5% ?!?!?

[MYstIC G]

BBC NEWS | England | London | Tube strike begins as talks fail

Sorry, but I have to say, fuck the RMT.

 

[ECA]

And there is why organised labour is a double edged sword - strikes can be a pretty effective blackmail tool vs certain industries/companies and there isn't a lot you can do about it.

 

[Ono]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - they should outlaw strikes for public services.

5% in the current climate (and guaranteed no compulsory redundancies) is a bit of a joke to be honest.


Sack them all and give the jobs to out of work bankers FTW.

 

[ECA]

i've said it before and i'll say it again - they should outlaw strikes for public services.

5% in the current climate (and guaranteed no compulsory redundancies) is a bit of a joke to be honest.


Sack them all, lower the wages by 10% and readvertise their jobs which would all go inside a day.

fyp.

 

[pcg79]

i also read that they wanted the reinstatement of 2 workers who got fired: one for theft (trial ongoing), one for lying about safety checks + opening doors on teh wrong side of the platform.

werent they previously striking about train safety!??

 

[soze]

My mate uses the tube to get to work and his Company is currently picking which 1 in 4 people to make redundant so he can't really just say he will work from home. So he is really happy with them doing this to get a bigger pay rise. If they had said they would skip a pay rise this year to avoid people being laid off i would care more but as is they are mugs.

 

[Ormorof]

still relevant today? London Underground : The Song

 

[taB]

Smash their union. It has no place in the now.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I shall be walking to Old Street from Waterloo and back due to these greedy bastards.

 

[Furr]

Tube system is and always has been a massive hostage tool for the unions, Boris should take the suicide run and break up the Unions and privatise the thing... London without Tube does not work.

 

[Jupitus]

I shall be walking to Old Street from Waterloo and back due to these greedy bastards.

76 from Waterloo.... scarily, it's the same route as me.... don't tell me we're going to have to have a beer together sometime

 

[Wij]

and a bum

 

[Ch3tan]

Greedy twats tbh. I'm glad I do not have to travel into London anymore.

 

[Sparx]

Tube system is and always has been a massive hostage tool for the unions, Boris should take the suicide run and break up the Unions and privatise the thing... London without Tube does not work.

Different lines are actually ran by different companies, just like the buses are, we are private companies and have to bid to run routes for tfl. The unions still have a massive say in what goes on and whether to strike. But the T&GW Union is brilliant and actually thinks about the drivers and the companies well being rather than what shall we strike on this time like RMT

 

[rynnor]

Fuckers - they have long been the last of the 'hold the country to ransom' unions - the pay and conditions of the blokes who press a button to open and close the doors (which is all they do on the Victoria line) are absolutely amazing.

They are far better paid/rewarded than nurses/firemen/paramedics etc. for doing a piss easy job.

The fact that they talk about safety yet had a strike on the Victoria line because a guy who repeatedly opened the door on the wrong side (thereby risking people falling onto the live rails etc.) who then didnt bother to check if people had fallen out and failed to record it is a fucking farce!!!

 

[ford prefect]

I'm all for a fair days pay for a fair days work, but this does seem a little steep in the current climate. I would think that job security would be a bigger concern at the moment.

 

[Chilly]

I got a 30% payrise this year and I cycle to work. Blissfully ignorant of the worlds problems!

 

[Dark Orb Choir]

maybe this is a ploy by the union to barter the london underground management into something more reasonable, start high accept less, but that less is what you wanted in the first place.

it isnt a national strike so stop moaning, its not liek you cant get on another form of transport, plus who said you cant strike if you work in a public server organisation, that jsut rubbish and open to abuse from the employers.

i am not on any side but the workers have rights and their union does have shit loads of members so should be taken seriously, so until the tories get in and abolish any union membership then you lot will just have to stfu and take it on the chin

 

[Sparx]

maybe this is a ploy by the union to barter the london underground management into something more reasonable, start high accept less, but that less is what you wanted in the first place.

it isnt a national strike so stop moaning, its not liek you cant get on another form of transport, plus who said you cant strike if you work in a public server organisation, that jsut rubbish and open to abuse from the employers.

i am not on any side but the workers have rights and their union does have shit loads of members so should be taken seriously, so until the tories get in and abolish any union membership then you lot will just have to stfu and take it on the chin

Do you live in London? i seriously doubt you do with that comment. Its near impossible to get from Finsbury park to waterloo during rush hour with no tube, unless you want your journey to be over 3 hours long.

And the fact that the RMT union strike every 6 months over something stupid like someone being fired for being unable to carry their job out properly or even more pay

 

[Overdriven]

See, I'm not going to have a MAJOR issue with the strike. Am HOPEFULLY heading to South Kensington on Friday. Have two options.. Either go overground from Sutton to Victoria and bus it, or go to Morden and tube with the Northern line.. Glad I don't have to take any main UG services though. =< Feel bad for the guys here who do.

 

[Sparx]

I'm off this week and nothing really planned other than see how far i can push a 50meg line so i wont be bothered with it. And if i do have to go anywhere i will just drive

 

[Sparx]

What a prick

Tube workers won't be bullied | Bob Crow | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

 

[Sparx]

Some commentators have argued that we should accept that, in a recession, our members should be grateful that they have jobs. RMT rejects that. It wasn't our members who created the downturn and we will not be bullied into accepting that they should be forced to pay for an economic crisis that was cooked up by the bankers and the politicians.

Neither did any of us but we have all made sacrifices during this recession

 

[`mongoose]

Neither did any of us but we have all made sacrifices during this recession

We have? I'm not so sure that's particularly true tbh.

Tube strike: deal or no deal? | UK news | guardian.co.uk

that opens up the issue slightly showing that neither side is being straight with the facts.

It's pretty obvious that the central tenet to the dispute is the threat of redundancies. I have nothing but sympathy for the people affected by this action, it must be fucking horrid trying to get about London today but I can understand why they've taken this stance.

a good quote from the article is this

While many view Johnson's grasp of industrial relations as fairly weak, he was not at the negotiating table. Both sides present appeared to want to settle but the deal came unstuck over job security for former Metronet staff. With no sign of this being resolved, further disruptions appear likely at this stage.

There is a bit of anti conservative major bs in that end which slightly marrs the piece I feel as it was (until that point) a fairly dispassionate and spin free piece of reporting

M

 

[Ch3tan]

But aren't those the same jobs that LU and TFL are doing now? Those metronet jobs are duplicated since metronet handed the reigns over.

I have no sympathy for tube workers, one strike to many and they seem to think they are entitled to more than everyone else. Because they work for an essential service in London they know that even if it operates at a loss it will never shut down, so they try to get more and more.

 

[Embattle]

Does make ones blood boil and I don't even have to use the tube.