9/11 is the movie true or false?

[Hardcore_Geordie]

Yeah, you sure pwned... Way to go!

And all you people thinking you know which way high towers collapse, or how much fuel is needed to drop a high tower, how the fuck do you know?
How many towers have you tried dropping? 3? 2? 1? nah, thought so.

Where did i say i "sure pwned" ?

A guy who basically had fuck all idea about what was going on and his opinion was purely based on what he thought with no evidence posted, The things i posted actually show why what hes saying is unlikeley.

 

[tris-]

look, at the end of the day no ones point here is valid.

i have yet to see qualifications and extensive experience from anyone here who has built super structures before.

but if u like to argue then no one can stop u tbh :/

 

[Hardcore_Geordie]

The bomb theory is quite weird actually when you think about it, Dont have much information on this however.

On Friday, February 26, 1993, at 12:18 p.m., a bomb exploded in the underground garage of One World Trade Center, creating a 22-foot-wide, five-story-deep crater. Six people were killed and more than 1,000 were injured. The towers were cleaned, repaired, and reopened in less than one month.


Also, The building structure its self was not that good, Each tower swayed approximately three feet from true center in strong wind storms.

Now the design of the towers.

.... Although they were in fact designed to withstand being struck by an airplane, the resultant fires weakened the infrastructure of the building, collapsing the upper floors and creating too much load for the lower floors to bear. Shortly after the attack, both towers collapsed.

Now, The fires saying to weaken this structure is also quite strange. Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees, Yet in the time its quite hard for temperatures to reach that high and effect a structure as such built that fast.

However, Im not one to see only one side of a story - Take a look at this diagram and the explination of why it happend in the eyes of others and so on.

The fire wasn't hot enough to melt the steel

There has never been a claim that the steel melted in the fire before the buildings collapsed, however the fire would have been very hot. Even though the steel didnt melt, the type of temperatures in the fire would have roughly halved its strength.

The way the building collapsed must have been caused by explosions

One demolition expert on the day of the collapse said it looked like implosion but this is not very strong evidence. Implosion firstly requires a lot of explosives placed in strategic areas all around the building. When and how was this explosive placed in the building without anyone knowing about it. Second, implosion required more than just explosives. Demolition experts spend weeks inside a derelict building planning an event. Many of the beams are cut through by about 90% so that the explosion only has to break a small bit of steel. In this state the building is highly dangerous, and there is no way such a prepared building could still be running day to day like WTC was.

There would have been variations in the distribution of the temperature both in place in time. There are photos that show people in the areas opened up by the impact, so it obviously wasnt too hot when those photos were taken, but this is not to say that other parts of the building, further inside were not hotter. In addition, to make a reasonable conclusion from these photos, it would be important to know when they were taken. It might be possible that just after the impact the area wasnt very hot, but as the fire took hold the area got hotter.


Anyway, Done more research than most people have done before posting.

 

[tris-]

that doesnt mean you point is valid and correct though.

 

[Hardcore_Geordie]

that doesnt mean you point is valid and correct though.

My point of view on something, Is really just my point of view, Atleast this time i've been arsed to actually take into account the other side of the story and the point of view from many other people.

I have not once said my point is correct, However you would just be plain stupid to think someone else's point is not valid, when you yourself do not know that much either.

 

[tris-]

yes, the whole point is none of us know enough to have a valid point.

 

[Hardcore_Geordie]

yes, the whole point is none of us know enough to have a valid point.

How can you say none of us know enough mate? Thats what one of the main problems is. Asumption.

 

[tris-]

ok, i mean ive said it a few times already but do you have the following?

a)past experience in the construction, design etc of a superstructure?
b)did you work on the building, and therefore know the full truth about what is and is not correct
c)are you an experienced demolitions expert?
d)did you build a 747 and know exactly how it will react when crashing into the tallest building in the world?

my geordie friend, i suggest you go drink a bottle of dog and think it through again

 

[Hardcore_Geordie]

ok, i mean ive said it a few times already but do you have the following?

a)past experience in the construction, design etc of a superstructure?
b)did you work on the building, and therefore know the full truth about what is and is not correct
c)are you an experienced demolitions expert?
d)did you build a 747 and know exactly how it will react when crashing into the tallest building in the world?

Answers:

A) Experience of construction has been since leaving uni and working in the design of a new housing estates,My job involves making sure the new structures are up to expectations yet safer than ever.

B) I did not work on the world trade centre no, But books that were made pre September,11 would not be telling fibs about structure, materials and so on.

C) I have studied demolition for quite some time and i will take the course some time next month to begin qualification, When taking over a housing zone and doing the construction, its nice to know 100% the structure you are making will come down easy when needed, But not easy enough for natural hazzards and so on. However I dont think there is a house in the world that withstands a plane hitting it.

D) I have never built a plane no, i dont think its something i will ever do, However i do know how things react when hit and in the case of 9/11 things seemed to go just a tad to fast.

You need to lighten up, and be more open minded mate. Asumption kills things, And alot of the posts here are just asumption.

 

[tris-]

im just trying to the argumentor and keep it interesting

 

[Hardcore_Geordie]

im just trying to the argumentor and keep it interesting

Not sure what you mean, But ok

 

[tris-]

smeone needs an opposing view or the whole argument would fall flat on its shitt y face

 

[Hardcore_Geordie]

smeone needs an opposing view or the whole argument would fall flat on its shitt y face

Re-read my post :-(

Im not as pig-shit minded to only think one thing and asume its right ;d

 

[tris-]

Re-read my post :-(

Im not as pig-shit minded to only think one thing and asume its right ;d

i know. and unless i was being the nob then we wouldnt of found that out!

soeone always needs to be the nob in an argument or it wont work.

 

[Hardcore_Geordie]

i know. and unless i was being the nob then we wouldnt of found that out!

soeone always needs to be the nob in an argument or it wont work.

If your wife plays the "nob" in an argument, Theres sure a problem.

Anyway - NN !

 

[Joor]

I dont think meny of the FH members know whats really going on..
Its all about "The World Order". 9/11 is just a minor event(explained in video)

""Since 1990 David Icke has been on an amazing journey of self and collective discovery to establish the real power behind apparently 'random' world events like 9/11 and the 'war on terrorism'. Here he reveals that a network of interbreeding bloodlines manipulating through their web of interconnecting secret societies have been pursuing an agenda for thousands of years to impose a global centralised fascist state with total control and surveillance of the population.

Over six hours with hundreds of illustrations, David Icke reveals the illusion that is life in this 'physical' reality. How is this 'world' - a provable illusion - just a lucid dream? How do we create it and how can we change the dream to one that we would like to experience?""

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1788098500928248111
Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=868482147553055155
Part 3: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6360955016636833908

Yes most of what you will see are shocking..
After you have seen it..sit back and think!

(sorry im to tired to write an essay which i properly will tomorrow)

 

[Elkie]

I dont think meny of the FH members know whats really going on..
Its all about "The World Order". 9/11 is just a minor event(explained in video)
Yes I know most cba to sit and watch 6 hours documentation.

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1788098500928248111
Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=868482147553055155
Part 3: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6360955016636833908

Yes most of what you will see are shocking..
After you have seen it..sit back and think!

(sorry im to tired to write an essay which i properly will tomorrow)

Joor we had a discussion for what an hour and bit 1nce about all this Ive said it 1nce il say it again LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THINGS what is this mans motives for makeing these videos? how do we know if these videos are true orr not, we dont have a clue and we will not know until the usa goverment admit that its true will that happen? No, you cant base this whole event on these 3 videos which is very interesting to watch and make you think alot about it but the fact is you cant change your mind about an event over 3 videos that im sure you have never heard of the man whos made these videos b4, I know its strange to accept but people Died in this event weather it was the usa goverment or Binladen we will never know.... il write more 2moz as im tired and had a few drinks tonight.

We aint talkd in a while anyway joor rather discuss this over vent tbh as im sure u have watched all these vids over and over again as much as i have.

 

[Konah]

the best planned and biggest bullion robbery in the history of the world used as leverage to instigate the biggest oil robbery the world has ever seen. terrorist paranoia then played on as an excuse to usher in "police state" like powers of surveilance and population control and ensure the "bush empire" and, more importantly, the industrialists, arms manufacturers and oil magnates who back him, stay in power for the foreseeable future.

i mean you only have to look at the way the US election was fairly openly rigged in several key states to see smth is very fucked with the U S of A atm.

$75 a barrel? they must be laughing thier tits off

 

[Raven]

agree with Konah, the next 10 years are going to be very telling, i wouldnt go as far as building the shelter just yet but the way america goes about these days the world just gets ever more dangerous

 

[Huntingtons]

look, at the end of the day no ones point here is valid.

no points made on fh are valid :/

but to be honest you cant just say YOU NEED MASTERS FOR PROVING ANYTHING! LOLS! (i know you didn't say it that way just in case you're gonna point that out -.-)

in that case you cant trust anything, how do you know hitler ordered those jews to be gassed? how do you know that slavery is in fact forbidden in us if you havnt been there, IT COULD ALL BE A HOAX! LOLS!

you make points from what you've been informed, people prove you right or wrong the exact same way... tho, im very sceptic about anything i see/read online unless its from some credit worthy newspaper or station etc.

/edit

and i cant belive that people buy most of the stuff (still i havnt watched it, but seems like joor eats it raw...)

 

[Jeriraa]

All the footage from the towers falling sure looks like a precesision demolition. I takes months of planning and hard work to bring a building down like this. The slightest misscalculation makes it topple to one side and we are supposed to belief that a fire coincidently has the same effect?
Nah, the chance for that is probably an infinite amount of times smaller than the chance that it was staged.

It has been done before. Not on this kind of scale thou.

 

[tris-]

hardcore geordie is banned.

i guess the FBI got wind of his shennangians and removed him from society

 

[Garok]

""Since 1990 David Icke has been on an amazing journey of self and collective discovery to establish the real power behind apparently 'random' world events like 9/11 and the 'war on terrorism'. Here he reveals that a network of interbreeding bloodlines manipulating through their web of interconnecting secret societies have been pursuing an agenda for thousands of years to impose a global centralised fascist state with total control and surveillance of the population.

Over six hours with hundreds of illustrations, David Icke reveals the illusion that is life in this 'physical' reality. How is this 'world' - a provable illusion - just a lucid dream? How do we create it and how can we change the dream to one that we would like to experience?""

Can't view the video's at the mo but is this the same David Icke that played in Goal for Chelsea and thought he was the son of God ?

 

[Joor]

http://www.freedomfiles.org/movies/shape_shifter.html

scared the shit out of me

 

[tris-]

Spoiler

volume down tbh.

though its a new one to me

if i learnt anything from the internet its that dont trust anyone in life about anything, ever. they are only out to make you piss your pants anyway

 

[Krait]

Can't view the video's at the mo but is this the same David Icke that played in Goal for Chelsea and thought he was the son of God ?

Yup....the very same.

The "turquoise is the colour of christ" weirdo.

 

[Tesla Monkor]

All I can say is this, really.

I guess we have the "Grassy Knoll Theory" of our generation right here. 9/11 will keep the nuts speculating for generations to come.

About 5000 people died in the world trade center attack - a bunch of very big, fuel-laden aircraft flew into a big tower and it collapsed. That's really all there is to it.

You can put on your tin-foil hats and watch these movies until you're old and grey, but nothing is going to change that. Discussing it really is pretty pointless.

(And yes, I've seen the videos. They made me laugh with their pretentiousness - it's all a load of hot air and no in-depth research.

 

[Jjuraa]

funnily enough i was arguing with a friend about this the other day. he was pretty sure that the whole thing was an american conspiricy, whereas i remained sceptical. Ive watched loose change 1 + 2 and i still remain sceptical, mainly for the following reason:

As much as we all love to joke about how stupid America is, do you honestly beleive that if they were going to blow up their own towers, theyd leave so many obvious clues behind?

for example the "osama bin laden tape evidence" where the journalist claims that osama was left handed but in the video he was writing with his right hand. you think the FBI/CIA/Whatever organisation is supposed to be behind the "conspiricy" would be STUPID enough to miss a detail like that? a three year old could "fake" a better video than that

 

[Cadiva]

Was the pentagon really hit by a jumbo jet?

Without going into the rest of your post or my views on the thread itself and simply to answer this part of it.

My friend, an American IT expert and former US Marine was outside the Pentagon with one of his colleges enjoying a quiet smoke when the plane hit it.

On that occasion smoking saved his life as otherwise he would have been in the offices where the plane hit.

In the horrors of the immediate hours of the attack and the longterm aftermath of 9/11 in trying to find out if Alec was okay, I don't think he would have lied to his family and friends about seeing the plane hitting the building somehow.

 

[Lethul]

Without going into the rest of your post or my views on the thread itself and simply to answer this part of it.

My friend, an American IT expert and former US Marine was outside the Pentagon with one of his colleges enjoying a quiet smoke when the plane hit it.

On that occasion smoking saved his life as otherwise he would have been in the offices where the plane hit.

In the horrors of the immediate hours of the attack and the longterm aftermath of 9/11 in trying to find out if Alec was okay, I don't think he would have lied to his family and friends about seeing the plane hitting the building somehow.

and my friend saw a missile! void null caching!