes, difficult, I know. If they ignore you outright, repay the complement the next time they ask you for a space.


It's an on-line game! Yet players tend to forget they're dealing with real people, and probably see each other as NPCs.
"OMG! the path finding on that minstrel is totally screwed!!"
"This cleric has bugged AI, he never heals me on time!!!!"

errrr, anyway yes.. it's not about XP or whatever... imo it's about respect, or lack of it, for fellow players. You wouldn't turn a friend down, yet someone better suited to the group will be, because of XP loss.


Although I do understand Tanglers are difficult XP for higher level groups, I do want to know what the f**k lv45s are doing there! Leave those spots for lv38-44's or so. Do you know how annoying it is to find some 1man lv50 group camping a whole Tangler spot... whilst depriving 8 people of good xp?!


And what do people have against infiltrators?
At lv40, I could pretty much kill an orange-con pygmy with my PA chain alone, or 1-2 hits after. In one group, a frair + Armsman would go to work on a goblin, then I would PA an add and kill him before the Tank+Friar finished with theirs.

People need to understand infiltrators aren't only good in RvR. We do high damage in PvE and are damned good for agro control, perhaps only bested by a Paly w/healchant or sorc who remembers to use amnesia.



Today in a 6man group, all around the 40mark(inf, merc, cleric, Theu(BT+root+Puller), Wiz, minstrel), an unlikely mix as we had no real tanks or CC(I don't trust Theus ), well, after a few pulls we were working damned good. Then we pulled a tangler from the tress, and a tangler added with him and another tangler added with the second, so we had three pulls amounting to over 25 goblins. Did we shit ourselves, yes. But, we killed at least 19 of the fuckers, yes! 6 lv40's, killing 19/25 tanglers. Now I've seen 8man 'dream' groups who get owned by 15 tanglers... so the morale of this story is, Inf and Mercs aren't as useless in PvE as you think. We don't die in two hits and we're good at taking agro off casters.


Why do casters normally drop when agro'd?
Because your average plate-wearer doesn't understand his role beyond taking damage. "oh look, girly man being hit by goblin. Tank man let girly-man feel pain, girly man become stong like tank man".

Dammit, I'm not stereotyping. I have a taunt style as no.2 on my quickbar, because I use it that damned often.



/ranting on a little, but it surprises me how many people think infils are useless in PvE.


Saying that, there are some classes you need in a ~lv40 tangler group:
Cleric
CC (sorc prefferably, but if you can find a Theu with PBT and AoE root, even better. They make the best Tangler pullers also)
Fire-Wizard (the more, the better)
Minstrel
Melee-class(keeps agro of casters, who do the damage)

Although in desperate cases, you could go without the minstrel and wizard.



When all is said and done, I prefer larger lively groups, to smaller quiet ones. Do know how boring it is to level with XP zombies?

[group]pull
[group]INC
[group]R
[group]R
[group]R
[group]R
[group]pull
[group]INC
[group]R
[group]R
[group]R
[group]R
[group]pull
[group]INC
[group]R
[group]R
[group]R
[group]afk
[group]R
[group]pull
[group]INC
etc...

 

[old.Morchaoron]

Do you know how boring it is to exp?

 

[agraucred]

Same old sad story.... the reality is that people that inhabit the same realm treat Xping as Competitive sport. If they level faster than you they feel superior for some reason.

far too true. it seems lots of people act competitivly within there own realm. the whole aim of the game is to better the other realms, but unfortunatly too many people think that bettering what is effecftivly there own team mate is there main goal. ill admit that on a few occasions i have thought "id like to better him/her", but that has only been about people that i really do not get on with or find irritating/will not group with (being too high/low to group with them is an excuse not to have t put up with them) but on the whole i try not to be competitive, i just try and lvl up when i can and at a reasonable speed, unfortunatly this is made frustrating by how dependant you are upon groups to gain those lvls, and how many groups seem to be full or "not looking for <insert your class here>". also the whole "list" thing cannot really be taken seriously, yesterday a guild mate was in a group and told me that i was next on the groups list, but as he was the next person to leave they ignored the fact that he had told me i could get in the next free spot and went for someone a little higher.

[edit] and in response to the "tanglers are the best exp" stuff, i kinda disagree there. i do think that shredders in DF are much faster, but unfortunatly there are other things to take in to account. 1) more people camp tanglers, more chance of finding a group. 2) most people that go into DF are either 20-30 and solo/grouping the areas not too far from the merchants 3) its danerous in there, agro ranges seem to be insanely large, and u never know when people from another realm might come along

 

[Lochlyessa]

This is just a reply to all the people who keep going on about infils/scouts dmg etc. Whenever i was a gl at trees etc, I was always wary of taking in infils especially. why? Because, since you do so much damage, you take aggro off the plate wearing, shield usig tanks, and onto your own leatherclad selves.. Seeing the problem? An infil takes much more healing then a shield specced pala, so using much more mana and creating more downtime. This is just my opinion as a rejuve cleric, but I think in xp groups I would actually prefer an armsman or pala over an infil. and as for scouts.. its my opinion that you need one (Rar wicoa) but at times we had 3 or 4 on the list, and if we invited them all, we'd have a gimped group and everyone would die :\ So i do hope that you see my point.
If the scout leaves, then you get a place, if not, we're not gonna gimp the group and lose ppl xp just to please you :\

 

[Jupitus]

Yep Loch - totally agree with you.

Infils can do damage, sure, but it takes a bit of work to do it right and not be a nightmare for the team healer. Bear in mind, that just getting a bit too much aggro on a paper-clad infil could easily mean the cleric having to dish out a larger heal then normal, or possibly an insta heal... aggro on cleric, he can't cast to heal himself or others... nasty situation.

For an infil to do decent damage they usually need to be stealthing and using a CS style... this is slow, and often very difficult if there a re a few tanks sharing the aggro round (ie its hard to line up a PA with the mob turning)... in general it becomes ineffective to even try on many occasions.

So... infils CAN do damage in PvE in ideal circumstances, but it's pretty rare to find that in the rush of a tree pull. I guess its a case of simply accepting the fact and getting on with your life - tank as best you can and use your envenom to get the damage ticking away. Hopefully many of the other classes out there will remember who it is that hops up onto that keep wall to stop those nasty archers popping away at the casters, or stands silently stealthed as they sit to regain power and watches for enemy stealthers, or guards the climb points in a keep defense to give them a clear area to stand in and fight.

Infiltrators are gods of RvR.
Infiltrators are a pain in the arse in PvE.

I got over it

Jup.

 

[VidX]

FAO: Sharma

Just noticed in your sig that you are an ice wizard...

DOES ALBION NOT KNOW ABOUT PBAOE GROUPS?

FFS! Show them how it works.

And if everyone is saying 'WTF is he on about?' regarding my post here: NO Hib PvE group gets more XP than a pbaoe group.

You guys are saying that tanks are prefered in groups, and that casters aren't as good in a group for PvE?

Well, see all those tanks, get them to TAUNT only, each tank takes a mob. Pull the mobs on top of teh pbaoe'er, and let the casters do the damage with pbaoe and AoE, lemme say: tanks hit a P+++ mob for what? 200 every 3 or 4 seconds? While the level 39 pbaoe hits the same mob for 350+, every 2 seconds or so.

Try it guys.

Then you will see that casters are VERY needed in PvE.

 

[j000 d000d]

it's just incredible to see that some lvl 45+ albs dont even know what pbae can do in groups and people in hib already ask if you have pbae at lvl 5

And pbae groups are fun, i actually enjoy exping when i get to use pbae fully

 

[old.k70]

Re: Re: XP at tanglers

rd-astas:
you can tell k7 is an armsman, he has that attitude about him, hes also pretty arrogant, one of those people who id happily add to my ignore list.

As someone else already mentioned, i am playing an infiltrator, a scout and a cleric (cleric inactive). And guess what, i've leveled them all with small tangler groups. Just be a bit creative when it comes to tactics. If you really want to help people level then refuse them and encourage them to create their own group. You are not helping them to level when you invite them in a full group of 45+ at tanglers.

old.dittytwo
why well you can have less downtime therefore attack more often

That does only work to some extend at tanglers. The faster you pull, the more you have to wait for repops and the less xp you get.

old.Yusseff:
I like to run inside the gobbo tree camp, sprint around inside for 10 seconds and come out with every single goblin. Done that in a 5 man group, 2 Paladins, 1 Sorc, 1 Infil and 1 Cleric (just to heal me once I have pulled all the gobbos).

Just get a scout to critpull the whole camp, much safer

 

[skile]

"When I was levelling Turamber I always tried to fill all 8 spots. I do understand the argument that smaller groups leads to better xp but that doesn't seem the point really. Just playing for xp and not to help our realmmates or enjoy socialising with them is very lame IMHO, and most certainly very boring."

Well said. Since when did people loose their mankind and went to become xp-robots being friends when looking for grp and being your enemy if u ask them .

It's quite funny how a cleric's power in a group can be overestamated. Me, 1 caster, 4 palas and 2 arms did deep purple without downtime .

If you think you know how a good group should be formed, you don't. Infis, scouts, wiz and armsmen are the best classes for gobbos. Since they do most damage and gobbos aren't that strong .

 

[Sharma]

Re: FAO: Sharma

Originally posted by vidx
Just noticed in your sig that you are an ice wizard...

DOES ALBION NOT KNOW ABOUT PBAOE GROUPS?

FFS! Show them how it works.

hmmm seems some one actually knows about the PBAE, ythe thing is ive only been in a few tangler groups that have allowed me to USE my PBAE, it sucks when u spec in ice 4 that sole reason and ppl flame u 4 using it

thats the reason why im slowly edging into midgard, although i will keep with sharma until 50, im moving directly to mid/excal as soon as i hit 50 and come on very rarely as sharma any more

 

[Turamber]

Re: Re: FAO: Sharma

Originally posted by sharma
it sucks when u spec in ice 4 that sole reason and ppl flame u 4 using it

thats the reason why im slowly edging into midgard

I thought you were "slowly edging into midgard" because people don't xp the way you want them to....? And what makes you think people on another server are any different?

Thing is, as anyone who posts on Barrysworld will know, there will always be people who criticise what you do -- whatever you do. Part of playing in a massive multiplayer game is being able to live with that ... if you can't then it's time to slowly edge to a one player game.

Ice wiz's are very rare, so cut people some slack and show them what you can do. Avoid the muppets who are rude and find some decent people to have fun with. Some tips from an old hand

 

[fatgit]

Re: Re: Re: XP at tanglers

Originally posted by old.k70


Just get a scout to critpull the whole camp, much safer

nah, cabby sapphire pet on damage shield, fully buffed , then theyre all grouped nicely for AoE'ing