Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Raven]

Muslim colleague, years ago, used to live on smokey bacon crisps. No bacon in them.

 

[Tom]

Hedgehog flavour crisps all over again. It's just Telegraph bollocks. The EU is clarifying what foods are what - so steak has to be meat. A snack association is worried that this might include crisps. But crisps are vegetables with flavouring added, so all crisp manufacturers would do is rebrand as "bacon flavour crisps" rather than "bacon crisps".

It's pure tabloid nonsense pushed by the likes of the Mail, Express, Sun etc.

 

[Embattle]

Surely not the DailyMail:

Smoky bacon crisps facing ban in Andy Burnham's Brexit reset

The popular snack will be outlawed by a planned EU clampdown on the use of meat-based descriptions for vegetarian products.

www.dailymail.com

Popular British condiments that disappeared from pubs and supermarkets

Most Britons simply wouldn't dream of tucking into a fish and chips or burger without a generous helping of ketchup or mayonnaise.

www.dailymail.com

 

[Scouse]

The EU is clarifying what foods are what - so steak has to be meat.

I know why they're doing it. But people have an emotional connection to these things.

It's food for the Brexiteers. And being told to "get a life" might keep labour voters happy, but it doesn't show they're governing for all, eh?

Kick 'em. They kick back.

Have we learned nothing?

 

[Embattle]

Such people rarely think logically or beyond the headline. I'm not sure some long explanation would help.

 

[Gwadien]

I for one want to see some bacon fries banners at protests.

 

[Scouse]

We'd probably lock the protestors up for being antisemitic.

 

[Scouse]

Building on green belt, opening up oil drilling, watering down EV targets, weakening environmental legislation - now Labour are officially in favour of a third runway at Heathrow.

Do they have any environmental credibility left at all?

 

[Raven]

I am not that fussed about EV targets, most people do not have the access to charge a car from home. Some dickhead on my street drapes a cabe accross the path so they can charge their wankpanzer. I cannot wait for someone to trip on it and sue them. The cart before the horse never works.

Sockets need to be put into the curb on all "parking" roads, but that would cost billions.

 

[DaGaffer]

I am not that fussed about EV targets, most people do not have the access to charge a car from home. Some dickhead on my street drapes a cabe accross the path so they can charge their wankpanzer. I cannot wait for someone to trip on it and sue them. The cart before the horse never works.

Sockets need to be put into the curb on all "parking" roads, but that would cost billions.

The UK already has about 40,000 on street charging points in service, about half in street lamps.

I don't know how many of these things the UK actually needs, but It's definitely a solvable problem.

Main problem with relying on street or any commercial EV charging is cost; home charging is slow but cheap, especially on a night tariff.

 

[Tom]

We don't all need car charging ports at home. We just need most public or private car parks to have them. Most cars sit around doing nothing most of their lives. If you're parked at work for 6 hours, it should be charging there - not on the street outside your home.

And too many folks are looking at EVs as though their only benefit is they're cheaper to run. But that isn't true. They're simply better - quieter, smoother, easier to maintain, more reliable, and much, much better for the environment. Including peoples' lungs.

 

[DaGaffer]

We don't all need car charging ports at home.

See above, it's much cheaper to charge at home.

We just need most public or private car parks to have them. Most cars sit around doing nothing most of their lives. If you're parked at work for 6 hours, it should be charging there - not on the street outside your home.

As EV adoption grows the problem is the ratio of EV-enabled car parking slots to non. And see above re cost; almost no company charging spots are free or even subsidised.

And too many folks are looking at EVs as though their only benefit is they're cheaper to run. But that isn't true. They're simply better - quieter, smoother, easier to maintain, more reliable, and much, much better for the environment. Including peoples' lungs.

Yes but they're also more expensive to buy and suffer much worse depreciation.

I'm actually all for EVs, I think most of the anti-arguments are silly, irrational or debunked, but, that doesn't mean there are no problems with them and that everything's been solved, far from it.

 

[Scouse]

I'm actually all for EVs, I think most of the anti-arguments are silly, irrational or debunked, but, that doesn't mean there are no problems with them and that everything's been solved, far from it.

Yeah. Home charging is a no brainer (can think of loads of reasons why - not least that lots of people's lives don't revolve around going into an office car park or multistory - for rural specifically the lack of home charging would be disastrous, but that's a relatively easy fix (capacity issues notwithstanding).

Environmentally, you have to drive your car right into the ground before getting an EV. Rapid uptake without taking that into account is not good at all. More than half of emissions are on the build side. (Unless we're talking a carbon sunk cost fallacy - and we simply need to ditch old tech to halve future emissions, which, thinking about it, I suspect to be the case).

I still have range anxiety/useability issues for my specific use cases tho. Far to long to charge and (outside of work) the places I go in my car tend not to have buildings, never mind charging infrastructure