10 Reasons why sbs/assassins are finished for now.

[Framfall]

hey pre NF everything was fair for SBs.

LA was fine, end regen was fine, unlimited SH was fine, yoooo! xD

Then why did you whine so much back then? if all was fine? and your payback did come all the time in form of nerfs on all 3 things.

The baby that cries hardest gets fed.

****.

 

[tookha]

Read the bible for crying out loud

No?

 

[Framfall]

WHINGE U FEKKERS LIKE U NEVER WHINGED BEFORE!!!!!!!! i hope u get ur balance, jus like i had to wait a year for it, heres to the next 300+ days. Cry me a River you slags. i fking h8 u lot, ur such whingers, the only thing thats changed around here is that i see u same time as u see me. and in the past u called me a fking wall leacher and an adder(but i never moaned about it, ever!), well come fking get some u fking piece of shit crying lesbions, (xcept the ones that had nice stuff to say about me, like varg and sala, who rock). i hope u quit. cos lets face it. its too hard for u now u dont have scouts to pick on aint it. u whinging gits. and to think u had this seehidden for a year and could see us far further than mos5. and ur whinging about it. whinge whinge whinge. whinging *&%&*.

and yup, u SB are as crap as i allways suspected, no PA CD= crap. crap crap crap.

seriously tho guys, adapt. archers had to, itll come round in the end, stick it out. dont leave, i need my buzz....... whingers!

soz if i offend anyone thats just 1 year of hell, completely off my chest, i have no more to say.

You scouts adapted with....RUNNING.

SB's don't have the same luxury as you firing into clipping range for 600+ damage.

You didnt adapt one shit meighty.

 

[Jaapi]

WHINGE U FEKKERS LIKE U NEVER WHINGED BEFORE!!!!!!!! i hope u get ur balance, jus like i had to wait a year for it.

I seriously hope that you understand the fact that you didn't get it.

 

[Edaemos]

I bet 99% or even all the assasins whining in this thread invested points in see-hidden at some point, why? because it guarenteed easy rp's and the jump on archers everytime. Now your easy rp's have been taken away you whine, well jox i for one find your whine funny, i bet you had SH pre camo when you could see archers at clipping range, and afterwards also, and i bet SH contributed to alot of your realm points.

Enjoy NF, as all the new ranger and scouts get higher RR they will enjoy seeking revenge.

 

[censi]

hes right....

its totally unbalanced....

was totally unbalanced before....

will be totally unbalanced when they implement a patch to balance the unbalance.

Its like a see saw.... With a 10 ton weight on one end (being the archer) and a feather on the other end (the assasin) and this see saw has a white cloth over it and has been stored down in the celar out of view.

Eventually mythic will look at the see saw and think "christ thats tipping far to much in one direction" and go plonk a 20 ton weight on the assasin end and go back upstairs to watch TV without even watching if the see saw falls level.

You cant grumble though jox, you had like 2 years of being a 20 ton weight, you will prolly get about 6 more months before mythic go wading in with the 40 ton weight

anyway enough whining its just a game. annoying as it may be...

 

[Splendid]

Yea vanish rocks twice tonight i have hit vanish and still been hit by scouts arrows uke:

 

[Aussie]

Yea vanish rocks twice tonight i have hit vanish and still been hit by scouts arrows uke:

mayhaps learn how arrows work before you cry

 

[Splendid]

Where am i crying -yet another useless post by your good self-simply pointing out that vanish aint as good as what some people make out.

 

[Kinad]

Archer vs assasin not that unbalaced, but now assasins actually
has to pay rps use decent items and play with skill.

Assasins need to buy as much MoS as they can afford, simply so they dont get say slam/FZ against them.
Any assasin should have a charge of some sort to interrupt.
A very good weapon would indeed be traitors or maybe a ml10 item to prevent
shots from FZ. Low damage but a lifesaver.
Assasins should think twice to just run after an archer because of back FZ.
.....

Well list of stuff to fight archers with probaly much longer, and i do think assasins have a much harder time now, but its not imposibel. It probaly requires same kind of effort archers used to do to survive. 2 heat weapons
and here i come just dont cut it anymore.

FZ probaly nerfed to 15 min in 1.73 which seems a little help since archers
cant attack so often unless its up.

My point is archers not freebies anymore, an assasin who wants to fight us better come prepared.

 

[Solarius]

FZ probaly nerfed to 15 min in 1.73 which seems a little help since archers
cant attack so often unless its up.

Are you saying that you, as an archer, won't attack anything unless FZ is up?

So you won't attack unless you have a 10s unresistable, unpurgable stun up? And beleive me, this is why I think FZ needs a nerf. Not an increase of it's timer, the timer is higher than the immunity timer for regular stuns, so I've no problem with that. It's that there is NO WAY to avoid getting zephyred, nor is there any way to stop it's effect.

But, due to the way FZ works, making it purgable or resistable may not be possible, so instead they should make any attack that is made against a zephyred target hit the zephyr instead, same as making any attack against a grappled target hit the grappler/both targets.

 

[Dorin]

archers are almost back where they were at retail start.

stealth (good one sort of), ubor ranged dmg, zergs - sieges (cant see, cant touch COOL!, bots will cure ns if that happens somehow), no fear from assassins, pbt aint stoping arrows, only guard as a life saver (till scout realises he needs to change target)

cool.

wondering how will mythic fix this, probably something like perma see hidden, rly loved that on my ranger when it went live :x

 

[Glottis]

What a load of bollocks...
Zypher is uber (and being nerfed).
And yes, See Hidden was insane, and yes, Jox had SH since the start, till the very end. Along with stealthzerging it is how he got his rp's...
And while you guys talk about imbalances, think of all the free RP's those assasins with SH made... Then realise that MoS is in no way close to SH's uberness, and then also realise that Zypher is being nerfed about 8 times as fast as SH ever was...
Assasins allways have had it easy, and allways will.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Solarius]

What a load of bollocks...
Zypher is uber (and being nerfed).
And yes, See Hidden was insane, and yes, Jox had SH since the start, till the very end. Along with stealthzerging it is how he got his rp's...
And while you guys talk about imbalances, think of all the free RP's those assasins with SH made... Then realise that MoS is in no way close to SH's uberness, and then also realise that Zypher is being nerfed about 8 times as fast as SH ever was...
Assasins allways have had it easy, and allways will.
Regards, Glottis

And Glottis manages to sum up EXACTLY what I was trying to say in my earlier post. "Because Jox had SH and SH was so unfair to me, I deserve to be untouchable now!"

And as for saying Assassins have always had it easy, think back to release. Assassins were amongst the worst classes to play, archers dominated the frontiers with total impunity.

Take a step back and look at the REAL picture for a moment. Archers are generating as much whine from everyone else, both here and in the states, as any other class has been able to. Whats going to happen when Mythic finally caves in to the pressure and does something about it? Would you rather they react in the normal way, squashing the archer classes back down to the post-Archer nerf status? Or would you rather take an active role in determining that balance. I've stated the same thing on VNBoards.

It's unfortunate that in Europe we play a far less active role in class balance, but even more unfortunate that most people, EU and US can't see past their own class and selfish whims.

 

[Jergiot]

jox u forgot useless ML lines.

plz compare Soj/BL to the rest of the ML lines. what a fucking joke. (perfecter is decent)

 

[Nemue]

1. Frontier is all about range, it couldnt get better for snipers than this.
2. The way MoS works; Snipers with MoS > Assassins with MoS.
3. All snipers got free getaway-cards while sbs got Shadowstrike :/
4. FZ.
5. Its way too many snipers around, attack one, get attacked by 5.
6. The loss of MoA, DR and RoF.
7. Climb-points are too few and too hard to find(especially in drunk-mode).
8. Towers have no climb-points
9. TS-guards.
10. Hysterical guards everywhere.

1. so true, pop 1 archer and his 7 m8 all rush in and compete about who can shieldslam u first, then plunked for 500dmg/arrow and ur dead before FZ even get to pick u up.

2. this is actually the point i find most amusing tbh, in its current incarnation, classes who has the "detect hidden" ability, has worse stealth detection than archers that doesnt have detect hidden. Mythic really has a thing for logic ^^

3. what sux the most is that the sideeffect from archers free getaway card can be purged, and thus the getaway ability becomes an offensive ability, and not a thing an assassin can do about it :<, for those who claim Vanish is the assassins get-away ability is really clueless. As a medium/high MoS archer, u will see a vanished assassin 2 seconds after he used vanish, and once the assassin is found he is free RPs, as he cant fight back. non-MoS classes just have to pop stealthlore to gain the same effect. Vanish is an utter bollox ability atm, and works like 30% of the time, tops. Even npc's reaggro you most of the time after u use it

4. neednt comment FZ, everyone know just how insanly overpowered it is.

5. really got to love how archers enjoy the game, there is such a challenge to stand in clusters of 20 and wait for the soloassassin to try his luck vs one of them.

6. not too fussed about this tho, gained viper, which is a nice ability, and very underrated at that.

7. not only are the climbpoints hard to find, but once u find one u can be sure theres 5 anti-stealth NPCs guarding it along with a DoTmine. not to mention guards running thru walls to attack u.

8. assassins is such a waste of space in a towersiege, as a NS we got our powerful DDs to play with ^^, tried to nuke an AFK buffbot to death inside a keep the other day btw, nuking from the wall i ran out of mana when the bot was at 55% health. strong magics!!

9. Not only perma cliprange truesight, but the bloody things snare u aswell

10. guards running thru walls is such a great idea by mythic, guards nuking and shooting arrows at u without LoS is anotherone of mythics great ideas. And aggro one guard, and all the guards in the zone home in and run to attack u \o/

11. wont even get started on casters, 4brittleguards, bladeturn, MoC, lifetap, juggernaut/convo ml9 and pets hitting got 600/700 a hit, and in some cases also chainstunning you in the process <horray!!!>

12. RA dumping, static tempest, negative maelstorm, wall of fire, thornweed field, PBAE dirty tricks, 90% dmgabsorb, 90% evade everything, PBAE lifetap, shieldtrips with purgable sideeffects, and probably alot more.

I so totally agree with Jox, altho assassins can prey on lowrank fotms that havent got their gear together yet, assassins are truly finished in its current incarnation. I sure as hell didnt spend countless hours to equip my assassin and xping artifact, farming cash to get better items, getting masterabilities only to be able to attack and have a chance at winning vs lowerrank ppl that havent gone thru half the effort i have to get my character ready for RvR.

Survivability as an assassin atm is a joke plain and simple, and so is the assassin role in NF.

 

[Config]

Interesting how Herald describes some classes:

Nightshade

"While not physically as imposing as the other assassins of the realms, those elves and Lurikeen who choose to walk down the Way of Stealth and follow the Path of Essence depend on their quick reactions, stealth, speed and sharp wit to combat the enemies of the Hibernian Realm."


Ranger

"Their minimal stealth training is useful in hiding and sneaking around enemies in order to find the best position for a bowshot."


Shadowblade

"Shadowblades are sneaking little creatures, which lurk in the shadows and wait to stab their enemies from behind. They train heavily in the art of Stealthing and weaponry related to their roguish behavior."


Hunter

"While Hunters are neither masters of arms, archery, nor stealth, their combined abilities allow them to battle using tactics and guile over sheer brute strength."


Infiltrator

"Sneaking, hiding, and thievery are the ways of the Infiltrator. Members of the Guild of Shadows, Infiltrators are deceptive individuals, who are capable of stealth maneuvers. They rely heavily on their strong, initial stealth attacks on the enemy when fighting."


An assasin should be superior in stealth over other non assasins since we are depended on positional (closeup) based attacks, not range attacks.

Atm an assasin are like a pickpocket thief without hands or someone who is trying to score a goal in icehockey when the fattest man in the world is the goalkeeper. An assasin is not an assasin anymore... just a fact

 

[Dracus]

weaponry related to their roguish behavior.

lolol

Very roguish weapons...that rely solely on str for a dex prim class

Mythic R teh loose!§

/Dracus

 

[GrIrcSpammer]

assassins all get vanish, no? that's your getaway?

for water stuff get some alchemy potions and use them before you go near (so you don't have the reuse timer - that said I'm not sure water ones are on the same timer anyway)

its not like every1 can afford vanish doh where do u live man... there are things most important and always > once in 15 .... doh wtf do i even have to write this bs cuz u re .... "slow" ?

 

[GrIrcSpammer]

mos is bs, a stealthers ability to see/uncover another should be entirely based on the chars specced stealth level - stealth ra's have always been bs, just keep it simple imo

archers need 'toning down' across the board just for the simple fact theres just so damn many of them

at last sum1 not speaking bs >.<

 

[Glottis]

Story

Yes, archers deserve to be uber due to the grave injustice that See Hidden has been. And in the same story I tell you that MoS is less uber than See Hidden ever was, so it is not clear what an assasin is complaining about...
And while I dislike all the new noob fotm archers playing, where was everybody to help archers when SH was implemented? So you hypocrites only cry if it affects yourself, yet let archers suffer for 2 years and now expect sympathy.

And how the hell can assasins be hard to play, when at the start of the game you could one shot people without losing stealth?! If you want to bring up sweet memories, bring them all up please.
Regards, Glottis

 

[censi]

I am also stuggling to find jox's OF post whining about how overpowered SH was though. Or listing why assasins were overpowered.

it is the FOTMs that whine the loadest.

 

[Kagato]

Stealthers, such temperamental creatures.

 

[Bracken]

it is the FOTMs that whine the loadest.

Never a truer word...

 

[Dorin]

And while I dislike all the new noob fotm archers playing, where was everybody to help archers when SH was implemented?

why are they playing archers now? Wouldnt care much about the REAL archers who stuck with their chars after getting the first-second-third nerfbat. They wouldnt couse this kinda of imbalance and probably the nerf of archers, which will happen if ppl keep rerolling-playing their freshly pl-ed toaed archer toons (and trust me ppl will) as they are just over the top rightnow... just like assassins with ip and shit.

And how the hell can assasins be hard to play, when at the start of the game you could one shot people without losing stealth?! If you want to bring up sweet memories, bring them all up please.
Regards, Glottis

and how the hell can archers be hard to play, when at the start of the game archers stealth was as good as assasin ones (and WAY less assassins back then, no buffbots, no RA-s like purge so SLAM+critshot pwn), no sc, no guard, not much pbt and other juicy little things werent ingame and casters died faster then anything (who rerolled to archers/assassins after). Include your god damn toon's golden age just for once.

 

[Meradesh]

archers need 'toning down' across the board just for the simple fact theres just so damn many of them

I can only see loads of sorcs & cabba nerf em too ? =)

 

[Whisperess]

Never a truer word...

but... but... loadest isn't even a word

On a more serious note; no class deserves to be über just because of injustices in the past. The only thing that will do is nourish even more injustices. Brought up/down to par is an entirely different matter.

Shadowblades however, aren't finished. Would be nice to get some of the more outstanding issues tweaked though.

 

[Jox]

I am also stuggling to find jox's OF post whining about how overpowered SH was though. Or listing why assasins were overpowered.

it is the FOTMs that whine the loadest.

1. Why would I whine about an ability that made it possible to evade heavy mincer-infil-combos and survive a bit longer? See Hidden was the only advantage we SBs had against the alb-stealth-zerg.

2. Assassins overpowered? Yes, sbs? Nope, at least not since 1.62.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish rr2-scout!
frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

And Glottis; Just close the door plz.

 

[zx^]

i never tried the golden age i bought the game and made a scout when it was gimped.. which i didnt know the meaning of the word back then

the game need balance ofc.. but most sbs/ns/infs dont know how shitty it been to be playing an archer class.. when u get stamped on beaten again and again ... shooting sbs down to 20% and get litterly humiliated that u cant beat the 20% even thou u use 200% hp (LA prenerf)

i duoed with an inf over lan a few times when SH where In ... and well the range were 20 x times worse than mos...

Yes the game needs some balancing.. yes archers r overpowered with all abilities up.. but i doubt u get much help from archers cos the Assasins never helped archers when they were oped..


all in all assasins digged their own grave, if they gave some help with the sh/La nerf(nerfed to much i hear?), then they prolly would have a bigger croud supporting them.

 

[Zeratuhl]

bet lathoniel never died at all during his time of playing i mean. wtf. the guy runs of when u str debuff him while hes on top of a tower