after 3 years albs at last balanced....

[Vasconcelos]

/agree tbh same in mid thou /AS getting more and more active telling rvr info but still its far from a organized BG or CG for emainers where u can just /C fg alb here and there ..and all grps head for the position..

there is difference

Been there, saw that. Mid emain /cg works very similar to alb ones, with lots of info from stealthers.

 

[Arnor]

Ye Except all mids had to do was pl that toon and sort a temp out that was piss easy to do. Now you have to toa the shit out your charc and you said your self it takes longer to lvl up.

Also would you shut the fuck up saying that all who play alb must be clueless etc. You look like a fool saying something like that, I mean do you honestly believe that when a 'skilled' player was picking his realm thought hmmm nah albion doesnt feel uber enough, hib and mid sound better I think. The fact that you think that albs are clue-less just serves to show how clueless you really are your self. Oh and besides those in Glass house's shouldnt throw stones, espically if the 'stone' Thrower is a zerker or a chanter *cough*

To the Thread at hand? That group setup was doing months and months ago. It just never shined because there simply wasnt many spirit caba's or body sorc's about and few mind sorc's 2. Also without Toa it doesnt really become so Ace and as somebody said already everybody < alb, mid , hib> thought you really did need a minstrel and with an RA like SoS nobody dared leave them out.

clueless is not uncompatible with skilled fyi, I have never said the contrary, and always claimed that the number of players with more then average skill is prolly about the same in the realms, why would it not be? (except for Glottis being like an antimagnet for intelligence&skills)

and please bitch, whining about my zerker, started 1 day after release and has been my main _ever_ since till about a month prior to zerkernerf announcement and has always had cap quick, then i rolled a _chanter_ (good solo class) with some friends in hib, play him to 50 and rr3, then come back to mid 1.62 as zerknerf hits, struggle there until i see how piss fucking easy mid was, and roll my fotm druid on hib. g-o-d im sick of telling this story.

so lets see here. You first QQ that we didnt find the perfect setup for you, then you QQ that WE didnt say that you should lose the minstrel in the group, and that it never shone because of too few sorcs/cabbies.
Let me take you back, a long while back, when mids was always whining that mezz lasted forever, pb hurt like hell, and theurgs were dmg-gods. What did hibs/albs say? "Spec AUG with your healers" and what did we say? "noone specs aug, its gimped" then, we actually tried, and now we have arguably the best backbone a group can have. How did it start? ppl got too tired of getting raped by mezz, dd and pb, so they fucking specced/rolled aughealers themselves. Moral of the story, drop your chains and start something yourself, it will NEVER get better if you sit on your ass crying that we lack this and that. Just fucking do it

But i guess you, filip and aussie will just shut your faces and go back to chanting how gimped alb is and how uberskilled they are and how fotmnoobkids we hibs/mids are.
oh aussie got mighty sore since he couldnt claim to be the inventor of a group that actually works and keeps lashing out that we never took his hand and showed him to the right door, and filip&glottis (sorry filip) is still stuck on the same old record "alb is gimped, you are noobs", so even though your groupsetups might have changed, and your fotm rerollers have started yet another threadmill. You, the core still havent. Guess its true that you can take the kid out of the farm, but you cant take the farm out of the kid(or sumt like that)
Have nice lives, keep taking pride in being the underdogs and aussie, keep up teh funnay, youll find it again someday.

 

[gia]

I know the story m8, just look at wot ur own realm m8s do, coz the same old works aswell every nite with hibs, u see TD inc amg, 10secs l8r randoms, 10sec l8r high rr grp, followed by TdMM etc....

Welcome to Excalibur dude

Read my post then, I said NOT amg, of course you get adds at amg, nothing much you can do about that in ANY realm. But the way albs do it systematically is different... every single time we fight albs _anywhere_ in emain we know that if there are any other alb groups out, or even soloers, they are on their way to that spot. So on average we have about 60 seconds to kill an alb group before we get adds... and that is kind of hard when they sos+bof2x you know.

Welcome to the alb CG dude

 

[Hotrats]

Trouble is Arnor the group isn't actually balanced vs a decent mid/hib group even though some here claim it to be, at least not yet... like I already said come NF when hibs lose GP and all peeps get purge on 5 min timer, and MoC up more often (even if it does less damage) this group will really own (although I would still take a friar instead of one of the mages!)

The setup is indeed not bad..far from perfect tough.

We all saw how they play from the movies also..i dont c why brag about this..

That grp plays 6+hours a day together....hell stt was in emain non stop from 12:00 last week..not hard to make that kind of rps..

They die like a butterfly if they loose mezz..which is kinda like all the time with a decent bard.

Nothing special, only 1-2 good players there (stt and isti whoever he is), rest are just leeching off them..

Cud be played so much better...

Credits to stt tough..500k/week is a nice achievement =) (now go out to the sun m8)

If only albs had GP on clerics, then this group certainly wouldn't die like a butterfly to mezz, imagine all 6 pets, all mezz immune, flying at your support. As it is though I agree, if they get the jump and the enemy are slow to counter interupt they can pwn and pwn fast, although they would really struggle vs a tank group with only 1 support caster (NP's group in Soru's vid (1 warr 1 zerk 1 sava 1 SM), Garba's group (1 hero 2 bm's 1 eld) etc).

 

[Vasconcelos]

Read my post then, I said NOT amg, of course you get adds at amg, nothing much you can do about that in ANY realm. But the way albs do it systematically is different... every single time we fight albs _anywhere_ in emain we know that if there are any other alb groups out, or even soloers, they are on their way to that spot. So on average we have about 60 seconds to kill an alb group before we get adds... and that is kind of hard when they sos+bof2x you know.

Welcome to the alb CG dude

Damnit i knew you was gonna take amg literally.
Same works in mill, dcx, levi ridge n mmg. And if you go bolg area at prime time n find a hib grp u gotta be fast rgrping and leaving (if u have won) or 40secs l8r u got another fgh which has been reported

 

[Arnor]

Trouble is Arnor the group isn't actually balanced vs a decent mid/hib group even though some here claim it to be, at least not yet... like I already said come NF when hibs lose GP and all peeps get purge on 5 min timer, and MoC up more often (even if it does less damage) this group will really own (although I would still take a friar instead of one of the mages!

now, you might have one healer less in your setup, then i did in me&kalbas rm debuff groups, but we did fucking well, and it wasnt GP that fucked it up, that was baod.

)If only albs had GP on clerics, then this group certainly wouldn't die like a butterfly to mezz, imagine all 6 pets, all mezz immune, flying at your support. As it is though I agree, if they get the jump and the enemy are slow to counter interupt they can pwn and pwn fast, although they would really struggle vs a tank group with only 1 support caster (NP's group in Soru's vid (1 warr 1 zerk 1 sava 1 SM), Garba's group (1 hero 2 bm's 1 eld) etc).

you _gotta_ be fucking kidding me, yesplz lets give cleric EVERYTHING. (oh sorry to ruin your plan, but you wanted mincers to have everything too, how will this work? oh nm, just give em both everything, k?)
some things you dont have, some things you have, thats the way of life. While we had 3 demezzers(only one of which was any good most of the time) we neither had bof(hello melee, ill just die now) or gp(we win mezz, no you win mezz), we did have insta's and 3 healers and a shammy as advantage.
*shrug* shits different, i have no problem believing that a wellplayed debuffgroup (yes with one tank) can do one hell of damage vs even a good group. Our group was living proof the few nights we played.(ask vgn, la or tb)we lost alot, but holy fuck we could win some too

 

[Hotrats]

now, you might have one healer less in your setup, then i did in me&kalbas rm debuff groups, but we did fucking well, and it wasnt GP that fucked it up, that was baod.





you _gotta_ be fucking kidding me, yesplz lets give cleric EVERYTHING. (oh sorry to ruin your plan, but you wanted mincers to have everything too, how will this work? oh nm, just give em both everything, k?)
some things you dont have, some things you have, thats the way of life. While we had 3 demezzers(only one of which was any good most of the time) we neither had bof(hello melee, ill just die now) or gp(we win mezz, no you win mezz), we did have insta's and 3 healers and a shammy as advantage.
*shrug* shits different, i have no problem believing that a wellplayed debuffgroup (yes with one tank) can do one hell of damage vs even a good group. Our group was living proof the few nights we played.(ask vgn, la or tb)we lost alot, but holy fuck we could win some too

How has how well you did in your debuff groups come into this? I was talking purely about the 3caba/3sorc group.

And now whats this about clerics, they are by far the worst of the three primary healing classes. All I'm saying is if they had GP (instead of BoF of course) then alb mage groups like this would really own even now before NF. This caba/sorc setup not even using a minstrel so I dunno where thats coming from either....

 

[laand]

Trouble is Arnor the group isn't actually balanced vs a decent mid/hib group even though some here claim it to be, at least not yet... like I already said come NF when hibs lose GP and all peeps get purge on 5 min timer, and MoC up more often (even if it does less damage) this group will really own (although I would still take a friar instead of one of the mages!)If only albs had GP on clerics, then this group certainly wouldn't die like a butterfly to mezz, imagine all 6 pets, all mezz immune, flying at your support. As it is though I agree, if they get the jump and the enemy are slow to counter interupt they can pwn and pwn fast, although they would really struggle vs a tank group with only 1 support caster (NP's group in Soru's vid (1 warr 1 zerk 1 sava 1 SM), Garba's group (1 hero 2 bm's 1 eld) etc).

If healers had GP then mid would do v well. Most good mid groups run with 3 healers. (Pac/mend, aug/mend and mend/pac)

Kudos to the albs for finally working out something that works. I couldn't care less about who "invented" the group setup, but it works, and im happy for you. Just means we are going to need to adapt our play style a bit in order to beat this type of group.

Well done Stt.

 

[Ceryseth]

Couldnt even read the last page of this thread
Why does everything on this forum that could be creative like helping us improve this setup turn into a whine about everything posible and only saying negative things the whole time...gets kinda depresive
Whats the point of saying that we zerg or add on fights when we try to run fg vs fg whole time, yeah we did run in 2fgs only once that i remember and its because we got sick of getting ran over by the usually 2-3fg roaming hibs but was for like 2 fights and then broke up.
This setup does need some improving because we seem to loose on hill fights due to isntamezz and tanks not having to run much of a distance towards u, but on open land we seem to do quite well except high rr tank groups which we dont have much to do against an rr10 assist train that cant be CCed.

 

[vintervargen]

sigh why i bother..guys like you and vinter (who in the hell is that dude anyway) are too much too l33t to speak back too.

S.

sigs r so hard to read ;//

 

[Garbannoch]

can only comment from the POV of the groups I have played in (bard, warden, 2 druid, tank, tank, mage, tank/mage)

the group can be dangerous when the following things happen:
a) you lose mez and GP/purge is down
b) support fails to interrupt enemy casters (1 good nature druid usually nullifies the group)
c) your group is mage heavy and they manage to quickly kill your mages

It's a perfect zerg leech group but for fg vs fg fights there are better options (like getting a banelord or a friar - believe it or not it helps if your casters dont get 2-shot by hib and mid mages)

Many hibs have reacted already and adapted their setups to counter the mage heavy alb groups (yes this is not the only such group - about 50% of the albs in emain are either sorcs, cabas, wizards or theurgs). A hib group with 1 mage (imo light eld or warlord light menta with STT) and 3 tanks will win against that group in 9 out of 10 cases.

Would be interesting how mid groups perform against such kind of groups but I doubt a decent mid group will have any problems (mid assist train with 3 tanks can easily insta kill mages even with bof up and a dd caster like darkness runie or darkness SM can kill mages almost like light elds or mentas (same dmg type but no relic bonus ofc)).

Havent watched the movie so no comment on that. Anyway it's good to see a regular alb group out.

 

[Vindicator]

and please bitch, whining about my zerker, started 1 day after release and has been my main _ever_ since till about a month prior to zerkernerf announcement and has always had cap quick, then i rolled a _chanter_ (good solo class) with some friends in hib, play him to 50 and rr3, then come back to mid 1.62 as zerknerf hits, struggle there until i see how piss fucking easy mid was, and roll my fotm druid on hib. g-o-d im sick of telling this story.

I neither Asked Nor Care. Go tell your mother for all I care about the reason's why you did this or that. I just really cant stand arse bandits mouthing off about how stupid 'albs' are and what not. Fucking Realm Bigot

so lets see here. You first QQ that we didnt find the perfect setup for you, then you QQ that WE didnt say that you should lose the minstrel in the group, and that it never shone because of too few sorcs/cabbies.
Let me take you back, a long while back, when mids was always whining that mezz lasted forever, pb hurt like hell, and theurgs were dmg-gods. What did hibs/albs say? "Spec AUG with your healers" and what did we say? "noone specs aug, its gimped" then, we actually tried, and now we have arguably the best backbone a group can have. How did it start? ppl got too tired of getting raped by mezz, dd and pb, so they fucking specced/rolled aughealers themselves. Moral of the story, drop your chains and start something yourself, it will NEVER get better if you sit on your ass crying that we lack this and that. Just fucking do it

Firstly I never QQ'd about shit. It's a game I dont waste my time QQ'ing over things it in or about it. What is all this 'we' business and 'you' <plural>. YOU didnt come up with any of that stuff so dont try take credit. 'You' Just happened to be there at the time and used what others had discovered for your self's, like whine on american boards about what class's were uber/ good etc. < Cus Dem Us guys know so much > And what the .... Theurgs uber dmg dealers. Sure they have a Spirit DD but I'd hardly call it Godly . I should know I played 1. Oh and the Moral of your Story is the point of the thread you numb nuts yet your still here whining about albs.

But i guess you, filip and aussie will just shut your faces and go back to chanting how gimped alb is and how uberskilled they are and how fotmnoobkids we hibs/mids are.
oh aussie got mighty sore since he couldnt claim to be the inventor of a group that actually works and keeps lashing out that we never took his hand and showed him to the right door, and filip&glottis (sorry filip) is still stuck on the same old record "alb is gimped, you are noobs", so even though your groupsetups might have changed, and your fotm rerollers have started yet another threadmill. You, the core still havent. Guess its true that you can take the kid out of the farm, but you cant take the farm out of the kid(or sumt like that)
Have nice lives, keep taking pride in being the underdogs and aussie, keep up teh funnay, youll find it again someday.

I dont think anybody with the exception of Glottis has said that albs are Uberskilled but I have seen countless times hibs/mids saying how much better they are than albs and how skilled they are ye ;>. As for groupsetup's, ye the majority may not have changed but thats because it only involves 3 class's and also the majority of albs arent Serious RvR'ers, lots of pve and roleplayers etc, while mid and hib have a more RvR orientated people I would wager in % towards there total population. Why is this hmm ? because an RvR Orientated Person will research a class and realm before joining it so he is the best possible position to win and hib and mid come before alb I think ppl will agree ;>.

Oh and in response to your 'saying'. "Everyone is ignorant only on different subjects" -Will Rogers

 

[Alme]

wh0r0x?!?!?

 

[rvn]

mr 21% spirit resist does :<

 

[Stallion]

can only comment from the POV of the groups I have played in (bard, warden, 2 druid, tank, tank, mage, tank/mage)

the group can be dangerous when the following things happen:
a) you lose mez and GP/purge is down
b) support fails to interrupt enemy casters (1 good nature druid usually nullifies the group)
c) your group is mage heavy and they manage to quickly kill your mages

It's a perfect zerg leech group but for fg vs fg fights there are better options (like getting a banelord or a friar - believe it or not it helps if your casters dont get 2-shot by hib and mid mages)

Many hibs have reacted already and adapted their setups to counter the mage heavy alb groups (yes this is not the only such group - about 50% of the albs in emain are either sorcs, cabas, wizards or theurgs). A hib group with 1 mage (imo light eld or warlord light menta with STT) and 3 tanks will win against that group in 9 out of 10 cases.

Would be interesting how mid groups perform against such kind of groups but I doubt a decent mid group will have any problems (mid assist train with 3 tanks can easily insta kill mages even with bof up and a dd caster like darkness runie or darkness SM can kill mages almost like light elds or mentas (same dmg type but no relic bonus ofc)).

Havent watched the movie so no comment on that. Anyway it's good to see a regular alb group out.

amen

 

[flex]

that druid interrupt makes absolutely no sense tho. Why would 1 druid be able to interrupt 8 chars who all have aoe interrupts, but those 8 chars with 6 pets not being able to interrupt the hib group ?

 

[Marc]

lol@everyman and his dog saying they invented debuff groups. Im sure Cicyla was the first to respec spirit followed by Cerdin/Tilda. I remember playin in debuff groups about a year ago with Tilda, Cerdin, Fixx, Sollers and somemore of the FC guild. Ok wasnt the 3 cabba, 3 sorc set up, was normally mincer, 2 clerics, 2 cabbas, mind sorc, 2 body sorcs but worked well none the less. The funniest thing is seeing people running in them now who laughed at Fixx when he was trying to gather people for these debuff groups.

 

[katt!]

hib should run a bard,drood,drood,eld,4x chanter group :x

or maybe skip 1-2 druids for maximum zergleeching capabilities.

 

[serious]

sigs r so hard to read ;//

well the question still stands..who the hell are you?
i only know you from your FH trolling..dont see much of you in-game

S.

 

[Vodkafairy]

well the most annoying thing for albs is that they have to pass amg which is pretty much perma camped by whatever realm and people just keep coming from atk

for a fg to actually pass amg and not pick up any adds is pretty hard at primetime :x

that said, running 2 fg when you get zerged is bollocks. it proves you care more about rps than fg vs fg so you really shouldn't whine about other realms random guys adding on each other.. that is daily business for all realms, they won't read fh and even if they did, they wouldn't care because it's their way of playing. you can whine about high rr groups running 1 fg +, but that rarely happens on all 3 sides

 

[Lethul]

well the question still stands..who the hell are you?
i only know you from your FH trolling..dont see much of you in-game

S.

he is a druid, thats why maybe?

 

[Divinia]

there isn't a single muppet who suggested the groupsetup in the "alb setup thread" from this caba/sorc group.
so why don't you just drop the "we knew it, its just that albs suck" comments xD

"lets laugh at the people we need to ask how we should do our groups!"

 

[Aussie]

"lets pretend we know it better then albs"

 

[Angara]

"lets pretend we know it better then albs"

Happy now Vodka?

 

[Vodkafairy]

albs

haha, such patriot

 

[Flimgoblin]

well the most annoying thing for albs is that they have to pass amg which is pretty much perma camped by whatever realm and people just keep coming from atk

for a fg to actually pass amg and not pick up any adds is pretty hard at primetime :x

that said, running 2 fg when you get zerged is bollocks. it proves you care more about rps than fg vs fg so you really shouldn't whine about other realms random guys adding on each other.. that is daily business for all realms, they won't read fh and even if they did, they wouldn't care because it's their way of playing. you can whine about high rr groups running 1 fg +, but that rarely happens on all 3 sides

nothing wrong with running 2fg if you take the fancy to it - just if you then come on FH posting about "omg some other arses were running 2fg when we were only 1fg and l33t!!!!!" and whining it makes you a monstrous hypocrit.

Though we've had no guilds doing that on here at all lately... oh no...

(edit: that's not aimed at VF btw... just re-read it and it looked like it could have been)

 

[Venomic]

gotta laugh..

This is a game, how can u seriously whine this much.
I agree its annoying to get rolled by more than a fg if u are a fg urself etc...
But i wouldnt really use my time crying in forums, do u guys expect ppl would say: we can see that we are wrong, we will stop running more than 1fg..!!?
Get over it, and take a break if it isnt fun, fresh air is healthy for most ppl..

 

[Dorin]

easy to counter cg... dont join it. lessens zerg

problems with alb zerg is not the unbalanced 3fg of warders. problem is when u are fighting a decent alb grp or 2fg not so decent ones and You are hit by rr7-rr11 caster x5 adding on you midfight, gives 0% chance to win... and you can be anywhere, they will find you (not amg - mmg and some other zergy spots, anywhere in emain you can xpect to get 1fg, 2fg, 4fg on top of you very fast). Near mg xpect to get zerged, especially when some idiots camp room or mg, so fg cant rly pass it alone [yus not everyone is rr9 wtfpwn megahax...]
Btw its bs midgard got similar emain cg, since i started rvsr with my sm i never ever been in emain cg and not sure if its exists or not, if there is its most likely the random grps outthere, which is ok in my oppinion. Been in cg twice: once with my svg, it was pretoa, Cg for 2fg random grps with 2 stlong healers and 1 shammy... aye mucho zerg and another time clearing 3-4fg hibs camping odins amg with RedGuard [got bored after they wiped us 3 times, wanted payback :E]
Oh yes and i have been in alb emain cg too not so long ago... nm :Ä

 

[Loxleyhood]

Yeah, but even in a game there's such a thing as honour and virtue. Would you be happy if someone kicked you in the shins playing rugby? Or if you're opponant got two people to hold you down while playing tennis?

 

[Venomic]

I can see ur point, But does any1 here even expect this will ever stop from happening ?
soon this game is all about bringing the biggest zerg..
U might aswell just live with it
every1 will be too greedy for rps