Account Hacker's

[pudzy]

These are becomming more and more frequent, and yesterday the 2nd of my guildie's (Helium lvl 50 healer) fell victim to this. GA can never help they say.. ok I'm not a computer wiz I'm prolly wrong - they say they dont log ip's, arent they auto-logged when an ip connects to a server? If their not this aint hard to set up, and if this keeps happening their gona lose alot of customers, I for one will quit and wait for SWG if it happens to me..

GOA DO SOMETHING !

 

[_tindel_]

stopped using irc now, can guarantee most of the shit happens there, not very easy to trace down either since there are 300ish(?) people there too, dunno I may be wrong but daox + irc needs some nerf

 

[_tindel_]

wtf pudz you made two threads?

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by pudzy
These are becomming more and more frequent, and yesterday the 2nd of my guildie's (Helium lvl 50 healer) fell victim to this. GA can never help they say.. ok I'm not a computer wiz I'm prolly wrong - they say they dont log ip's, arent they auto-logged when an ip connects to a server? If their not this aint hard to set up, and if this keeps happening their gona lose alot of customers, I for one will quit and wait for SWG if it happens to me..

GOA DO SOMETHING !

GOA knows EVERYTHING that happens on an account as far as I know, so they do know the people who have logged to what account from what IP and they can also check if you have given items to someone etc, it's all logged.

 

[kemor]

Guys, if you think you got your account hacked in some way, do this:
- stop using IRC, ICQ, etc. That's like letting the door of your house open when you go to work...
- change your account password every week (or more if you feel like it). The process is simple and instant.
- stop giving your account access to friends/guildmates.
- be VERY careful when playing from a net cafe. Sometimes some clever guys install keyloggers and the like on the computers. Be sure to check with the owner of the net cafe and to talk to other users. Net cafes are really great to play games like DAOC, but there is a risk as well.
- be sure to have a firewall installed and an up-to-date virus checker. I'm sure some computer pro will give everyone some good links for cheap and nice ones (right? )
- if you have done everything above, then report in RightNow with time/date when YOU usually play and time/date when you think someone else played. However, be very careful if you report in Rightnow and shared your account. Once we start investigating, we WILL find out that you shared your account and you know our policy about that

...I for one will quit and wait for SWG if it happens to me

Just for the record, I don't see what that could change. By saying this, you are implying that we (GOA) are source of the problem. Sorry but we can't really check your computers and make them safe, that's simple fact. We give you tools to change your account information, we give you customer support so you can report the problems...the rest, is up to you.

 

[old.LandShark]

Hmm, must agree that you can't take no precautions and then blame GOA for losing your account.
I doubt in the utmost that people are hax0ring passwords off GOA's secure servers...
Thus, your fault, your problem. Sucks but you can't blame GOA...

 

[fatgit]

- stop using IRC, ICQ, etc. That's like letting the door of your house open when you go to work...

Sorry, but that's the biggest pile of BS I've seen in a long time.

 

[Lafala Arifel]

Try ZoneAlarm.

I don't use it myself but I hear it's meant to be pretty good as far as free firewalls go

 

[Eltharion]

yeah, now fix that RvR caueses EXP death if your just the slightest injured from a mob...

 

[old.Gromnir]

every creativ posting here

fatgit not everybody has a good experiance with irc networks, irc have tons of loopholes its just a matter of finding it.

Lets picture this:
You annonce on irc that you want to go and play DAoC /nick [name]|DAoC
Some people spend time in channels downloading and thus have autorecive/allow dcc on all the time.
Now if you wanted to hack/crack the guys account you send him a worm/virus to pick up the password or to make a backdoor in to the system. Now the guy have every thing he needs while you are off in middieland gaging greycons.

I know its a bit far out but it can be done.

But I take it that also a load of BS [insert large gif animation here]

Kemon is right on this issue protect your self online because other poeple are damn well not going to do it for you. Some poeple realy get a kick out of cracking and hacking thier way into other peoples lifes, so use protections [insert dumb ad for a firewall here]

flame flame GOA falme falme my game server provider, flame flame for not playing the us version, flame flame. ect ect.

 

[pudzy]

Sorry if ya think I'm blaming you for the hacking of accounts, I'm just upset nothings done about it :/

 

[fatgit]

Originally posted by old.Gromnir
every creativ posting here

fatgit not everybody has a good experiance with irc networks, irc have tons of loopholes its just a matter of finding it.

Lets picture this:
You annonce on irc that you want to go and play DAoC /nick [name]|DAoC
Some people spend time in channels downloading and thus have autorecive/allow dcc on all the time.
Now if you wanted to hack/crack the guys account you send him a worm/virus to pick up the password or to make a backdoor in to the system. Now the guy have every thing he needs while you are off in middieland gaging greycons.

I know its a bit far out but it can be done.

But I take it that also a load of BS [insert large gif animation here]

Kemon is right on this issue protect your self online because other poeple are damn well not going to do it for you. Some poeple realy get a kick out of cracking and hacking thier way into other peoples lifes, so use protections [insert dumb ad for a firewall here]

flame flame GOA falme falme my game server provider, flame flame for not playing the us version, flame flame. ect ect.

Sorry, but saying IRC is like leaving your house unlocked as you go out is total BS. It has NOTHING to do with IRC or ICQ, and everything to do with people connecting to the INTERNET without an adequate firewall.

You could say the same as "Dont use email, as we send your account details via email, and someone could email you a worm that sends your account email to them", or "Dont drive a car, someone might hijack it"

Trying to blame a medium such as IRC/ICQ is about as uninformed as you can get. Most hacking attempts are made via portscanning, not through IRC etc, and trying to shift the blame to IRC users is way out of order.

If Kemor wants to spout crap, then I reserve the right to ridicule it

 

[Jenna.]

I dont see why youre whining that he suggest people to stop using IRC?

Its not like IRC makes your computer safter, is it?

 

[Psy|:m00:]

Kemor probably mentioned it because that's how kr0n got hold of brannors ip to portscan/hack/etc, saying it's like leaving the door to your house open was a little ott, but it makes a good starting point if you see someone you don't like...

 

[fatgit]

"If you use ICQ or IRC, then you should get a good firewall. A good free one here....." is a perfectly reasonable reply

"stop using IRC, ICQ, etc" is not going to stop you getting hacked etc.

You dont stop using electricity because some guy once got electricuted, you simply take precautions.

 

[Ragnarok1978]

Hmm,

People say account hacking happends more and more, but somewhere along the road most of the start admitting saving their information on the harddrive, handingout information to friends and such.

If pure hacking was happening alot, and it was due to some error in the Mythic/GOA DAoC software I am pretty sure more would be done about it. As it is now, and as stated earlier, most of the times people aren't really hacked, but just claim it eventho it was them who had been uncarefull.

GOA have chosen to keep any hacking incidents as quiet and private as possible, the ones who go abput screaming about being hacked are the users who somehow seem to thing that will help their situation more, when it just might do the opposite.

Ofcourse most people just jump the easy route and try to flame or "I told you so" anyone from GOA who have the guts to post here and haven't been scared away yet.

Ofcourse I do find it rather sad, that it is so hard for Mythic/GOA to restore any hacked chars to what they once were for those who were hacked for real. I bet most would prefer to have a /charcopy from a week-old backup than just get some artificially bumed-to-50 char as replacement.

 

[old.neenee]

Originally posted by fatgit
Trying to blame a medium such as IRC/ICQ is about as uninformed as you can get. Most hacking attempts are made via portscanning, not through IRC etc, and trying to shift the blame to IRC users is way out of order.

have u spent most of IRC career on QNET? oO~

via portscanning yes, but on home users? hehe

95% of the ppl i know scan for nix/sun/solaris ya, the amount of homeuser pcs user to user ( so speak other than user to some .kr sun box ) all happens on irc, just go Unet, cnet just to name a few. it all happens on irc mate, just you dont know about it until it happens to you..

 

[old.Gromnir]

Originally posted by fatgit


Trying to blame a medium such as IRC/ICQ is about as uninformed as you can get. Most hacking attempts are made via portscanning, not through IRC etc, and trying to shift the blame to IRC users is way out of order.

We think alike but type it in diffrent ways. I'm well wear that portscanning is the most common type of hacking/cracking used [displays the entry log for his ftp server and points at the top 5 to him unknown ips trying to assecs the server]

But through IRC, ICQ people display themself publicly while playing daoc. If you want to hack a daoc account you might wanna know in what aera and range that you should scanne first.
You could ofcoures just send out a scanne but damn if i'd read through that log file.

Connecting to the internet or to your mail servers dosent display your self in quite the same way as on a "local" network (local as in qnet, etg, undernet, efnet ect. ect. - im still talking about Wan and not Lans) Every time you connect to fx. quacknet the home of Cs'ers, quakers, lamers, n00bs, ... oh and daoc'ers there is a chance that some lame ass 12 year old script kiddy is fooling around with a toy buildt for someone else. You'll ge the same if you connect to undernet efnet or what ever floats your boat.


And now something for the people thinking Hacking is bad!!!! To be a hacker is nothing more then being a skilled programmer, to scan a port and crack a password is something a tad diffrent you still need to break the password, by using a program made by some one else or by yourself or by typing in randomly untill you hit the right password.
Try reading these links and help defend the good word hacker from being missused by the public.
http://www.joabj.com/stories/hacker.html <-- fine little article
http://www.techiwarehouse.com/Articles/2002-03-04.html <-- okay but not great.
http://www.eeicommunications.com/eye/utw/96may.html <-- okay page bout the topic.

And last but not least.
To use your computer to ruin, destroy, mingle, tab into, fool around with other poeples hardware and or software is a load of bull. So who ever think they are 1337 |-|4x0r5 go rethink your life and let other poeple be.

 

[Blood]

By going on IRC or ICQ, most people give out crucial information in the first step to hacking them. Such as IP, ISP, and country of origin, even down to local area you live in..

Sounds pretty innocent, but can be used to scan your pc for open shares, open services, backdoors, and several other vounrabilities. With skillfull social engineering your email address can be obtained with those informations. If there along your internet connection are vounrable routers, they can be hacked to sniff all your traffic (some popular ADSL routers/modem have known vounrabilities, including some very popular Cisco ones, and often ISP's renting you them doesnt bother patching)

Remember ingame all people know about you is the name you call yourself...

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Lets top it off with a quote I got from a friend a long time ago:

"The question is not if you are paranoid or not, the questions is; are you paranoid enough?"

Happy January people, soon it will be to an end

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

Zone Alarm from Zone Labs is a very good firewall to use, its even worth getting the Pro version.

/em fluffles the firewall in his router

 

[)nick(]

I agree GOA shouldn't be held responsible for your PC's security. The problem is GOA's stance when an account is hacked, there are no rules outlined as far as I know about changing the subscription password. People are left in the dark once an account has been hacked with very little to no help at all from GOA.

 

[Desdecado-Seven]

My two pence worth

In the uk a LOT of DSL accounts use static IP, dialup's tend to pick from a range. If you are on DSL and you havent got a firewall you are the target of script kiddies. These scripts, portscans, worm's, key loggers, all-sorts are FREELY avialable for download on the NET. Most self install and tell you how to use em.

I ran my DSL without firewall for about 30 hours (cheers BT, needed it off to test something) during that time I had over 2500 unsolicited port requests from my pc. One guy in the states, tracert is handy, tried 50 different scripts...why, cos i was an IP address that his machine found.

What are they lookin for? God knows, any kind of password, information, entertainment, for some running these is a MMORPG in itself.

I strongly recommend that you should dump, the USB modem you got free (or next to free) and go for either a DSL Router with inbuilt hardware firewall. or Modem, with same. On top of that most anti-virus software now has an co-product personal firewall. Run that too.

These guys just dont want your DAOC password, they want whatever they can get...

IRC especially the quake forums, used to be well known for having bots which scanned them to pick up and zone out ip's for targets, dont really know if this is still current, i cant say as i frequent them.

Even now stuff gets past my hardware firewall, and bounced by software one, and i am running address translation...Its not a nice world any more out there, take care of yourselfs.

Oh, dont have a file called passwords-for-daoc.txt...if you do need to store it on your pc, encrypt it with a handy free cryptor from tu-cows.

 

[Sarnat]

Basically, it's safe to run IRC and ICQ if you keep your software up to date and don't run any services you don't need. Also, never run programs sent to you on IRC/ICQ/e-mail/whatver unless you scan them for viruses with a good virus scanner.

Firewall is not neccessarily needed. Besides, software firewalls are not 100% proof. Heck, not even hardware professional FWs are.

I've only had 1 virus on my computer ever (duh, scanner wasn't on automatic update) and it's never been hacked. It's been on like 3 years basically 24h/day. Never used ZoneAlarm longer than few hours because I found it pretty crap.

Many of the warnings etc firewalls give you are not actual attacks at your computer. A lot of computers broadcast stuff (ie. send to all computers on the LAN, for example) and those are often interpeted as attacks.

 

[kr0n]

Originally posted by fatgit


Sorry, but that's the biggest pile of BS I've seen in a long time.

Agree, tho there are known vulnerabilities in ICQ and in the most popular IRC client, mIRC. Running malicious scripts and so on.

I know it sounds harsh but people who are stupid or ignorant, get punished for it. Its not right nor good thing, its just the way it goes.

Leave the right doors open, that you could close with 1-2 clicks, you ask for being "hacked"...

Its quite easily to be compared into your own house. Leave door or window open in a bad neighbourhood, 95% sure you get robbed.

 

[ImLestat]

Originally posted by kr0n

Leave the right doors open, that you could close with 1-2 clicks, you ask for being "hacked"...

And with your kind of reasoning it's of course alright to "hack" then. But of course you already did that.

 

[kr0n]

Originally posted by old.ImLestat


And with your kind of reasoning it's of course alright to "hack" then. But of course you already did that.

ZZzzZZ

I wondered how fast this would come up... Faster than I expected.

Incase you didn't read the whole post, I'll repeat myself a bit.

Its not right nor good thing, its just the way it goes.

See? I already replied.

PS.

I was wondering about your sig when it says:
"Mythic named the game Dark age of CAMELOT, not JORDHEIM or TIR NA NOG. We damn well see what that means in gameterms."
Are you implying they LOVE Albion or they hate Albion? Cus if I read the name, it seems to say that "Dark age for Albs"... IMO.

 

[ulrikakaka]

its not just the way "it" goes at all... its the way you took it.

 

[kr0n]

Originally posted by ulrikakaka
its not just the way "it" goes at all... its the way you took it.

So you consider me as a pioneer in hacking? Great... You dont seem to understand one thing. Why would one want to do something the hard way, when you can get the same thing out with easier way? Get my point yet?

 

[ulrikakaka]

I get the point that your an idiot? do I get a cookie?