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adams901
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this isnt about game.net servers, it's the general feeling about base camping over the entire collection of BF1942 servers
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old.RedVenom
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Yeah, because if it was about game.net servers, the thread would never HAVE been started. HAW HAW.
edit: I'm sorry, please don't spank me
edit: I'm sorry, please don't spank me
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Cdr
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Originally posted by adams901
At the end of the day it is down to the community, if the majority want base camp free servers then that will be the direction we go in.
Maybe its time for a vote, would the 5 of you who play on the servers please cast your vote now
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Thought that kinda aimed it the way of the Game.net servers? Unless you were on about the whole BF community...?
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adams901
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I was on about each community including game.net.
Game, BY, and Battlefield1942 each have their own community and have to cater for them, if the BY community want servers where you cant base camp then I guess thats up to blue yonder to provide them.
It is up to Game.net to try and cater for what ever the game.net community wants (when it gets one )
Game, BY, and Battlefield1942 each have their own community and have to cater for them, if the BY community want servers where you cant base camp then I guess thats up to blue yonder to provide them.
It is up to Game.net to try and cater for what ever the game.net community wants (when it gets one
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Heh how about just turning the area in uncapturable enemy bases into the same sort of area you get when you go out of the boundaries of the map, eh? So if you stay there for long you start taking damage. It sounds good to me! Better than all this stupid adminning crap. Of course, you'd need to get the game makers to implement it which'll never happen so oh well.
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old.RedVenom
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Hey, what about people sitting outside uncapturable bases and spamming them with long range stuff?
Ahahaha, hahah... ha... ahhh. I'm sorry.
Ahahaha, hahah... ha... ahhh. I'm sorry.
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bids
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I'm with CDR - basecamping can spoil an otherwise well balanced game. It only takes one nobber in a Tiger on a repair bay to spoil the fun. Pinching their tanks is ok as long as you get out quick. Bombarding from around the nearest flag - ok too - imho.
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Flamin_Squirrel
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People who base camp in tanks anoy me so much that ive flown my plane into them... when they were on my team
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tris-
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camping with tanks, i dont like but who i am to say they are lame fucks? if thats how they play the game then who cares? if they cheat then its a different story. when i start to buy everyones games for them then i have the right to tell them how to play, untill then, shit happens.
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Cdr
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oh dear.
Why is cheating a different story? Why are they 'lame fucks' for spoiling the game by cheating - yet not for spawn camping?
As far as I'm concerned anything that detracts from the fun nature of the game is wrong - this includes cheating, spawn camping, TK'ing for vehicles.
You say that until you buy everyone their games you cant tell them how to play, yet in the same sentence you imply that cheating shouldnt be allowed and is bad. Surely you're telling people how to play?
Why is cheating a different story? Why are they 'lame fucks' for spoiling the game by cheating - yet not for spawn camping?
As far as I'm concerned anything that detracts from the fun nature of the game is wrong - this includes cheating, spawn camping, TK'ing for vehicles.
You say that until you buy everyone their games you cant tell them how to play, yet in the same sentence you imply that cheating shouldnt be allowed and is bad. Surely you're telling people how to play?
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Scooba Da Bass
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Please explain the difference between a Medic inside a base shooting people and a sniper outside the base walls shooting people.
Whilst you are doing that please explain the difference between a tank parked outside the base walls launching shells in and the same tank on the other side of the wall "inside the base".
Trying to restrict such play is frankly retarded, and is pandering to people who don't play as a team, any semi decent team can clear anyone from their base regardless of their position or vehicle. The hardest was getting a tiger out of a hanger but even that was possible and now it's been removed I don't see the complaints.
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Every once in a while I wonder back into these forums and try and involve myself in a discussion.
Nice of Scooba to remind me why I don't hang about too long.
Nice of Scooba to remind me why I don't hang about too long.
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Scooba Da Bass
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Because people question you? Oh me oh my I'm so bad
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urz
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The Question
The Answers
I apologise for singling you out unfairly but voicing in an opinion is exactly what I asked for, being called a retard and a cunt, was not. Why do the majority of people on this forum feel the need to insult people in the vilest terms at every turn.
And you wonder why the server's are empty. I have a subscription for Game.net I wouldn't dream of trying to get a game going with people who uses that kind of diatribe!
The Answers
I apologise for singling you out unfairly but voicing in an opinion is exactly what I asked for, being called a retard and a cunt, was not. Why do the majority of people on this forum feel the need to insult people in the vilest terms at every turn.
And you wonder why the server's are empty. I have a subscription for Game.net I wouldn't dream of trying to get a game going with people who uses that kind of diatribe!
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Scooba Da Bass
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Re: Re: A question regarding Game Play ethics
Way to totally take my quote out of context! Way to totally ignore my question! Way to try and take some kind of moral high ground!
To be perfectly honest with the exception of organised clan matches the games I've had on BW/game.net have been far far far superior to any game of bf42 I've ever played anywhere else, Random ips, Blueyonder(where I was kicked for having a higher score than the admin, the reason? "u must be cheating"), Jolt and EAUK.
I gave you my opinion and you chose to take a single line totally out of context, you sound like a pedantic fool and I'm glad that I don't have the misfortune of playing on the servers you admin.
Way to totally take my quote out of context! Way to totally ignore my question! Way to try and take some kind of moral high ground!
To be perfectly honest with the exception of organised clan matches the games I've had on BW/game.net have been far far far superior to any game of bf42 I've ever played anywhere else, Random ips, Blueyonder(where I was kicked for having a higher score than the admin, the reason? "u must be cheating"), Jolt and EAUK.
I gave you my opinion and you chose to take a single line totally out of context, you sound like a pedantic fool and I'm glad that I don't have the misfortune of playing on the servers you admin.
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old.RedVenom
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My answer is still slightly more direct.
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This message was sponsered by a retard.
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This message was sponsered by a retard.
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throdgrain
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Urz I think you have over-reacted a bit there mate .
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urz
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Probably
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tris-
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because cheating isnt a valid way to play the game, EA didnt make it so you can cheat but they did make it so you can use tactics. that is a totally different thing, i agree you should play the game the way it was designed. using your examples, if EA didnt want you to spawn camp, theyd design it that way wouldnt they? you get negative pts for TKing.
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There's seems to be a difference of opinion about what's important in the game here, "the winning or the taking part" essentially. Fact is, on certain maps (e.g. Battleaxe), if you have the flags, then base camping is a pefectly valid tactic because if you do it right you will win the game. Frankly, whining about people base raping you when you spawn is a bit lame since your team shouldn't have lost all its flags in the first place should they?
I always take the view that base camping is a perfectly valid tactic if you've captured all the flags first. Even Berlin on DC, which is a stone bitch if you're playing as Coalition, sorry, but so what, if it was a real battle then keeping you bottled up would be the logical thing to do. Generally speaking I always try to play as Coalition on this map because its more of a challenge.
You certainly don't need fascist admins to deal with base camping. You've got a gun, use it and stop whining.
I always take the view that base camping is a perfectly valid tactic if you've captured all the flags first. Even Berlin on DC, which is a stone bitch if you're playing as Coalition, sorry, but so what, if it was a real battle then keeping you bottled up would be the logical thing to do. Generally speaking I always try to play as Coalition on this map because its more of a challenge.
You certainly don't need fascist admins to deal with base camping. You've got a gun, use it and stop whining.
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How exactly can you deal with it if you die as soon as you spawn in?
Yes, it maybe easier on one of the 'bigger' maps like El Al or Gazala, where the spawn area is quite large, but (taking your example) Battleaxe, there's only a few places you can spawn in. If the have planes bombing the runway, if they have all the tanks on the map (including your own, which from the main base is only 1 - Tiger or M10) how are you expected to get anywhere?
And if you do manage to get away, how are you expected to take that much firepower on by yourself? You pick AT to take care of the tanks, you get shot by a medic or infantry, you pick medic, you get blown to shit by a tank.
Oh what fun, and what skill it takes to kill spawning in soliders.
I personally wont go into an enemy base, certainly not in public games, as I know if the flags are defended then any half arsed attack they might put up can be dealt with. Plus it means they dont get pissed off and leave and you end up with a diminished opposition.
But the fact is - it isnt a real battle, and any references to it are wrong. Its a game, and as such should be fun. Being on the receiving end of mass base camping isnt fun.
The people that feel the need to sit in a tank on a repair bay do it because they cant get kills or a high enough score the normal way.
Yes, it maybe easier on one of the 'bigger' maps like El Al or Gazala, where the spawn area is quite large, but (taking your example) Battleaxe, there's only a few places you can spawn in. If the have planes bombing the runway, if they have all the tanks on the map (including your own, which from the main base is only 1 - Tiger or M10) how are you expected to get anywhere?
And if you do manage to get away, how are you expected to take that much firepower on by yourself? You pick AT to take care of the tanks, you get shot by a medic or infantry, you pick medic, you get blown to shit by a tank.
Oh what fun, and what skill it takes to kill spawning in soliders.
I personally wont go into an enemy base, certainly not in public games, as I know if the flags are defended then any half arsed attack they might put up can be dealt with. Plus it means they dont get pissed off and leave and you end up with a diminished opposition.
But the fact is - it isnt a real battle, and any references to it are wrong. Its a game, and as such should be fun. Being on the receiving end of mass base camping isnt fun.
The people that feel the need to sit in a tank on a repair bay do it because they cant get kills or a high enough score the normal way.
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Well, maybe if your team was any good, you wouldn't have lost all your flags?
If you're any good, you'll manage
You sneak. Basically, if a battle's turned into a base camp fest, if you can get away, you've got a good chance of capturing a flag, and its fun.
Well, actually, I'm not too proud to admit, it is fun - if you're not on the receiving end.
Good for you, if that's how you feel, fine, but that should be your decision, not an admins.
Cobblers. Its a game based on warfare, you use terrain, tactics and weapons to best effect, and the objective is to win. If the people on the receiving end leave, screw 'em. Personally, if I was on the receiving end I wouldn't quit, I'd try to get away and get my own back. That's the point isn't it?
The 'normal way' being your definition.
NB. I was playing DC on Gazala last night and people were playing your way - not going for the Iraqi base even though we had the flags. After about 5 minutes of sitting there doing nothing, I thought "sod this" and headed off to the main Iraqi base to get some action. What do I find? The base full of tossers waiting for planes! They deserved everything they got.
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Okay, where to start....
Why should you be forced to suffer base camping just because you're team may not be upto scratch? It doesnt give the decent players any time to get out and take some bases back. Spawn, die, spawn, die, spawn die.
Regardless of how good any one person is there is NO way he / she can take on an organised (or semi organised) team, particularly if you cant get access to armour or a vehicle.
And so, you capture one flag - will the rest of the team spawn there? No, they will continue to die at the spawn (mainly because the majority of people playing BF are stupid), and it'll only be a matter of minutes before you have 3 tanks and X amount of troops on you taking the flag back, and you're back to square one.
'Well, actually, I'm not too proud to admit, it is fun - if you're not on the receiving end.' Exactly, not on the receiving end - I'm sure the majority of people who used the hanger camping tactic would say the same - did this make it part of the game? Anything is fun if you're not on the receiving end.
I wont go into an enemy base, because I know that I can deal with any threat that comes out - if I have all the flags then I know by default the enemy are weak and disorganised, so any counter-attack is going to be done by people in 1s and 2s, and the odd tank thrown in for good measure.
Yes, its a game based on warfare, but its a GAME. Hence should be fun for all people involved. And a high majority of people feel that base camping is not fun.
Yes its my definiton of normal - its the definition that BlueYonder have adopted, and the definition that many players have.
The difference is, I have the patience to sit there and wait, so what if they weren't comming out - you had the flags, the counter was ticking down, you were winning.
What it comes down to is personal score - people want to get in there, to get some kills, to have their name up at the top. The best way to do that tho, is to let them take a flag - take it back and kill anyone there - you'll get a much better score taking flags than by killing (and your stats @ www.bfstats.com will be great).
Perhaps I'm taking too much of a clan type approach - take and defend the flags at all costs, thats how to win - I dunno.
Annnnnyways, there's my thoughts on it. I dont wanna 'discuss' this too much with the head bloke incase I find a horses head in my bed tonight
Why should you be forced to suffer base camping just because you're team may not be upto scratch? It doesnt give the decent players any time to get out and take some bases back. Spawn, die, spawn, die, spawn die.
Regardless of how good any one person is there is NO way he / she can take on an organised (or semi organised) team, particularly if you cant get access to armour or a vehicle.
And so, you capture one flag - will the rest of the team spawn there? No, they will continue to die at the spawn (mainly because the majority of people playing BF are stupid), and it'll only be a matter of minutes before you have 3 tanks and X amount of troops on you taking the flag back, and you're back to square one.
'Well, actually, I'm not too proud to admit, it is fun - if you're not on the receiving end.' Exactly, not on the receiving end - I'm sure the majority of people who used the hanger camping tactic would say the same - did this make it part of the game? Anything is fun if you're not on the receiving end.
I wont go into an enemy base, because I know that I can deal with any threat that comes out - if I have all the flags then I know by default the enemy are weak and disorganised, so any counter-attack is going to be done by people in 1s and 2s, and the odd tank thrown in for good measure.
Yes, its a game based on warfare, but its a GAME. Hence should be fun for all people involved. And a high majority of people feel that base camping is not fun.
Yes its my definiton of normal - its the definition that BlueYonder have adopted, and the definition that many players have.
The difference is, I have the patience to sit there and wait, so what if they weren't comming out - you had the flags, the counter was ticking down, you were winning.
What it comes down to is personal score - people want to get in there, to get some kills, to have their name up at the top. The best way to do that tho, is to let them take a flag - take it back and kill anyone there - you'll get a much better score taking flags than by killing (and your stats @ www.bfstats.com will be great).
Perhaps I'm taking too much of a clan type approach - take and defend the flags at all costs, thats how to win - I dunno.
Annnnnyways, there's my thoughts on it. I dont wanna 'discuss' this too much with the head bloke incase I find a horses head in my bed tonight
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Saved by the last comedy smiley, phew! You should've casually dropped in you slept with his wife, mistreated his pets, and YOU were the one who ruined his last game of BF by being on the side that was hanger camping.... (I would be more graphic, but this *is* an argument with the head suit. Even I have an element of self preservation amongst my brash humbugness.)
Only kidding, keepin' it real with my world solving smilies
Only kidding, keepin' it real with my world solving smilies
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thos stats are screwed says ive been in 11 battles even though ive played the game for 1-2 hours a day since release
says ive been in 11 battles even though ive played the game for 1-2 hours a day since release
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What they need to do is make all the bases capturable ala DoD and then i think youll see teamwork and also no spawncamping as you are just fighting over another flag
It doesnt bother me at all, just respawn with a rocketlauncher and cross your fingers
It doesnt bother me at all, just respawn with a rocketlauncher and cross your fingers
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ROFL I HIT SOMEONE WITH A ROCKET LAUNCHER OMG LOL!!
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ROFL I NEARLY HIT SOMEONE WITH A ROCKET LAUNCHER OMG LOL!!
easily entertained eh?
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ROFL I NEARLY HIT SOMEONE WITH A ROCKET LAUNCHER OMG LOL!!
easily entertained eh?