2pac Petition

[Everz]

I wont be signing anything linked to rap music unless its a petition banning the shit.

How people can listen to such much music is beyond me, singing about drugs/abuseing women/guns and other random shit, if this infulences people and they can relate to this type of music then its worrying.

The guy is only a legand because of the way he died, kinda the same as Kurt Cobain.

aye hes only a legend because he died.. more crap please.. he was a legend before he died, can be seen in his record sales, the way people worshipped him, for his genre he inspired loads of people within it and also those outside of it.

 

[Everz]

"Tupac Shakur can easily be placed under the same category as Elvis Presley, The Beatles and The Rolling Stones"

LOL, no he can't. Tupac Shakur is a classic example of death giving fans an excuse to make someone seem far more important than they were when they were alive; same as Jimi Hendrix (most over-rated guitarist ever), Kurt Cobain (had already started the creative burn-out and would have been washed up within 2 years), etc. etc. A hundred different versions of the same old "Yo yo yo, me and my muthafucking homies smoke lots of dope, fuck lots of bitches and shoot lots of cops" bollocks over and over on top of sampled bits of other people's fucking music does not make you some sort of creative genius.

I actually don't have anything in particular against rap as a music form - it's just like any other kind of music, 85% of it is derivative shit, 10% is good and 5% can be amazing - but trying to put Tupac Shakur up there as an all-time musical icon on a par with Elvis and The Beatles is self-delusion at its finest. And I don't even like Elvis or The Beatles

jesus, never knew you were so clueless, like i said there are some tracks like this of course, there are those which he made which are genius for e.g Life Goes On, Dear Mamma, Keep ya Head Up etc..

 

[Mabs]

Regardless of your opinion the man he is a legend for his muscial talent

really ? i thought it was an after effect of him being killed ?

most rap music, as has been said, is nasty tatty crap . some of it isnt bad.

end of the day tho, as long as your still shooting people cos they look at you funny, and die violently as young as possible YOUR COOL !

and how can sad middle class white kids "relate" to life in black ghetto areas ?

 

[Everz]

really ? i thought it was an after effect of him being killed ?

most rap music, as has been said, is nasty tatty crap . some of it isnt bad.

end of the day tho, as long as your still shooting people cos they look at you funny, and die violently as young as possible YOUR COOL !

and how can sad middle class white kids "relate" to life in black ghetto areas ?

since when did he shoot anybody?

he didnt intend to die young, he just knew he didnt expect to live long at all,

i could say most the shit such as all these rocks/punk/metal bands are tatty crap, with the rarely being a good one ever coming out..

 

[kirennia]

jesus, never knew you were so clueless, like i said there are some tracks like this of course, there are those which he made which are genius for e.g Life Goes On, Dear Mamma, Keep ya Head Up etc..

2pac - Life Goes On Lyrics

Spoiler

[Chorus: repeat 2X]

How many brothas fell victim to tha streetz
Rest in peace young *****, there's a Heaven for a 'G'
be a lie, If I told ya that I never thought of death
my niggas, we tha last ones left
but life goes on.....

[Verse One:]

As I bail through tha empty halls
breath stinkin'
in my draws
ring, ring, ring
quiet y'all
incoming call
plus this my homie from high school
he's getting by
It's time to bury another brotha nobody cry
life as a baller
alcohol and booty calls
we usta do them as adolecents
do you recall?
raised as G's
loc'ed out and blazed the weed
get on tha roof
let's get smoked out
and blaze with me
2 in tha morning
and we still high assed out
screamin' 'thug till I die'
before I passed out
but now that your gone
i'm in tha zone
thinkin'
'I don't wanna die all alone'
but now ya gone
and all I got left are stinkin' memories
I love them niggas to death
i'm drinkin' Hennessy
while tryin' ta make it last
I drank a 5th for that ass
when you passed....
cause life goes on

[Chorus]

[Verse Two:]

Yeah *****
I got tha word as hell
Ya blew trial and tha judge gave you
25 with an L
Time to prepare to do fed time
Won't see parole
Imagine life as a convict
What's getten' old
Plus with tha drama
We're lookin out for your babies mama
Taken risks, while keepin' cheap tricks from gettin on her...
Life in tha hood is all good for nobody
Remember gamin' on dumb hoties at chill parties
Me and you
No true a two
While scheming on hits
And gettin tricks
Ahat maybe we can slide into
but now you burried
Rest *****
Cause I ain't worried
Eyes blurried
Sayin' goodbye at the cemetary
tho' memories fade
I got your name tatted on my arm
So we both ball til' my dying days
before I say goodbye
Kato and Mental rest in peace
Thug till I die!

[Chorus]

[Verse Three:]

Bury me smilin'
with G's in my pocket
Have a party at my funeral
Let every rapper rock it
Let tha hoes that I usta know
from way before
Kiss me from my head to my toe
Give me a paper and a pen
So I can write about my life of sin
A couple bottles of Gin
In case I don't get in
Tell all my people i'm a Ridah
Nobody cries when we die
we outlaws, let me ride
until I get free
I live my life in tha fast lane
got police chasen me
to my niggas from old blocks
from old crews
niggas that guided me through
back in tha old school
Pour out some liquor
Have a toast for tha homies
See we both gotta die but ya chose to go before me
And brothas miss ya while your gone
You left your ***** on his own
How long we mourn
Life goes on

[Chorus repeats to end]
[sung overtop repeating chorus]

Life goes on homie
gone on, cause they passed away
Niggas doin' life
Niggas doin' 50 and 60 years and shit
I feel ya *****, trust me
I feel ya
You know what I mean
Last year
We poured out liquor for ya
This year *****, life goes on
We're gonna clock now
Get money
Evade bitches
Evade tricks
Give players plenty space
And basicaly just represent for you baby
Next time you see your niggas
We're gonna be on top *****
You're gonna be like,
Goddamn, them niggas came up'
That's right baby
Life goes on
and we up out this bitch
hey Kato, Mental
Y'all niggas make sure it's popin' when we get up there
Don't front.

Personally I don't see it as being any different to what svart just described bud but each to their own.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Metallica seek & destroy.

Johnny cash(was it?) - "i cut my wrists today just to see if i feel" etc.

Beatles - yellow submarine, telling about how cool drugs are.

No matter the genre, no matter the music you like, they all got the same stuff in them at some way.

Would like to hear what the rap hating community listens to, just so you can show us what exactly is "better" then this "homie shooting cronic taking sh*t"?

EDIT: By the way, i listen to metal/rap/pop even. So no, i'm no homie who needs to represent.

 

[kirennia]

Metallica seek & destroy.

Johnny cash(was it?) - "i cut my wrists today just to see if i feel" etc.

Beatles - yellow submarine, telling about how cool drugs are.

No matter the genre, no matter the music you like, they all got the same stuff in them at some way.

Would like to hear what the rap hating community listens to, just so you can show us what exactly is "better" then this "homie shooting cronic taking sh*t"?

EDIT: By the way, i listen to metal/rap/pop even. So no, i'm no homie who needs to represent.

pink floyd - time
Aerosmith - 10 inch record
Chilis - Snow Hey Oh

Those are the last 3 songs I've listened to. I listen to a hell of a lot of different music though, just in a smily mood atm

 

[Everz]

Metallica seek & destroy.

Johnny cash(was it?) - "i cut my wrists today just to see if i feel" etc.

Beatles - yellow submarine, telling about how cool drugs are.

No matter the genre, no matter the music you like, they all got the same stuff in them at some way.

Would like to hear what the rap hating community listens to, just so you can show us what exactly is "better" then this "homie shooting cronic taking sh*t"?

EDIT: By the way, i listen to metal/rap/pop even. So no, i'm no homie who needs to represent.

well said

im pretty much the same, i do not mind listening to any music, as long as the lyrics arent a bunch of crap.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Would like to hear what the rap hating community listens to, just so you can show us what exactly is "better" then this "homie shooting cronic taking sh*t"?

I'm not really rap-hating. Just don't like the music, and I think it's pushed too much on the radio and tv.
I'll give it a go anyway though.
Currently the following CD's are in my playlist:

Bruce Springsteen - Greatest Hits
Dire Straits - The Best Of Dire Straits & Mark Knopfler
Trans-siberian Orchestra
Antony And The Johnsons - I Am A Bird Now
Gare Du Nord - Excellounge
St. Germain - Tourist

 

[Everz]

I'm not really rap-hating. Just don't like the music, and I think it's pushed too much on the radio and tv.
I'll give it a go anyway though.
Currently the following CD's are in my playlist:

Bruce Springsteen - Greatest Hits
Dire Straits - The Best Of Dire Straits & Mark Knopfler
Trans-siberian Orchestra
Antony And The Johnsons - I Am A Bird Now
Gare Du Nord - Excellounge
St. Germain - Tourist

Nice list ;p

whats pushed on TV is the 50 cent/Radio etc crap which pretty much many who like rap dislike, its crap songs, crap lyrics nothing behind it but the though of selling some records..

its rare you ever hear many great raps songs on the radio ;/

 

[fl3a]

Johnny cash(was it?) - "i cut my wrists today just to see if i feel" etc.

'i shot a man in reno, just to watch him die' or 'i hurt myself today, to see if i still feel', the first being from one of his own songs and the latter being from a NIN cover.

on topic though, 2pac as a mainstream artist made gangsta rap. most of the time. and while the lyrics might be in some places of the 'smoking dope, killing niggas and slapping bitches' type not all of his are like that. yes, he did lots of marijuana and drank a lot, which was one of his vices - not uncommon among human beings. but also he created lyrics and poems, which were completely different from the mainstream stuff he created - and beautiful, but it was mostly released posthumously. also, in interviews you can hear his comments on the 'smoke dope kill niggas and fuck hoes' issue and the rap communitys views. and they are, i would say, the same or even more critical than of the people who are considered good and white.
yes, the beatles and elvis are probably just as worthy of recognition as tupac shakur, but due to images that have been created by both the artists themselves and the media it might not seem true.

and just so you know, i dont listen to rap. i used to listen to 2pac, a few years ago. but not other rap.

 

[scarloc]

Would be interesting to see if he made more sales before or after he kicked the bucket

 

[Sharma]

I think my views are a bit 50/50, Tupac did some alright stuff, but from what I see, he's not a legend alongside Elvis, Beatles etc, but then again I'd still say my view is tainted from the music I generally listen to.

He could sing remarkably well for a rapper I have to give him that though, of course he did seem to do the odd bit of gangster rap, but I do like some of his songs as they're generally mellow and make for easy listening.

The rap of today seems to have taken what TuPac gave to the genre, twisted it, shit on it and buried it upside down, 50 cent and such is laughable.

"Yo yo yo I got shot 9 times and still lived cause im ard me and I was a dealer"
He's even had a game made featuring him which screams the only reason he's in the scene is to look cool and sound 'ard.

I do think a lot of the views about TuPac, mainly the ones against him are unjust, I'm mainly a rocker yet I can respect what people think of him, He sang about his day to day life and considering where his background was, a lot of it was quite true, have any of you been to Queens or the Bronx in New York? It's a really run down area but has some really violent confrontations, but in those areas, that's just life.

I respect him and everything but I'm not signing the petition merely because I don't particulary listen to that sort of music and I don't picture him being that much of a legend.

I respect the man though.

 

[Sparx]

well i wouldnt say that rap isnt music afterall alot of you ppl here tell me that my taste in music (hard house, trance funk) isnt real music so seems theres some hypocrites etc here.

It isnt my taste in music but each to their own

 

[Sharma]

I used to listen to hard house, I still listen to Trance, and I love funk (What better stuff to play on bass).

Only music that shouldnt be music is general pop (People who don't write their own songs and still sell records should be shot), and the weird rave stuff with helium voices and 300-400BPM beats, oh and gangsta fo'sho my brutha n mah hoes stuff (I saw Usher's latest video and he's flashing this big gold neck chain every 5 seconds giving off the message 'LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY I HAVE MATES')

That is not real music.

Everything else i'll gladly excuse.

 

[Overdriven]

Johnny cash(was it?) - "i cut my wrists today just to see if i feel" etc.

Nine Inch Nails.



No point me posting, Inga & Tot posted my opinions.


For his genré he was a legend, other than that... *Shrug* (Yes, I did watch the documentory on him about 8 years ago too)

 

[Turran]

Get some real music on! I hate all the rap shite, the music isn't even real... it's made on a PC... And for the lyrics, well do i need to say anything.

 

[adoNix]

"Tupac Shakur can easily be placed under the same category as Elvis Presley, The Beatles and The Rolling Stones"

LOL, no he can't. Tupac Shakur is a classic example of death giving fans an excuse to make someone seem far more important than they were when they were alive; same as Jimi Hendrix (most over-rated guitarist ever), Kurt Cobain (had already started the creative burn-out and would have been washed up within 2 years), etc. etc. A hundred different versions of the same old "Yo yo yo, me and my muthafucking homies smoke lots of dope, fuck lots of bitches and shoot lots of cops" bollocks over and over on top of sampled bits of other people's fucking music does not make you some sort of creative genius.

I actually don't have anything in particular against rap as a music form - it's just like any other kind of music, 85% of it is derivative shit, 10% is good and 5% can be amazing - but trying to put Tupac Shakur up there as an all-time musical icon on a par with Elvis and The Beatles is self-delusion at its finest. And I don't even like Elvis or The Beatles

You pretty much said what i was going to say.. only better

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Svartmetall again.

Get some real music on! I hate all the rap shite, the music isn't even real... it's made on a PC... And for the lyrics, well do i need to say anything.

Wel.. i've seen several rap artists live with bands playing their beats, so that isnt really a reason to hate rap.

 

[soze]

Get some real music on! I hate all the rap shite, the music isn't even real... it's made on a PC... And for the lyrics, well do i need to say anything.

You don't need to say anything but you could try listening to some of the lyrics.

 

[Turran]

You don't need to say anything but you could try listening to some of the lyrics.

What about how they grew up how awful it was, so i sing my heart out how i take drugs sleep with woman etc

 

[Dudley52]

How about listening to some PUNK! Propper PUNK!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_BvLCv90gGQ&mode=related&search=

 

[Overdriven]

What about how they grew up how awful it was, so i sing my heart out how i take drugs sleep with woman etc

You're a idiot.


Listen to some of it, not even I'm that stupid.

 

[Everz]

What about how they grew up how awful it was, so i sing my heart out how i take drugs sleep with woman etc

i knew you were clueless, but not this clueless..

 

[Bugz]

What about how they grew up how awful it was, so i sing my heart out how i take drugs sleep with woman etc

lol...

I could pwn you for about an hour's read.

But i cba.

 

[Everz]

How people can evangelise a guy with a very dubious past is beyond me. He was involved in a number of 'incidents' over the years and in my opinion the entertainment industry shouldn't be extoling the virtues of someone with such a shady past.

fyi the media portrayed that was the past he had, they never commented on the good things he did such as

Spoiler

The media always portrayed Tupac as a bad guy, in reality this is far from the case. You don't need to look any farther than songs like Brenda's Got a Baby and Dear Mama to know Tupac had a gentle side.

The CD cover to the Makaveli CD depicts Tupac on a cross. This was meant to show his crucification by the media. He said "the media wants to show is one side, which is distorted. That's a distorted view. If they would show the good things and the bad things, I would have no complaints, and it would even make them look better. When you just show me doing all this bad stuff, then people gonna just start thinking like 'Wait a minute, this dude can't be doing all this bad stuff.' I mean, come on. They don't show nothing else. So it's really helpin' me, cause it's making it look one-sided and untrue. I'm not gonna harp on everything that's unfair, cause life is unfair. Nobody said it's gonna be easy or fair."

In most of his songs despite violence, he's portraying the life style that exists. He had dreams of changing the world and making it a far better place. When the world lost Tupac they lost more than a rapper, they also lost all the good things he had planned for the community. In a world where there's people who are extremely rich, and extremely poor, there needs to be more people like Tupac. If the rich helped the ghetto's and lower class suburbs, the world would be a much better place.

Some little known facts about Tupac:

* The parents of a dying boy wrote to Tupac telling him their kid's last wish was to meet him. Tupac flew to his side in Maryland, and after the boy died, he renamed his publishing company Joshua's Dream.
* Tupac helped pass out 850 toys to kids at Foster Elementary School in Compton.
* On Thanksgiving, Death Row paid for free food to be passed out on the block of a South Central L.A. community center at 11 a.m. Tupac helped pass out $400,000 worth of turkeys.
* Tupac took the step daughter of a murdered friend to her prom.
* Tupac went to the House of Blues and noticed there was nobody dancing with a woman in a wheelchair. He danced with her for four hours.

He planned on getting involved in politics. In an interview he stated "by the next election I promise I'm gonna be sittin' across from all the candidates. I bet you, I promise you I gonna be so far from where I am now in four years. God willing I'm alive. If so I guarantee you we will have our own political party. And it won't be just for black people, it's gonna be for Mexicans, for Americans, all you lost-tribe muthaf*ckas. It's gonna be for black people, it's gonna be for all medians. We need to have our own political party cause we all at the same motherf*ckin' problem. We built this nation and we get none of the benefits."

Tupac had set up a company called Euphanasia to develop movie projects and help finance such community-minded projects as a center for at-risk youth, inner-city sports teams, and a toll-free number through which troubled kids could reach him. He had Yaasmyn Fula come to L.A. to run it with Molly Monjouze. Yaasmyn tried to organize Tupac's business affairs, and Molly did his financing for an at risk youth center, the bankrolling of year round South Central sports teams, and the setting up of an 800 number that would allow kids to call him when they had a problem. He also had another company called 24/7, for his music and video work, the scripts he was writing. He also planned on doing free concerts for schools and the only way you could get in was to have at least a C average. He also wanted to start a little youth league in California, a Pop Warner League, except the rappers fund it and kids need at least a C average to play. He was also working on funding a chain of day care centers.

In many songs he mentions having a "plan", and says things like, plotting and planning a life of better things. I believe this is what he's referring to.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Actually johnny cash hurts himself in the original too. Check it out

What i meant with metallicas seek & destroy etc, is that all genres have "bad" influence lyrics, so the debate on a bad message should be left out also.

 

[Thorwyn]

Ok... my 50Cent (muahhahaa.. *slaps his lap and hopes that this silly pun hasn´t been made by someone else already*)

Personally, I quite like rap. I like it since the very beginning waaaaay back in the days. It may not be the most creative and musically challenging thing, but I´m still listening to it from time to time.
Although I can´t say I really know a lot about Tupac, I´d say that giving him a spot on the Walk of Fame is fine by me. I mean.. if there are enough people voting for it (and seeing him as an artist of that calibre), so be it.

However, he is NEVER in the same category as the Stones and the Beatles. Sorry, but it´s not the same league. [juleswinnfieldvoice]It´s not even the same f*cking sport[/juleswinnfieldvoice]. I think comparing him to those bands is a bit out of proportion.

 

[Calaen]

Tupacs problem was he felt sorry for himself, you can hear it in his songs all he sings about is how bad he has been treated.

Some good enough songs but I doubt he was a clean cut guy himself, so I dont really give a shit waste of a petition go sign something worthwhile like the get Firefly back on air one

 

[Gamah]

Get some real music on! I hate all the rap shite, the music isn't even real... it's made on a PC... And for the lyrics, well do i need to say anything.

lol you're a twat, I dislike rap but you're talking out of your anus. Sounds compiled on a multimeida platform IS NOT REAL MUSIC!!11 hahaha! What do you think happens in recording stuidos for every type of music? You may want to stay in the fucking 50's but the rest of the world has moved on.

 

[Svartmetall]

go sign something worthwhile like the get Firefly back on air one

Now that's something we should all be able to agree on