A question regarding Game Play ethics

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urz

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Over on the Battlefield1942.co.uk forums, there is a debate raging about the rights and wrongs of base camping.

Basically one chap is arguing that on most servers, entering the enemy uncap bases is a valid tactic, whereas the rest of the people are crying foul. We have some servers which are admined to the latter standard, and I think that BY are the same. What is the view of the people who play on the Game.net servers?
 
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adams901

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I think base camping is all part of the game, if your team has captured all the flags then it makes sense for you to advance on the enemy base and kill them before they can regroup. I don't agree with capturing the flags and then sitting back and waiting for the enemy to regroup, advance and capture them back.

If a team base camps when they don't own all the flags then all you need to do is spawn at one of the other flags and capture the rest while they are base camping.

The only time base camping ever annoyed me was when people used to drive their tanks into the hanger and then just sit there shooting, now EA have removed the repair feature in the hangers that isn't a problem anymore. Another annoying base camp is on berlin, where the iraqis run to your base and then spam it with mortars.

I don't agree with BY and their rules about base camping, I have been booted from a BY server many times simply because I happened to parachute into the enemy base after my plane was shot down (but then we all know that the BY admin are kick crazy).

I can just imagine Sadaam crying about base camping while the americans spammed his capital city with bombs.
 
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old.RedVenom

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If you can't defend your own base, you are probably the biggest cunt in the universe and don't deserve an opinion.

COWER IN THE FACE OF HELL, SCUM.
 
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Cdr

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Personally in public games it spoils the flow of the game.

Which ever way you look at it - whether you're on the receiving end or the one doing the base camping.

If youv'e got the all the flags, then defend them. I've seen it all too often one team gets the flags, then enters the nme base gets caught up with the 'fun' of killing people as they spawn in, and dont realise that some clever bugger on the other side is taking the flags back.

It takes no skill whatsoever to sit in a tank at an nme base (on a repair bay or not) and kill spawing in infantry. Any muppet can do it, and by coinicidence is usually the muppets that do.

I say let them out of the base, with their tanks and whatnot, and I'll kill them at the first flag - no need to enter the base, its just a pointless excercise in stopping the game.
 
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adams901

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just like to add one more thing...

Base camp or don't base camp it personally doesn't bother me, my view is that it's a valid tactic, just because I think it's valid it doesn't mean it should happen.

At the end of the day it is down to the community, if the majority want base camp free servers then that will be the direction we go in.

Maybe its time for a vote, would the 5 of you who play on the servers please cast your vote now ;).
 
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Cdr

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hehe, that muppet statement wasn't directed at you Adams, it was more at the 40 people that seem to populate a EA server when I'm on.

I have much more fun on the BY servers with the anti-camping policy than I ever do on EA.

Nothing worse than joining a game and immediately get killed because your team hasnt got the flags. And nothing you can do about it because everytime you spawn, you get killed - I can only do that a couple of times before I leave and join a different server.
 
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adams901

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I guess base camping can be ok if its done in a sensible way (by sensible I mean not having the whole team rush immediatly over to the enemy base to camp, not bothering to capture flags on the way).

I have noticed that on certain servers base camping attracts players who fail to realise that the game is a Team Play game.

//edit, also I would only ever base camp on a FF server, that way you cant just spam the enemy because you would end up being kicked for killing all your camping lamer team mates.
 
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old.RedVenom

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Originally posted by Cdr
hehe, that muppet statement wasn't directed at you...

Or the other bunch of retards who play the '"community" games, which consists of some ugly stealing a plane and straffing everyone who spawns at the enemy airfield. Continuously. Repeat.

That goes for ALL of you.

Its a community game to get people on the servers, and HAVE SOME FUN. Stop being such a bunch of retards about how many people you can kill before they've taken off.
 
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urz

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Might help if I contributed to the discussion I have started.

The admin policy for the server I admin on, is that the enemy uncap is out of bounds to all except bailing pilots, and then the pilot cannot fire any weapon. I would say that in some cases, such as where you hold all the other flags there perhaps an argument for it, but in practice, allowing people into enemy uncaps is smacktard heaven no matter how many flags are held, or more to the point usually, not held. On the whole it makes for better games, as cdr said.

We have a really aggressive admin policy too, which on the whole makes for enjoyable, teamplay based games.
 
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old.RedVenom

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Sorry, I think you missed out posting the server address, and the </pimp> tags...
 
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adams901

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Originally posted by urz
except bailing pilots, and then the pilot cannot fire any weapon.

I have to be honest and say I don't agree with that small detail, if i'm shot down over the enemy base I want to be able to defend myself and shoot back at the people who are trying to shoot me
 
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tris-

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base camping is part of the tactics. how else can you relay to your team about the amount of tanks etc coming out of it? or what about sniping the people on AA guns so the planes can come in, does that make you a naughty boy?

Originally posted by urz
teamplay based games.

but your not allowed to use tactics!
 
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old.RedVenom

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Originally posted by n3wbie
base camping is part of the tactics.

In clan games, yes. If you let someone in your base, you deserve it.

On publics? You're pushing the envelope a bit. Its hard enough trying to co-ordinate such a buch of dribbling morons without waiting for 15 planes, spawning and .. .. asjgklasgjipgmalsngakls. You get the idea.
 
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Cdr

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And how often do you get that type of teamwork on a EA server? Anyone who base camps in public games is only interested in one thing - personal score.

Yes you may get a sniper sniping the AA gunners, but he wont be thinking on the inbound friendly planes - he'll be thinking of that lovely gold medal at the end of the round.

Not once have I been on a server with totally random people who work as a team - be it by giving enemy movements, or by spotting for artillery. I'll give you an example - Omaha Beach - 5 snipers on the team, not one would give a spot for the ship - why? Because they were only interested in kills.

And I think you're missing the point - the odd sniper can be dealt with, the whole enemy team in tanks (and not just their tanks, yours aswell), camping inside the base killing you as you spawn in just spoils the game. Its a pointless exercise in how to make a game that is fun into something that is very tedious.
 
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adams901

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Ok so... we know that a whole team in tanks sitting in the enemy base is not fun for the enemy. We also know that for some people base camping (once all the flags are captured) is a viable tactic.

In an effort to keep both party's happy why hasn't anyone created a rule where you can enter an enemy base but only on foot, and your not allowed to use vehicles while in it.

Again I guess it is all down to what the community wants
 
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throdgrain

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BY are a load of wank, lets face it. If you've captured all the flags on a map, what else do you have to do but to advance on the enemy base ?
I recall the BY RtCW servers, to stop people using voice comms at the start of the game they deducted health if ,for example, as a medic you asked for ammo at spawn .However, if you dont ask for ammo the Lt. who give you the ammo doesnt get a point, so is unlikely to give you any ammo in the first place. Gayness.
 
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tris-

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on the servers ive played on, there has always been at least 5 people wanting to work together which at least gets someting done. if the game is small enough like 12 v 12 then everyone seems to work together.
 
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old.RedVenom

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GOLD STAR THREAD

Oooo, its that Friday Thread feeling.

And no, I've never seen anyone other than clan members work together on ANY public server. And then they are probably cheating*.


























* Cheating consists of anything thats not playing the game whilst locked in a dark room, with a blindfold on. This includes voice comm's on publics.

edit: YES I'M RETARDED. TWICE.
 
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Cdr

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For some people sitting in a tank in a hanger was a viable tactic - did this make it right to do? Did this make it fun for the people who were on the receiving end? Did it piss people off? Just because something is a 'viable tactic' doesnt mean it should be allowed. Some people might class TK'ing in order to get the plane as a viable tactic.

The fact of the matter is, not matter how you dress it up - base camping only spoils the fun of the game. It causes people to leave servers, and generally get pissed off at the game.

'ooooo look we've got all the flags, I'm in a tiger, I shall roll it onto a repair bay and get lots and lots of kills, then I can tell my mummy that I came top and she'll be soooooo pleased with me'

The aim of the game is to keep the flags - and you cant do this if you're all base camping - because as sure as eggs are eggs, one guy will slip your ever-so-tight net and start capping.

If we were to have a vote on it, then I would vote for the base camping not to be allowed.
 
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adams901

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dunno what I would vote, On one had I have had my fair share of keyboard bashing moments, where I have been so pissed off with spawn campers that i've wanted to throw my computer out the window. But on the other hand I have also had my fair share of winning games because the enemy doesn't do anything apart from spawn camp.

One thing you have to remember about spawn campers, the majority of them dont have a brain cell between them and will camp a main base even if it is empty and everyone is spawning on the other side of the map at a flag that could be captured.

I personally prefer to sit outside an enemy base in the hills and snipe them off one by one, im not actually in the base, infact I am quite a distance away from it but I can see everything that is going on inside it.... is that classed as spawn point camping as well?
 
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old.RedVenom

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Its classed as playing DC, which is several million times worse.
 
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Louster

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Get rid of uncapturable bases. Aggressive adminning is stupid. Fix the game so that adminning isn't needed. And just deal with idiots by not being an idiot yourself. It's a goddamn game.
 
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urz

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Sniping from outside of the base is allowed in our neck of the woods. It is just sitting in the base that ain't.
 
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Louster

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Any situation in which you end up having to make specific rules for specific sub-situations needs rethinking, seriously. It can end up being totally ridiculous and abstract.
 
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adams901

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I prefer simple servers with simple rules..

1) No Tk'ing
2) No acting like an idiot and blowing up tanks/planes just as your friendly player is about to get in.
 
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Louster

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What I mean is, there doesn't seem to be any real way of judging when a "base camping instance" is severe enough to be ruled off-limits. It turns into a gradient rather than binary problem or something. And the only response you have is binary - you either kick them or you don't. So you need to either come up with a sliding scale response, or you need to turn the problem into a binary one.
 
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old.RedVenom

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Hey, I'm not actually in your base: but I'm spamming it so thouroughly from outside that the chances you'll ever walk out alive are a million to one!

What can I say. You suck.
 
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Cdr

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Whats it matter anyways? Nobody plays on Game.net servers.
 

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