Agramon RVR Tonight

[AngeLujo]

my point was that u shouldnt be whining after getting caught after clustered around fop on fight place or when going to rest spot after fight, dunno if u were in grp with cloudz, but radar accusations werent on place aswell so...

we weren't resting, we had a nice fight with NFD, 3 of us died but we won. we were about to stick up when severance came from their rest spot as i guess they were watching the fight from somewhere near. then we got instapwnd by all means about 5 sec after we finished the fight with nfd. so must've been great to dump every possible 15 min ability to get rps for 5 ppl and max 20 rps for 3 others. so i think if severance wants to add on us they should just fuckin do it in the way they did always and not the lameway they did yesterday

afterall it wasn't a bad rvr night, had some nice fights but lots ended in too much enemy...

 

[CstasY]

so must've been great to dump every possible 15 min ability to get rps for 5 ppl

Hah, yeah, 2 Agony Transmission and a TWF.

 

[Minstrel]

we weren't resting, we had a nice fight with NFD, 3 of us died but we won. we were about to stick up when severance came from their rest spot as i guess they were watching the fight from somewhere near. then we got instapwnd by all means about 5 sec after we finished the fight with nfd. so must've been great to dump every possible 15 min ability to get rps for 5 ppl and max 20 rps for 3 others. so i think if severance wants to add on us they should just fuckin do it in the way they did always and not the lameway they did yesterday

afterall it wasn't a bad rvr night, had some nice fights but lots ended in too much enemy...

Atacking a grp after a fight is now called "adding" and "lame" ic that makes u "adding lamers" since u do it urself?

I bet that if it wasnt Severance u wouldnt post what u just did.

 

[Aran Thule]

Tried running around tonight however we kept running into just high RR groups which we dont really stand a chance against.
2 hours and all of 750rp's, this was from running around various areas but wherever we went and whatever we tried it always seemed to be dragon lords and Fru's.
How is a low RR group supposed to compete or improve, we have tried not jumping on groups fighting or killing soloers but at the end of the night we ended up frustrated and disappointed.
Were playing to have fun but we dont have a hope in hells chance of beating (or even killing any) in a opted gank group.
The only low RR albs we spotted were being supported by lords/ladies, just like everyone else we just want to have fun but last night wasnt.
So what can we do? umm nice answers only please.

 

[Brite]

rps not as good as it was farming alb zerg in emain with caster group but fg fight where nice and only a couple of adds from jupiters group which was annoying especially towards the end of a fight with rures when we where spread out and fucked due to rures run and keep running forever tictacs its fucking hell to play against you guys, should have heard the abuse when you added, deserved aswell. must start recording vent and stuff maybe make a video but never can be arsed lets hope tomorrows a better one and severance and aod can shut the fuck up and just play

 

[Slitzzz]

Make a fotm HibKitespeedwarprunawaygrp , farm mid/alb zerg! pl your seers/caster then remake tankgrp

 

[Straef]

I played like shit last night, and I'm going to blame my headache for that :<
Still managed to kill Brite's group once, I believe (thanks for the rps).
Had some shit fights vs GA, as they attacked us twice while resting with everything down, and I don't think we fought them with abilities up, maybe tonight ;p

 

[Jupiter]

rps not as good as it was farming alb zerg in emain with caster group but fg fight where nice and only a couple of adds from jupiters group which was annoying especially towards the end of a fight with rures when we where spread out and fucked due to rures run and keep running forever tictacs its fucking hell to play against you guys, should have heard the abuse when you added, deserved aswell. must start recording vent and stuff maybe make a video but never can be arsed lets hope tomorrows a better one and severance and aod can shut the fuck up and just play

excuses, excuses.. we didnt add we were pulling off but "ur" group started nuking 1 or our bm's so our bard called the attack, so u lot instigated it so look at yerslef first...... that the best excuse u have for loosing huh.....and btw u should know by now that we dont add so stop slinging shit

 

[Eregion]

Regarding our last fight with Brites grp, we engaged you in hope that the other hibs wouldn't add, but apperently they did so not much to do about it. But yes, bard should've lulled after after they came

 

[Brite]

excuses, excuses.. we didnt add we were pulling off but "ur" group started nuking 1 or our bm's so our bard called the attack, so u lot instigated it so look at yerslef first...... that the best excuse u have for loosing huh.....and btw u should know by now that we dont add so stop slinging shit

you want respect your going to have to start earning it.... and thats after you start making up for adding

one of your group members being nuked is hardly an excuse to charge in, not exactly a well known group/people and mistakes can happen, attacking because of thats is pretty stupid if you ask me or just a really bad excuse

as for the loosing comment, please.... im not going to respond to that lol

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Wtf is this stupid monkey complaining about adding...?

Go and have a run or a wank and get your brain cells some fresh air, you seem to need it.

 

[Corran]

you want respect your going to have to start earning it.... and thats after you start making up for adding

one of your group members being nuked is hardly an excuse to charge in, not exactly a well known group/people and mistakes can happen, attacking because of thats is pretty stupid if you ask me or just a really bad excuse

as for the loosing comment, please.... im not going to respond to that lol

In general if im passing a group and it clear that i am not adding and someone attacks me, I will stop and just attack that person back, maybe just 1 nuke, maybe a few pets.. depends how much effort they put in to attack me

 

[Brite]

Wtf is this stupid monkey complaining about adding...?

Go and have a run or a wank and get your brain cells some fresh air, you seem to need it.

for those excal players this is manisch, the sorc that ran in the evita group which used reaver bomb (couldnt kill anything without it though haha) and insta added on everything, trying to talk to me about adding, pay attention at your own risk

 

[Brite]

In general if im passing a group and it clear that i am not adding and someone attacks me, I will stop and just attack that person back, maybe just 1 nuke, maybe a few pets.. depends how much effort they put in to attack me

thats solo and a different story but i know what you mean, like i was watching a fight from top of hill in HW and murweli comes and mezzes me, so i tell him on irc im going to kill him and them go do it and leave you can see it in random grpa in the middle then me watching from the same hill at the end \o/

 

[pjuppe]

Tried running around tonight however we kept running into just high RR groups which we dont really stand a chance against.
2 hours and all of 750rp's, this was from running around various areas but wherever we went and whatever we tried it always seemed to be dragon lords and Fru's.
How is a low RR group supposed to compete or improve, we have tried not jumping on groups fighting or killing soloers but at the end of the night we ended up frustrated and disappointed.
Were playing to have fun but we dont have a hope in hells chance of beating (or even killing any) in a opted gank group.
The only low RR albs we spotted were being supported by lords/ladies, just like everyone else we just want to have fun but last night wasnt.
So what can we do? umm nice answers only please.

i say play how you want to play it and never mind what other ppl say. there is nothing fun about running around and getting beaten all the time. in my oppionion there is 3 things you can do.

1) if you have no quarels yourself with adding just go ahead and kill everything you want. nobody can stop you really, and can't really blame you either if you only have a low RR-grp that doesn't stand a chance at the opted ''gank grps''. in the end of the day it's always more fun to kill things than to be killed. the biggest problem ppl have with the ''adders'' are ppl the ''pseudol33t'' that whine, brag, bitch and moan about everything in general and adding in perticular but play like bastards themselves. one might also from time to time dislike ppl that run strong grps that run in and annihilate good fights without much opposition. from what i can gather from your FH-posts that i have read is that you seem to be a nice person and not a asshole, so i wouldn't hold it against you if you added on a fight.

and you can always go by some of the grps point of view that engeging in a fight between 2 realm enemies thereby making it a 3-way fight isn't an add.

2) if at first you don't succeed, try try again. basicly just grind, practice and you will learn better tactics, better team play and will stand a better chance against other enemy groups. this is mostly recommended for a focused and determined ''hard core'' RvR-grp. to much banging your head into the wall can make your head hurt and quit.

3) the third one is my most constructive idea. if i'm not mistaken you have lead a number of realm defence and realm siegeing? there is great fun and loads of rps to be had when playing a balanced fg (enough dmg to kill stuff and enough support to keep you alive) in zerging. get your grp together, start a BG and head out for Avakr Faste (for example) and set your mind on taking it. if you can gather a hibzerg the midzerg will follow and loads of fun is to be had with a balanced setup

now that i've thought things through this isn't really 3 independent options, a mix of the three could work to make RvR:ing with your grp abit more fun the most important thing is teamwork and practice. RA's and templates help but you still have similar baseabilities and if you are able to use them better than your oppontent you stand a much greater chance of winning. so, practice makes it perfcet hang in there and i hope you find good times in RvR.

 

[Chronictank]

Tried running around tonight however we kept running into just high RR groups which we dont really stand a chance against.
2 hours and all of 750rp's, this was from running around various areas but wherever we went and whatever we tried it always seemed to be dragon lords and Fru's.
How is a low RR group supposed to compete or improve, we have tried not jumping on groups fighting or killing soloers but at the end of the night we ended up frustrated and disappointed.
Were playing to have fun but we dont have a hope in hells chance of beating (or even killing any) in a opted gank group.
The only low RR albs we spotted were being supported by lords/ladies, just like everyone else we just want to have fun but last night wasnt.
So what can we do? umm nice answers only please.

1) Go back to pve and work on those templates, higher utility = more survivability
2) Practice, Practice, Practice, the more you play together the better you will get
3) Dont add, take it from someone who's guild did just that, and resulted in getting steam rolled by every fg under the stars. In the long run by adding you are only fu***ng yourselves over. You cant beat them 1 on 1 now, what are you going to do when its 2 on 1 whenever a grp see's you. Just look at Custodia

easiest way to get rp's
- tower farm, take a tower leave the doors open so that it cant be razed and kill people inc to try retake it.
- Join realm missions like relic takes, and roam the outskirts of the zerg picking off incoming reinforcements, there are almost always people coming in 1-6's.
-This one will upset some people, but run 2fg of low rr. The main quarrel people have with you is that you are adding on fights which are already in progress. Running 2fg rr1-2 will give you a fair chance of winning aswell as giving them nice rvr footage if they win. But dont read this the wrong way, by 2fg i dont mean run along with your local rr8 grp where the oposition has near 0 chance of winning. They will just log

 

[Flimgoblin]

lol at "don't add" advice.

Get to RR8, then don't add you'll get more rp on the way up and can still claim to be l33t later on.
If you whine enough on the forums at people who add more than you you might be able to get everyone to forget how you got there.

 

[rure]

Tried running around tonight however we kept running into just high RR groups which we dont really stand a chance against.
2 hours and all of 750rp's, this was from running around various areas but wherever we went and whatever we tried it always seemed to be dragon lords and Fru's.
How is a low RR group supposed to compete or improve, we have tried not jumping on groups fighting or killing soloers but at the end of the night we ended up frustrated and disappointed.
Were playing to have fun but we dont have a hope in hells chance of beating (or even killing any) in a opted gank group.
The only low RR albs we spotted were being supported by lords/ladies, just like everyone else we just want to have fun but last night wasnt.
So what can we do? umm nice answers only please.

What puppiluppan said, practice do make perfect. Sure realm rank matters, but a high realm rank isnt everything. In the end it's set-up and the players abilities to utilize their classes to the max that wins the fights. We for example have one character over rr8 (Roanne who is rr8l1 I think?) and still do pretty good against every other group on the server (Terror Inc being the hardest group to beat for us atm).

Trial and error is one way to learn how to or be a competitive FG, but download gank group videos to see how they play their chars and maybe copy their set-up (VF's movies for example). Hardest thing atm for new groups I think is that there is no universal tactic that works against all the groups, which means you have to spend hours in rvr to learn to recognize the names and colors of the groups you meet to be able to know how to play against them in the most effective way.

Oh, and Ventrilo helps alot to. Being able to communicate is very important to.

What set-up are you guys running?

 

[Flimgoblin]

voice comms, opted group setup, toaed templates, higher mls (get all the toys) higher RR, playing together more, practice (so you can target luris on inc and know which of the three kobolds who just hit MoC you should be going for).

That's about it

 

[Coldbeard]

Please keep the posts coming AoD, it is highly amusing to see you whine about that we attacked you after not adding on your fights. As if you guys would not have done the same thing.

Earlier Uberlama claimed me and Gamah always fired up threads like this with accusations and add whine. Seems to me that you are the ones bitching and crying out now?

Oh, and you ought to make a list of when it is okey to attack you. Because obviously there are various rules to be followed when engaging your grp.

 

[Straef]

Wtf is this stupid monkey complaining about adding...?

Go and have a run or a wank and get your brain cells some fresh air, you seem to need it.

And you're judging him? Ahaha xD

 

[Chronictank]

lol at "don't add" advice.

Get to RR8, then don't add you'll get more rp on the way up and can still claim to be l33t later on.
If you whine enough on the forums at people who add more than you you might be able to get everyone to forget how you got there.

then be steamrolled as you are branded as a "adding" group
nice advise.....

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

for those excal players this is manisch, the sorc that ran in the evita group which used reaver bomb (couldnt kill anything without it though haha) and insta added on everything, trying to talk to me about adding, pay attention at your own risk

Aye, you are absolutly right.

At least we didn't make a movie with our utter suckage and never claimed to be something special. We also never run a billion SMs stuck to one monkey BD so even a gimped Sorc like me could afk-interrupt them all with one AoE spell.

 

[SkarIronfist]

Tried running around tonight however we kept running into just high RR groups which we dont really stand a chance against.
2 hours and all of 750rp's, this was from running around various areas but wherever we went and whatever we tried it always seemed to be dragon lords and Fru's.
How is a low RR group supposed to compete or improve, we have tried not jumping on groups fighting or killing soloers but at the end of the night we ended up frustrated and disappointed.
Were playing to have fun but we dont have a hope in hells chance of beating (or even killing any) in a opted gank group.
The only low RR albs we spotted were being supported by lords/ladies, just like everyone else we just want to have fun but last night wasnt.
So what can we do? umm nice answers only please.

If I was you, I would leave Lagamon well alone. Its not for low RRs, unless in a zerg. As you know you will be farmed and thats no fun what so ever. I have had some trully awful nights their, basically chewing the desk by the end.

Those 1st 512K of rps are what you need, so do what you have to get them. High RR opted groups like Lagamon for its nice steady flow of rps, under as 8v8 controlled conditions as possible.

Realm Ranks count, regardless what other people say. It gives you power, resistances and multitude of other abilities.

Advice - Unless you are really bored, then avoid Lagamon. If you have a caster group, then hit and run on Beno/Bled main gates, mez, kill 3/4 and run back to water (Speedwarp under surface of water,fop up 2000+ from waters edge before attacking).

Tower takes (taking guard missions - Make sure you have rams) - You will always get some opted groups, who are bored (And they react quickly), but you can still bring in a fair number of lower numbers AKA Stragglers. So work out which direction they will come. You can hold up in the tower, but be prepared to jump out back. Do a BIG Loop and come along and hit from behind. Remember tower burning on /rw is active for a few mins after the action is finished, so you will have inc for a while.

Get vent, typing out "inc N", means you are already dead If someone dies, then really they should be calling out the situation for the rest of the group. who needs rooting .. where the casters are. Something that I have never managed to do, is keep an eye on the clock for when mez immunity is up. I am sure there is plenty of other things ...

At least you don't have to worry about multiple banshees in a group

 

[Bracken]

Tried running around tonight however we kept running into just high RR groups which we dont really stand a chance against.
2 hours and all of 750rp's, this was from running around various areas but wherever we went and whatever we tried it always seemed to be dragon lords and Fru's.
How is a low RR group supposed to compete or improve, we have tried not jumping on groups fighting or killing soloers but at the end of the night we ended up frustrated and disappointed.
Were playing to have fun but we dont have a hope in hells chance of beating (or even killing any) in a opted gank group.
The only low RR albs we spotted were being supported by lords/ladies, just like everyone else we just want to have fun but last night wasnt.
So what can we do? umm nice answers only please.

Glad to see you provided them with "fair" fg fights. Funny isn't it?

Accept at low rr you are generally going to get steamrollered. So you have 2 choices. Run as 2fg to even up the odds (against high rr groups it really will be a fair fight) or accept that running as 1fg until you get to rr5+ you will continue getting royally buggered. Which at 750rps an hour is going to take a quite a while. The decent groups out there actually won't mind fighting 2fg of low rr players - they will enjoy the challenge. Only hypocritical tossers will knock you for it, but they can be humoured or ignored

 

[Aran Thule]

pjuppe, chronic, rure, skar and flimgoblin thanks for your comments.

Thing is we are never going to be an opted group, at the moment we are a balanced group, guildies and friends playing the characters they know.
Have tried setting up Vent but several arnt interested in that.
For the first time in my four years of playing im trying a support class but ive no idea how well im doing or even if im having an effect on the enemy.
I want us to have fun but not really at the expense of others.

As for the relic raid idea, its nice the problem is that i cant really multitask and run things at the same time, hense normally ill stand somewhere stealthed and just try and coordiate things.
I need to be where the action/siege is or i dont get the info so cant really roam at same time.
Doesnt seem to be anyone else organising stuff at the moment.

Running as two groups sounds like a good plan however our alliance has lost 50% of its people so i doubt we could get more people out.
Also the fact that i want to have fun without having to lead a zerg, i do that on RR's but there seems to be a lack of interest in people organising stuff in NF or making /bg
Tried to do the tower take route but before we even got the door of an unclaimed keep down we had a FG of dragonknights hitting us.
Might be because we were in alb, might have to try mid as well and see if they get involved.

Not sure whats going to happen on the 'adding' issue, suppose it depends on what happens, got sandwiched last night with mids and albs will probably settle for joining in if it looks like hibs are loosing or its alb-mids, as i said ive no idea till it happens, all depends on the situation.

Think the main issue is getting the group to practice and work together but this will take time, just hope that they dont get so disheartened by the constant wipes that they dont want to play.

 

[Dorimor1]

Please keep the posts coming AoD, it is highly amusing to see you whine about that we attacked you after not adding on your fights. As if you guys would not have done the same thing.

Earlier Uberlama claimed me and Gamah always fired up threads like this with accusations and add whine. Seems to me that you are the ones bitching and crying out now?

Oh, and you ought to make a list of when it is okey to attack you. Because obviously there are various rules to be followed when engaging your grp.

Well you and Gamah are just whiny little shits who always stur things up, about 95% of the FH population know that

 

[Bracken]

then be steamrolled as you are branded as a "adding" group
nice advise.....

It ain't what you do, it's how much IRC cockstroking you do that counts. And besides, every f*cker and his dog adds when they feel like it - the only difference is the excuse they use when they do it. There are phases when some groups play the non-adding game, but it's selective, situational and mood based (which in the average l33t kid can swing like a donkey's dick). So in short, I'd say Flim got it spot on

 

[Coldbeard]

Well you and Gamah are just whiny little shits who always stur things up, about 95% of the FH population know that

Thanks, you are not so bad yourself

 

[SkarIronfist]

Aran,

Vent, vent and finally vent.

To be honest most of the time you will be scratching around with the turkeys, but as you guys get better, there will be times when you are soaring with the eagles and thats the nice time.

If you look at original SC group, that baldy kraben, xenja, maronan created. They started at RR1 and just worked there way up, 3 nights a week upto RR6+ and beyond. It can be done.