Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Scouse]

I'd also like the hidden costs covered - like children who remain at home to look after their parents - and who aren't recompensed for it.

I don't think we should be paying family for doing what family has done since humans evolved.

It's only recently that we split up family groups wholesale. Hunter gatherer societies look at what we do as madness.

If you can make the moral case for this, then fine. But what would you cut to fund it?

 

[Tom]

I wouldn't cut anything. That's the kind of churlish point always made on news interviews and it ignores the fact that good investment generates more tax. Investing in people, even if they're just caring for family members, will do the same.

 

[Scouse]

good investment generates more tax. Investing in people, even if they're just caring for family members, will do the same.

Please to be explaining how paying people to stay at home is going to generate more tax? How does this work, exactly? Where's the tax receipts for this coming from?

I think this is a nice soundbite. Warm and fluffy platitudes. But that's all it is.

However, I am totally up for being educated.

 

[Gwadien]

Diane Abbott readmitted into Labour Party after suspension

The long-serving MP apologises for past comments and says she has been issued with a "formal warning".

www.bbc.co.uk

I like that Diane Abbott is the headline here, not the other MP who's husband was arrested on Chinese spying charges - she should fall on her sword, or forced to be tbh.

 

[Embattle]

Diane Abbott readmitted into Labour Party after suspension

The long-serving MP apologises for past comments and says she has been issued with a "formal warning".

www.bbc.co.uk

I like that Diane Abbott is the headline here, not the other MP who's husband was arrested on Chinese spying charges - she should fall on her sword, or forced to be tbh.

That's good, because I'm fairly sure if Diane Abbot was made to fall on her sword, she would miss.

 

[Gwadien]

That's good, because I'm fairly sure if Diane Abbot was made to fall on her sword, she would miss.

Thanks for making point, one is a harmless old woman that has done some weird stuff, whereas the other one is probably a bit more important?

 

[Raven]

She is a danger to herself, I have no idea how such a complete simpleton got anywhere near politics.

 

[Deebs]

Tell you what if DA became a senior Councillor or something in @Scouse 's area he would be on here whinging like a madman and walking around Cardiff with a placard.

 

[Tom]

Please to be explaining how paying people to stay at home is going to generate more tax? How does this work, exactly? Where's the tax receipts for this coming from?

I think this is a nice soundbite. Warm and fluffy platitudes. But that's all it is.

However, I am totally up for being educated.

You're not paying them to stay home, you're paying them to care for a relative. The alternative is, the carer says "fuck this" and goes to work, and the state then has to provide its own carer.

I don't know why you're being like this and I think I'll stop replying to your posts now.

 

[Scouse]

You're not paying them to stay home, you're paying them to care for a relative. The alternative is, the carer says "fuck this" and goes to work, and the state then has to provide its own carer.

I don't know why you're being like this and I think I'll stop replying to your posts now.

I know. But me and my sister who cared for a relative with severe mobility issues and dementia didn't get paid.

My auntie died two days ago. Her daughter had her living with her, she had severe mobility issues and COPD. Just died of renal, heart and respiritory failure. My cousin was her carer, and held down a job.

So I'm not "being like" anything - I've been living it - just like millions of others.

And, strangely, I don't support spending our taxes on payments to people like my sister and my cousin. The money is better spent elsewhere.

And I'm not supportive of a raft of increasing benefit payments.

Life is sometimes hard for individuals. It's not always government or society's job to make it easy - because any action comes at a cost somewhere else.

If this is too difficult a debate for you then fine. But, like everyone else, I'm a human with family.

 

[Gwadien]

I'm a human with family.

Which is strange since you spent lots of time talking about how estranged you are from your family...

 

[Embattle]

Modern life is nothing like it used to be. Even when I was young, you could see changes happening within the family unit.

 

[Scouse]

Which is strange since you spent lots of time talking about how estranged you are from your family...

Didn't like my mum. She was a cunt.

Still cared for her until she died.

Rest of family (and there are a lot - one of my grandads had at least 6 kids) get on like a house on fire.

If that's all you can say to the post I made I'll take it that you too find conversations about financial reality difficult, and would prefer to say "more tax" "more benefits" to all societies problems.

 

[Raven]

Modern life is nothing like it used to be. Even when I was young, you could see changes happening within the family unit.

I come from a pretty old-fashioned family, in that my gran cared for my Great Grandad, who died in his home, happy. She didn't work, she looked after the home and the kids, while my Grandad, a machinist, brought in the money, 3-bed house, 2 cars, holiday every year. My Grandad went into a home, and had to sell his home to fund it, he died miserable and poor, the state bled him dry. My mum was alone, but even if my dad was still around, could not have afforded to leave work to look after him.

Sell up before you die, leave everything in trust, long before you die.

Like I say, I am happy to contribute my fair share, but I am getting increasingly fucked off with having to fund the feckless. We need genuine care for our elderly and sick, but then we should ALL pay the same for it. True socialism is based on everyone pulling their weight, if able, it does no equal people getting something for nothing.

Being a bit sad is not an excuse to not work. My wife has chronic depression and anxiety (ups and downs, but the downs are trenches) and she works.

 

[Raven]

We have been having a few conversations about this stuff recently. My wife's dad has Parkinsons, and her brother has serious mental health issues. I have agreed, because it is my duty, to sell up and move back down to Farnborough at some point, so that my wife can care for them. We aren't sure what that looks like at the moment, whether we pool everything and buy something bigger, but it's going to happen. I don't necessarily like it, but it is what it is.

 

[Gwadien]

George Finch is the David Brent of politics, he's brilliant.