5 years on: do you miss smoking in pubs?

[old.Tohtori]

Its the nicotine and the addiction it caused that makes a smoker stressed, thats why when you smoke you calm down because you have appeased the craving, as others have already stated..

Nope, not the only reason. Could ofcourse read what i linked, but facts ofcourse are hard to accept as opposed to propaganda.

On the bloodflow, it actually does slow down, not for good reasons, but still.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Definitively NO

And it opened brand new ways of pulliin' birds

Thx you anti-smoke law!

 

[Talivar]

Facts? I work as a Health Trainer and spend day in,day out seeing the "propaganda" as it effects peoples bodys. Go do any basic training in blood pressure or even smoking and you will see. Its ironic you talk of facts as if the websites you find magically outweigh the millions that say otherwise. Also as you said smoking can slow the blood flow but it also raises the pressure so either way its bad. Unless ofc you have high blood pressure already and decide its worth risking cancer and heart disease to lower it a bit and make yourself have the possibility of imputence later in life.

 

[MYstIC G]

If paper doesn't refuse ink then why do people believe that websites are any different.

 

[Talivar]

No1 is disputing the link tho just pointing out the fact you need to put it into context with the thousands of other studies, and tbh the link itself does not give smoking a good light, it actually makes it sound bad IMO
"According to Gehricke, "Participants who showed nicotine-induced changes in anger task performance also showed changes in brain metabolism. Nicotine-induced reductions in length of retaliation were associated with changes in brain metabolism in response to nicotine in brain areas responsible for orienting, planning and processing of emotional stimuli"

 

[old.user4556]

It's still cool to smoke.

 

[Talivar]

To clarify i mean the study makes it sound like many areas of the brain are slowing and as a side effect the participant does not get angry at a computer game loss, Also have to remeber in this partivular study there could be other external factors like the fact not everyone gets mad when they lose at a computer game. Wonder why they did not repeat the experiment after not letting the participants smoke for a few days

 

[old.Tohtori]

Facts? I work as a Health Trainer and spend day in,day out seeing the "propaganda" as it effects peoples bodys. Go do any basic training in blood pressure or even smoking and you will see. Its ironic you talk of facts as if the websites you find magically outweigh the millions that say otherwise. Also as you said smoking can slow the blood flow but it also raises the pressure so either way its bad. Unless ofc you have high blood pressure already and decide its worth risking cancer and heart disease to lower it a bit and make yourself have the possibility of imputence later in life.

I'm not disputing any health issues with smoking, stop making it sound like i do. All i said was correct and the anger issue even backed up by some external studies, which you have provided zero.

Your court, ball, etc.

 

[Talivar]

http://web.ebscohost.com/ehost/deta...a=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZQ==#db=afh&AN=67412205
Journal of Studies on Alcohol & Drugs; Nov2011, Vol. 72 Issue 6, p926-932, 7p
http://web.ebscohost.com/ehost/deta...a=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZQ==#db=s3h&AN=12059379
Stress Medicine Apr92, Vol. 8 Issue 2, p99 5p.
http://web.ebscohost.com/ehost/deta...ta=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZQ==#db=afh&AN=5122925
Nicotine & Tobacco Research; Aug2001, Vol. 3 Issue 3, p235-248, 14p, 4 Charts

http://quitsmoking.lifetips.com/faq/111576/0/does-quitting-smoking-cause-anger/index.html

The studies are endless and often confusing i admit

 

[old.Tohtori]

None of that disputes what i said. Only that lack of nicotine can cause anger and that smoking in return relieves that, as is commonly known when talking about addiction stuff.

But nicotine, as by my link, can reduce anger in itself and as such, to get to my original point; smoking calms people down.

In short, show me a study that shows that calming effect of smoking is 100% because of addiction and i'm wrong.

 

[Talivar]

Wel my first link shows the link between sm0oking and higher stress and anger in females, The third link shows large % men that suffer heart problems due to stress and anger are smokers ect,

 

[old.Tohtori]

As a flaw, as you did on my link, they didn't test stress relief/anger deduction in non-smokers.

 

[Scouse]

It's still cool to smoke.

It's how they got women to take it up in teh 1920's. They weren't really into it then, but got a load of starletts to be photographed with it - turned it into a symbol of women's freedom.

Stupid bitches

 

[Talivar]

Most studies alone are flawed thats why you need multiple ones to back them up.

 

[Olgaline]

Toht vs Talivar, winner gets Klitschko!
We'll place it on neutral ground, say DK.

 

[Wij]

SEXY bitches

 

[old.Tohtori]

Most studies alone are flawed thats why you need multiple ones to back them up.

True, though the studies are a bit different. I don't think we have enough studies either way to deny/approve that smoking in itself(or nicotine) calms people down, but as a personal experience point, i can say that it is so even with no nicotine need.

We should test with angry non-smokers.

 

[Scouse]

SEXY bitches

Aye

Until you stick your tongue down their ash-ridden throat

 

[DaGaffer]

It's still cool to smoke.

You're absolutely right

 

[old.Tohtori]

Don't bring your GF into this Gaff.

 

[DaGaffer]

Don't bring your GF into this Gaff.

I assumed it was your mother.

 

[Tom]

Toht doesn't have a mother, unless he does. But he does only if he says he does, if he doesn't say that then how can he possibly have a mother?

 

[Olgaline]

Tohtori's arent born! they're hatched..fools!

 

[chipper]

None of that disputes what i said. Only that lack of nicotine can cause anger and that smoking in return relieves that, as is commonly known when talking about addiction stuff.

But nicotine, as by my link, can reduce anger in itself and as such, to get to my original point; smoking calms people down.

In short, show me a study that shows that calming effect of smoking is 100% because of addiction and i'm wrong.

i know reduce your lifespan smell like shit spend a good portion of your money on something thats gonna do harm to you but hey thats ok cos you will be calm about

or you could just buy a stressball or go for a run listen to some relaxing music

and it cant be that relaxing can it cos it used to boil my fucking piss when some wanker lit up in a restaurant while i was having my snap so i would actually say it made me angrier they didnt light up and i would think ahh yes the world is a much nicer place and im much more relaxed

 

[old.Tohtori]

i know reduce your lifespan smell like shit spend a good portion of your money on something thats gonna do harm to you but hey thats ok cos you will be calm about

or you could just buy a stressball or go for a run listen to some relaxing music

and it cant be that relaxing can it cos it used to boil my fucking piss when some wanker lit up in a restaurant while i was having my snap so i would actually say it made me angrier they didnt light up and i would think ahh yes the world is a much nicer place and im much more relaxed

Never disputed smell, harm, cost or any such issues

You getting angry means you should grab a smoke

 

[old.user4556]

Don't bring your GF into this Gaff.

Quite possibly the best post ever (sorry Gaff).

 

[Yoni]

I am a failed ex smoker, I am sentient and intelligent, I understand all the reasons for not smoking and some days I would like to be a non- smoker..... It is addictive, it can damage my health and yet I continue.

There are psychological conditions which mean some of us have a greater chance of becoming addicted to something, alcohol, food, exercise, drugs, a personal relationship, gaming, work, sex, weight loss etc all of which can be life threatening if taken to the extreme. I understand my weaknesses I know that at times I have taken many of the listed activities to the extreme and have felt far worse than I do today. I expect that some of you see me as weak minded, and maybe I should grow a pair .

There is something that I have learned in life however and that is an individual who appears to be perfect, conforming to societies norms and expectations, carry some of the darkest burdens and use coping mechanisms which are more taboo than smoking (naturally not everyone, however I have yet to encounter a perfect human )

As a reformed non smoker I prefer to smoke outside no matter what the weather, I do not see this addiction as social ( ie I have no desire on most occasions to be kept company whilst I do so). I hate smelling of smoke and although I am 100% aware that I (my clothes and skin) still smell it is to a far lessor degree than they did when I smoked before the ban.

To those individuals who are reformed smokers or who have never smoked who promote yourselves as perfect citizens, I truly envy your ability to cope with your life issues in a socially acceptable way... I don't however envy those who appear perfect, those who preach social norms in a condescending way whilst using socially unacceptable / deviant methods in secret... The burden of that alone must be unbearable....

 

[Hawkwind]

Never smoked a cigarette in my life. But as Yoni stated no one's perfect. I used to drink like a fish and use women purely for entertainment purposes. Longest relationship i had until I met the Mrs was around 3 weeks. Obviously a deeply flawed personality in my youth. I believe my wife of 16 years would agree that I have somewhat reformed. I may even turn into a respectable adult one day!

On topic I don't miss the smell on my clothes after a good night out.

 

[rynnor]

There are psychological conditions which mean some of us have a greater chance of becoming addicted to something, alcohol, food, exercise, drugs, a personal relationship, gaming, work, sex, weight loss etc all of which can be life threatening if taken to the extreme. I understand my weaknesses I know that at times I have taken many of the listed activities to the extreme and have felt far worse than I do today. I expect that some of you see me as weak minded, and maybe I should grow a pair .

There is something that I have learned in life however and that is an individual who appears to be perfect, conforming to societies norms and expectations, carry some of the darkest burdens and use coping mechanisms which are more taboo than smoking (naturally not everyone, however I have yet to encounter a perfect human )

Nice to see you on the forum again Yoni

I think there is much in what you say - most people have an addictive personality - the key is recognising it and channeling it into something that wont destroy your life like gambling or alcohol.

In that context smoking isnt a bad choice - society is a bit messed up in that some addictions like anorexia or bodybuilding are actually lauded by certain parts of society.

 

[old.Tohtori]

From the words of a OAP i shared a room with in the hospital when i was younger; "Smoking a bad habit? Hah, you could do a lot worse.", who then went on to list the drugs and such he'd done and was still kicking around

Smoking is an eay target 'cause it's common, much like...hmm...gaming.

Alcohol isn't targeted that much because hey, even non-smokers like it so it ca't be that bad