300 years of the "Union"

[Bracken]

The Act of Union of Scotland and England was ratified on this day in 1707. Is it time to let the Jocks have their country back or should we keep them as a small English province on the grounds that their sub-Latvian economy would only lead to them all emigrating here anyway? :england:

 

[Corran]

The Act of Union of Scotland and England was ratified on this day in 1707. Is it time to let the Jocks have their country back or should we keep them as a small English province on the grounds that their sub-Latvian economy would only lead to them all emigrating here anyway? :england:

Scotland can NOT survive without england. If we split now then there would be about £20billion defeict in the Scottish state pension. Scotland doesnt have a high enough GNP to survive either. It would be an awful idea for them to split and can see it causing a hell of a lot of trouble.

Got nothing against Scotland, I live there afteral. It just can not survive on its own. Like it or not that is basic economics. They got their own government basically (look at how much money it wasted on one building, lol) and they basically control england government (hello to the "we want our own government but we also want scottish people running english government") so they should be happy with that and just keep the stability they currently have.

 

[old.Tohtori]

For the rest of the world, scotland is free and independent as the next country.

So...basicly if there's some political things or somenot...we don't know and still think scots pwn brits anyday

 

[Sharma]

Fucking haggis.

 

[Naetha]

I'd love Scotland and Wales to be independent, but I just know it wouldn't be feasible.

 

[Thadius]

I'd love Scotland and Wales to be independent, but I just know it wouldn't be feasible.

Let Scotland and Wales form thier own country!

Bearded miners wearing kilts, eating haggis with leeks and have a fondness for sheep!

 

[Mojo]

I'd love Scotland and Wales to be independent, but I just know it wouldn't be feasible.

I think it would be a waste of money and not very popular.

 

[cHodAX]

To be honest if I thought they could survive economically alone I would have no problem with it as long as the majority of Scots were happy to go along with it. The problem I have is this, north sea oil and gas is running out alarmingly fast and that would be Scotlands main source of income, without the oil money I could see Scotland falling into an economic depression very fast and it would be a hole that they would have no way of digging themselves out of. The rest of their economy wouldn't go even 50% towards meeting the national spending budget, the last thing I want to see is Scotland turning into a second rate country for the sake of arguable independence.

 

[tris-]

fuck splitting. the place would crash into a bigger shit hole than it is now. everyone would leave that and come through the borders to live in 'rich' england.

 

[Levin]

without the oil money I could see Scotland falling into an economic depression very fast and it would be a hole that they would have no way of digging themselves out of

They could always up their whiskey production.

 

[Sparx]

doesnt bother me either way, i'm Scottish but live in London. TBH when you live in london anywhere outside isnt worth thinking about

 

[Huntingtons]

Let Scotland and Wales form thier own country!

Bearded miners wearing kilts, eating haggis with leeks and have a fondness for sheep!

you'd be the first real citizin i bet :<

 

[Castus]

I heard Bush will be invading us after Iran and N Korea to 'free' his Jock and Welsh brothers.However he thinks the irish deserve everything they get Independance? haha

 

[Raven]

get rid please

 

[Jeremiah]

Got nothing against Scotland, I live there afteral. It just can not survive on its own. Like it or not that is basic economics. They got their own government basically (look at how much money it wasted on one building, lol) and they basically control england government (hello to the "we want our own government but we also want scottish people running english government") so they should be happy with that and just keep the stability they currently have.

Actually, it has be proven that Scotland would be very stable financially if we were independant. Scotland has so many natural resources, I mean the North Sea oil alone is still a gold mine, and a healthy amount of exports too. And lets not forget, the Scottish arent alone in wasting tax payers money (hello Millenium Dome!). The truth is that while it would initially be difficult to go it alone, like any nation becoming independant for the first time, it can be done. I would like it, means no more 1966 at World Cup time

 

[Dillinja]

For the rest of the world, scotland is free and independent as the next country.

So...basicly if there's some political things or somenot...we don't know and still think scots pwn brits anyday

Scots are Brits. I think you mean "scots pwn the english anyday", which is equally stupid considering we have practically ruled them since time began... but I guess everyone loves the underdog. Personally, I'd love it if they fucked off, then we wouldn't have to keep subsidising them and we could watch their country go third world within a decade. I'm sure their completely unfounded hatred of England would disappear pretty sharpish, we'd have to rebuild Hadrian's wall to stop them from coming over the border.

 

[Wij]

Soooooo....

Who's right about the referendum? Salmond, Cameron, both, neither?

 

[Raven]

Cameron. Whether Salmond likes it or not Scotland are part of the Union and any referendum would have to be authorised by the Union.

As for membership of the union, Scotland would be foolish to leave it. They would be out of Europe and out of money, it would be a complete and utter disaster. It could be argued that Europe would not even consider accepting them into Europe, especially with the way things are at the moment.

I would like to think that the outcome of any referendum would be to stay in the union. Which is kind of a shame as I would love to see Salmond try and explain why Scotland can no longer afford free education and whatnot.

 

[Aoami]

Whether the outcome is yes or no nothing would happen as it would be illegal. I would suggest it is worth doing it anyway though to gauge public opinion, which i imagine would be an overwhelming no.

 

[Bodhi]

I think Scotland could flourish as an independent nation. We have plenty of natural resources (North Sea Oil is NOT running out fast, and they've just found another load West of the Shetlands) and there is plenty we can do with it to sell. If you look at the amount of things in history which have come out of Scotland, you will see we are far from a country full of retards, in fact I would argue that Scotland has given the world more than the football hooligans from south of the border have....

HOWEVER

It couldn't flourish under Salmond, the commie pinko arse bandit.

 

[Wij]

Whether the outcome is yes or no nothing would happen as it would be illegal. I would suggest it is worth doing it anyway though to gauge public opinion, which i imagine would be an overwhelming no.

Illegal? Not legally binding perhaps, but illegal?

 

[Aoami]

Surely it would be illegal unless ratified by the rest of the union?

 

[Wij]

Holding a referendum doesn't mean you have to ratify anything. Surely the problems would only occur after the result where legally Westminster could say "that's nice but it's not legally binding so off you fuck." of course I wouldn't put it past Salmond that that's exactly the situation he wants to be in would leave him on the moral high ground and Cameron et al would look rather bad in the rest of the world.

 

[old.Tohtori]

so off you fuck."

Using that in the future for sure

 

[Aoami]

Holding a referendum doesn't mean you have to ratify anything. Surely the problems would only occur after the result where legally Westminster could say "that's nice but it's not legally binding so off you fuck." of course I wouldn't put it past Salmond that that's exactly the situation he wants to be in would leave him on the moral high ground and Cameron et al would look rather bad in the rest of the world.

Yes thats what i was saying! I doubt the outcome of a referendum would be positive though so they might as well have it.

 

[DaGaffer]

Whether the outcome is yes or no nothing would happen as it would be illegal. I would suggest it is worth doing it anyway though to gauge public opinion, which i imagine would be an overwhelming no.

Would be more interesting to give the English a referendum...

 

[Chilly]

What we dont want is very different tax or legal regimes, that would lead to unfair markets. I can certainly see Scotland taking the piss and dropping various rates to encourage people to move there from England with their businesses but it's not good for the Island over all as it would just turn into a race to the bottom on taxes.

 

[Wij]

They need to sort out who will front the No campaign. It shouldn't be Cameron or miliband for reasons that are beyond obvious. There's talk of Alastair Darling who seems a fair choice and even Gordon 'fucking' Brown. Do the Scots not hate him quite as much as the English?

 

[DaGaffer]

What we dont want is very different tax or legal regimes, that would lead to unfair markets. I can certainly see Scotland taking the piss and dropping various rates to encourage people to move there from England with their businesses but it's not good for the Island over all as it would just turn into a race to the bottom on taxes.

Not really. Ireland has a low corporate tax rate and it hasn't really harmed the UK, and an independent Scotland is if anything likely to be a higher tax economy than Ireland.

 

[Ormorof]

i dont get Salmonds stance, surely the scottish independence party would be happy with a simple "would you like scotland to be independent?" with a YES/NO answer, simples...

unless of course he thinks the scottish public might vote no, thus invalidating his parties existence...