9/11 is the movie true or false?

[Girafmad]

me and joor where debating this in the rvr forum, mods closed the thread as it was the wrong place, now as long as it doesnt turn into pure flame, insults & politics we will be alowed to talk/rant about it here

the link:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change&pl=true
the closed thread: https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=193807&page=5

watch it and look at the facts

In reply to what you said joor: what facts? I dont see any facts in that movie that i could not have manifactured my self.
Most of the statements and quotes are without any proof to back them up, taken out of context or just outright lies.
Most of the footage is laughable its falsified.
The proof of the steel in the towers wouldnt melt unless the temp is above 3000 degrees is true, but steel starts becomes unstable at rougly 600 degrees (it starts to bend when preasurer is aplied to it, that is how smithing works forinstance)
Who apart from the "journalist" sais all the rocket fuel burned in the air?
there is just so many "loose ends" in that movie it doesnt add up...
it is scary how fast ppl become FBI agent Mulder when confronted with a conspiracy, but then again i might be one of "them"!!!!! trying to mislead you from the truth
so my end question is: is the movie a hoax or is it the real deal?

 

[Raven]

i wouldnt trust a movie made by americans dramatising one of the biggest things to happen against them in history, and so soon after the event, if they cant even tell the truth about world war 2 and viatnam they are not going to be telling the truth about this. all it will be about is how the attack on poor old america was un-provocked, with the odd woop, kick ass sir and maybe the odd shot of the monkey in a suit walking around the rubble saying how they will get revenge.

 

[Penlid]

I actually watched Loose Change 1 then watched 2 to find out that it was about the same with a few extra snippets.

I found a few things out that i didn't know before and a lot of questionable things which should be able to be asked to an official and be answered with the upmost respect towards american citizens.

The first thing is.. were both World Trade Centers part of a bigger operation, e.g bombs were placed inside 2 weeks before when the engineers where inside, and ALL security cameras from a certain number of floors up were disabled.

Second... Why did World Trade Center 7 collapse? Surely a little fire didn't cause it to collapse, and it is also a coincidance that it is home to Homeland security, the CIA and Secret Service and more....

Was the pentagon really hit by a jumbo jet? I don't think so, as the 5 frames released by the American Government don't even show a jumbo jet flying into the building, it is also a coincidance the same timer that the pentagon was bombed an American Fighter plane C-130 flew overhead also an unmarked white plane.

I think that the World Trade Center has bombs placed up high and low, so it could be demolished.

4 days before a multi billion $ insurance was placed on World Trade Center 1 and 2 and 7 specifically for acts of terrorism.

The 137 billion $ that was underneath World Trade Center 2 went missing later to be located 136.2 billion $ down under World Trade Center 6.

The head of security for American Airlines, WTC 1, 2 and 7 was the brother of George Bush.

The day before the attacks, Osama Bin Laden was actually in hospital recovering from an operation and was visited by men in suits (CIA?).

Flight 93 actually landed at an airport in Dallas or as the government say it was blasted to smitherines into fields in Pennsylvania?

It sets out a huge question of was America bombed by its Government so they could goto war over oil, or was it really Al Qaeda?

 

[Raven]

while i think americans are full of shit i dont believe they blew up their own buildings, though the war is over oil and nothing else, they have placed their own choice of leaders in these countries for years, supplied weapons to them, money, aid etc. then when things havent gone to their plan they have invaded.

 

[Penlid]

while i think americans are full of shit i dont believe they blew up their own buildings, though the war is over oil and nothing else, they have placed their own choice of leaders in these countries for years, supplied weapons to them, money, aid etc. then when things havent gone to their plan they have invaded.

Did u watch the vid? If not watch it and ask yourself the question. Did the Americans kill their own citizens and demolish buildings for a reason to start a war? My answer is, Yes they did. (My opinion)

 

[Raven]

yeah i have seen it before, still not convinced though, its just as easy to believe that than it is to believe the americans, i dont think we will ever know the truth.

 

[Penlid]

yeah i have seen it before, still not convinced though, its just as easy to believe that than it is to believe the americans, i dont think we will ever know the truth.

Lets get Jack Baeur onto Bush imo!

 

[Pirkel]

I believe most of what is portrayed in those movies ... if you watch all of them the picture becomes pretty clear.

HOWEVER.

I do think that those movies are just as bad as any other political propaganda... they skew and twist facts and drop them on you so that it has the most impact... just like "the goverment" does.

So I agree that something is wrong... Its just ashame that people don't respond to honest journalism anymore ... if it isn't spectacular and cut down to it's very basics it isn't interesting enough... zap

 

[Girafmad]

I actually watched Loose Change 1 then watched 2 to find out that it was about the same with a few extra snippets.

I found a few things out that i didn't know before and a lot of questionable things which should be able to be asked to an official and be answered with the upmost respect towards american citizens.

The first thing is.. were both World Trade Centers part of a bigger operation, e.g bombs were placed inside 2 weeks before when the engineers where inside, and ALL security cameras from a certain number of floors up were disabled.

first of all who placed those bombs? 2 weeks to place 10000 of presily timed charges? that will require alot of psycotic demolist that all want to cover it up afterwards.. thats just stupid to belive...
who besides the maker of the vid, claims there was bombs?

Second... Why did World Trade Center 7 collapse? Surely a little fire didn't cause it to collapse, and it is also a coincidance that it is home to Homeland security, the CIA and Secret Service and more....

why not?
it had a 500 ton plane smashed into the side & alot of plane fuel was inside the building burning at above 2000 degrees...

Was the pentagon really hit by a jumbo jet? I don't think so, as the 5 frames released by the American Government don't even show a jumbo jet flying into the building, it is also a coincidance the same timer that the pentagon was bombed an American Fighter plane C-130 flew overhead also an unmarked white plane.

i never saw that oficial vid, well atleast not from any officials...

I think that the World Trade Center has bombs placed up high and low, so it could be demolished.

4 days before a multi billion $ insurance was placed on World Trade Center 1 and 2 and 7 specifically for acts of terrorism.

The 137 billion $ that was underneath World Trade Center 2 went missing later to be located 136.2 billion $ down under World Trade Center 6.

The head of security for American Airlines, WTC 1, 2 and 7 was the brother of George Bush.

The day before the attacks, Osama Bin Laden was actually in hospital recovering from an operation and was visited by men in suits (CIA?).

Flight 93 actually landed at an airport in Dallas or as the government say it was blasted to smitherines into fields in Pennsylvania?

It sets out a huge question of was America bombed by its Government so they could goto war over oil, or was it really Al Qaeda?

all of that, pure speculation, i'll bet you alot of cash that there wasnt made a insurance a few days before...
ofcause you are welcome to prove me wrong.. but most likely you cant..

 

[Pirkel]

You are extremely far off the ball here Griafmad... almost every "point" you make I can shoot out of the water:

first of all who placed those bombs? 2 weeks to place 10000 of presily timed charges? that will require alot of psycotic demolist that all want to cover it up afterwards.. thats just stupid to belive...
who besides the maker of the vid, claims there was bombs?

10000? You accuse others of making points they can't proof... show me where you got that number from and you'll win this round.

why not?
it had a 500 ton plane smashed into the side & alot of plane fuel was inside the building burning at above 2000 degrees...

- Look at the actually damage that was done to the building before it collapsed ... there was one hole barely big enough to fit the tip of the plane in and there was NO signs of the wings/engines hitting it.
- All other planecrashes always had a LOT more visual planedebrees then this one... planes don't just dissapear.
- Jetfuel doesn't burn at 2000 degrees

i never saw that oficial vid, well atleast not from any officials...

It wasn't a vid it was a pressrelease with 5 pictures/frames from a security video. And it was official

all of that, pure speculation, i'll bet you alot of cash that there wasnt made a insurance a few days before...

You're right there the insurance was taken several months before 9/11.

ofcause you are welcome to prove me wrong.. but most likely you cant..

 

[Penlid]

No point in my replying here thanks Pirk!

 

[crispy]

Well tbh, doesnt seem like that there was a 747'er hitting pentagon.

I mean, where are the debris?

 

[Girafmad]

Well tbh, doesnt seem like that there was a 747'er hitting pentagon.

I mean, where are the debris?

that is the only thing that made me wonder in the movie, the rest of it is just not suported by anything, but i guess we will just have to take some halfbad fotage and some quickshots of some dokuments we cant read as proof for the rest, a few home made formulars for velosity and a flightprojekty made by an unknown author.. but hey aliens abducted jfk so what do i know

 

[Girafmad]

You're right there the insurance was taken several months before 9/11.

why doesnt the autoher of the movie let us take a closer look or at that peice of paper he sais is an insurance contract? with just a few lines highligted, maybe he wrote the ting him self?

 

[Elkie]

Right the fact is we dont know if its true or not the video represents some good evidence BUT you have to look at the other side of things b4 u make a dessicion on a video like this Who is this man who made the video? what are his motives for makeing the video? Has he got anything against the american goverment? theres so many things you can question with and against the video no matter how much evidence is put infront of us with these sort of videos in the end of the day we will never know the truth unles the american goverment admit that they actually done what is said in these so called " truth " video but as said before we will not know the truth.
There is no need for threads like these as we will never know what the truth is but... Like you said people say OMG i saw this video what ever it says is true well im sorry but you HAVE to look at the other side of things.

 

[Girafmad]

- Look at the actually damage that was done to the building before it collapsed ... there was one hole barely big enough to fit the tip of the plane in and there was NO signs of the wings/engines hitting it.
- All other planecrashes always had a LOT more visual planedebrees then this one... planes don't just dissapear.
- Jetfuel doesn't burn at 2000 degrees

call me stupid but i can see the the 747 fit perfectly into the hole in the building, jetfuel doent have to burn at 2000 degrees, a normal campfire i enough to make iron unstable enough to bend, and when it bends it cant support weight, and as for debree on the tower i would imagine it would be posible for it to imply crash inside the building with not much spilling outside...

 

[Girafmad]

You are extremely far off the ball here Griafmad... almost every "point" you make I can shoot out of the water:

10000? You accuse others of making points they can't proof... show me where you got that number from and you'll win this round.

well i cant show you, cause i honetly dotn know how much c4 or dynamite it would take to make a sykroniced expotion, but i would imagine it would take more then 2weeks (if the buildings where even closed that long, havent seen evidence of that either) for a single person to place it.. would proberly take what 50 ppl or 100 or there abouts.. why would they do that?

 

[Bugz]

call me stupid but i can see the the 747 fit perfectly into the hole in the building, jetfuel doent have to burn at 2000 degrees, a normal campfire i enough to make iron unstable enough to bend, and when it bends it cant support weight, and as for debree on the tower i would imagine it would be posible for it to imply crash inside the building with not much spilling outside...

It may bend but the force of one plane would not entirely bend the ex. tallest skyscraper in existance (i think?).

 

[Dallas]

if youve seen loose change, then read this:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

 

[Soulslayer]

on regards to why they collapsed... they were a bad design.

the construction is a large reinforced concrete pillar all the way up the middle which is the main structure and strongest part of the building, weaken that (ie. fire, plane hitting it etc.) and you weaken the whole structure, probably to collapse.

 

[Cylian]

it's sure very interesting how they collapsed without shifting to the side...

I mean, when the explosives in a planned demolition are just slightly off, the building is likely to drop to a side instead of staying in it's own boundings.
Those Towers get hit by planes and collapse perfectly in their boundings ?

 

[Hardcore_Geordie]

why doesnt the autoher of the movie let us take a closer look or at that peice of paper he sais is an insurance contract? with just a few lines highligted, maybe he wrote the ting him self?

- It's America. If he made the things up he would be taken to court for $$MiLlIonS$$
-When quoting someone, You dont put everything on as not everything is relevant for the thing your proving.
Kkthx.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Kkthx.

Yeah, you sure pwned... Way to go!

And all you people thinking you know which way high towers collapse, or how much fuel is needed to drop a high tower, how the fuck do you know?
How many towers have you tried dropping? 3? 2? 1? nah, thought so.

 

[tris-]

i think all these arguments you guys are making are void.

a)are you experienced constructions engineers?
b)did you help in the building of the towers?

i am dubious about it my self. but if you have no qualification and experience to backup what you say then its pretty void

btw, dont come back with "its common sense kthxbyewtfpwned".

construction of the tallest building in the known universe is not common sense otherwise everyone would be doing it.

call me stupid but i can see the the 747 fit perfectly into the hole in the building

to be fair, no you cant. its a photo. you were not able to go and measure up the damage where you?

also, how do you know how long it takes to set up C4 demo charges? are you also an experience demolitions expert? you sure do have a lot of credentials if all this is true.

All other planecrashes always had a LOT more visual planedebrees then this one... planes don't just dissapear.

how many planes have you seen crashed into a building exactly like this? i havent seen any, maybe you know a secret place it happend that no one knows about except you

 

[Penlid]

A bomber crashed into the empire state building 20 years ago or something, that is still intact!

 

[tris-]

so what does that prove exactly?

again, if anyone wants to make a point about the structure of the building then please show me your masters degrees and past experience in construction

 

[noblok]

if youve seen loose change, then read this:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

Quoted to remind people of it .

 

[Calaen]

pooned

 

[Cylian]

A bomber crashed into the empire state building 20 years ago or something, that is still intact!

wasn't that a B-25 Bomber in 1945 ?

(B-25 are bit smaller than the B-52, don't mix that up )

 

[tris-]

who cares what it was. the empire state building isnt the WTC is it.