1.69e patch

[Mavericky]

Duskwood Immolated Bow DPS: 16.50 Delay: 5.80 available in all realm. If a scout out damages with a bow it will only be for a few points and thats because the scout spent more spec points.

ps. Give longer than 5 mins to edit a post

Slowest Mid bow is 5.4 not 5.8, and they do was more damage with a bow than any hunter can. btw my hunter has 45 (+16)in bow which isnt excatly low

 

[Tuppe]

slowest is 5.3, somekind rog drop if remember correct, was it in ML raids or some mob? not sure.
mid bows are all 0.5 faster what other realms.

early days mids had fastest bow and scout slowest, ranger middle, now ranger get slowest too.
all 3 realm has acces fastest but mids are left out from slowest.

 

[Morchaoron]

Scout: Hunters get the best melee damage of any archer class
Mythic: Scouts can spec shield
Scout: Hunters get insta pets
Mythic: Scouts can spec shield
Scout: Hunters get self buffs
Mythic: Scouts can spec shield
Scout: Hunters have speed boost to get away from people
Mythic: Scouts can spec shield
Scout: YES I KNOW I CAN SPEC SHIELD, but I hit like a wet blanket.
Mythic: Scouts can spec shield
Scout: You're not really listening are you?
Mythic: Scouts can spec shield
Scout: never mind.

thats why people play infils instead

Cleric - Enhancement Spec Line
46 Hand of God (Absorbs 85%)

OMGWTF!!!! UBER PVE SOLO!!!!!! (with buffbot ofcourse)

 

[Pudzy]

what kind spec you have? swing speed?
shield against 2h user and how many hits hunter get in?

personally see alott scouts complaining melee dmg but dont waite amazing things whit 20 spec points in weapon

ranger is best archer now, scout next and hunter somwhere behind scout.
hunter may have 2h spear but what that benefit you when all hits opposite is doing come in?
who have slowest bows and longest range?
who benefit these 2 thing most when using volley?

Since the mid/pry hunters are using red con healer aug bot haste, they're swining fast atm.

Putting archer classes in order? Get a life m8 :l

A Dwarf Hunter whining hunters are gimpier than scouts.. gimmie a break :l.

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And scouts complaining about hunters melee dmg... what about Slam->Critshot, eh??? What about my swingspeed of 4 seconds? What about you having evade 3 AND speccable shield while my only defense is evade 2? What about the defense penalty on any of my high-damage-chain styles?
Honestly, spear as a weapon sucks bigtime. If you want to do decent damage you will have to use styles that have defense penalty and with evade 2 and studded armor being your only defense you're pretty much screwed.

I would trade my spear for evade 3 and a specable shield any day! And still I would be the worst of the 3 archer classes because the other 2 have access to slower bows with greater range.

The slam>critshot combo is purged 99% of the time tbh, irrelevant of that it'd rock.

Avoid Pain doesnt get cut in half by dual weidlers like shield.

You have access to dodger so dont whine about evade 2 you should cap evade rate with buffs and some ra's anyways.

Scout have great bow damage and they suffer a fucking lot for it, they have no self buffs, they have no pet, no avoid pain and that cant just run off from a couple of stealthers, you have to use a shield style which has to be 42 spec which has no to-hit bonus vs a class with 4xx higher WS and thats based on avoiding attacks and maxing damage output. Maybe if we had somekind of get-away-spell we could afford to spec higher weapon, instead of whacking shield up which only does anything vs 1h/2h oponents(EDIT: fucking rocks vs archers), when sbs, ns's and rangers (our most common oponent) gives us -50% blockrate.

Pets for hunters are in valuable tbh, saying the line sucks? try being attacked by a blue con pet, its a complete ass to get rid of. More importantly it breaks Bladeturn and gets pet atention.

Per swing; for sure.
Over time; maybe.
Can I win vs a scout who slams and critshots me; unlikely. (Slam + critshot = 2/3 of my hps gone.)

Get Purge and AP and yes.


Think you whining hunters need to take a note from Svartur and Snorning, people who know how to, sad tho to admit, own at playing a hunter and make them very effective. They didnt get their rr from sitting on forums whining, so go kill some stuff get some Ap/Purge and learn how to play the class, tho I think scouts gimped, I'm managing fine.

 

[Jeriraa]

Yeah, and all hunters are RR8 and higher.

I'm sorry but you're post is utter crap... generalizing too much and thinking too less.

 

[Pudzy]

Might wana have another go at your reply tbh, doesnt show much 'crap' and 'utter generalisation' does it mate.

 

[Vindicator]

Since the mid/pry hunters are using red con healer aug bot haste, they're swining fast atm.

Putting archer classes in order? Get a life m8 :l

A Dwarf Hunter whining hunters are gimpier than scouts.. gimmie a break :l.

You have to consider BB's when it comes to class balance ? If so then a scout should be well ahead with Free ap 1.5 < spec AF> That is much better than haste and the fact they need to use x2 BB's to get that haste + normal BB buffs.

With a Character list as long as yours + whatever RR they are please lets not tell ppl to get a life. Im not telling you to get a life, if it made / makes you happy to get that many 50's etc then great, im happy for you. But Dont tell other ppl there sad for doing something they enjoy either, making comparasions.

Although there is alot of BS flying around this thread its not fair to just dismiss somebody's opnion. If you look at it logically and lay down the facts you can start to piece together an opnion with some fact behind it.

The slam>critshot combo is purged 99% of the time tbh, irrelevant of that it'd rock.

Avoid Pain doesnt get cut in half by dual weidlers like shield.

You have access to dodger so dont whine about evade 2 you should cap evade rate with buffs and some ra's anyways.

A Class shouldnt have to buy RA's to be balanced / succsessful. You also cant assume that every enemy you fight will have purge and have it up.

A Scout gets Spec Af, counting in BB's as you like to, which also cant be cut in half by DW.

Again you assume that a Class should have certain RA's to be balanced / Successful etc.

Scout have great bow damage , they have no self buffs, they have no pet, no avoid pain and that cant just run off from a couple of stealthers, you have to use a shield style which has to be 42 spec which has no to-hit bonus vs a class with 4xx higher WS and thats based on avoiding attacks and maxing damage output. Maybe if we had somekind of get-away-spell we could afford to spec higher weapon, instead of whacking shield up which only does anything vs 1h/2h oponents, when sbs, ns's and rangers (our most common oponent) gives us -50% blockrate.

Yes scouts have great bow damage. They spec for it, why shouldnt they.

No self buffs ? ...... Since your fond of assuming ppl will have BB's and certain RA's then why are self buffs important ? A Hunter wont use his self buffs, Just his pet, which is really nice thou. As for a Ranger, he gives up a Damage add is all and I think he can live without that since he is free to spec 30+ in Cd, which halfs your enemys chance to evade and favours fast hitters etc.

The To-hit bonus makes 0 difference for his actual chance to hit, Only his chance to Flat out miss. if he gets a penalty he increase's his base % chance to flat out miss, not modifing his Chance to hit/ miss at all. If they Stlye has a + to hit then he Increase's the Chance for his attacker to Flat out miss. In PvE you are most correct thou, it IS important then but in RvR it makes no difference and its about time ppl releaised this, your not the only 1 who didnt know this.

I will also add, you will find that scouts have there slam evaded / miss so much because they spec a patheic 20+ in base weapon spec and your chance to slam is based off your 1h ws. < It has also been suggested that its a hidden value based off Dex + shield spec but I havent been shown real data to be converted yet >

Pets for hunters are in valuable tbh, saying the line sucks? try being attacked by a blue con pet, its a complete ass to get rid of. More importantly it breaks Bladeturn and gets pet atention.



Get Purge and AP and yes.

Agreed here, Hunter pets are really a Great Asset. It wouldnt be totally out of line saying that the Hunter Beast line needs attention or isnt worth speccing very high but saying it sucks is a bit strong.

I dont agree that it breaking BT is important as hunters will fight mostly other stealthers who rarely have BT on them < minus artifacts / kind Theurg + wardens etc >. They are very nice to slap on a person and speed buff away thou and if your enemy turns to melee the pet. /face and pepper them with arrows. If he doesnt turn keep going and let that pet nibble him to death.

As for your last part, I addressed this earlier I believe.

Think you whining hunters need to take a note from Svartur and Snorning, people who know how to, sad tho to admit, own at playing a hunter and make them very effective. They didnt get their rr from sitting on forums whining, so go kill some stuff get some Ap/Purge and learn how to play the class, tho I think scouts gimped, I'm managing fine.

Ye they got Higher / middle RR when exactly ?
The same as other scouts / rangers when BB's werent common, ppl didnt have uba tweaked Si alch'd SC'd suits etc...... Dont get me wrong im sure they have earnt alot of rps from post SI and im sure they are very good hunters but judging a Class's performance based on ppl that have played a class for 2 yrs + at RR7+ doesnt really make sense.


On to the subjet I suppose thou.

IMO ofc.

If you consider BB's, which is such a tradigy etc :/. I would say,

Rangers
Scouts
Hunters

If you left BB's out of it I would say
Ranger
Hunter
Scout

A few Reason's for these choices.

When BB'D.

Rangers: Dump ther PF line totally making them a BM with Bad as Bow ^^. They use DW so make it hard for enemys to evade, can spec Slash to hurt There enemys have Still have a 5s Side Stun which you can still land if you strafe to the side of somebody < regardless of them /facing> Try it some time, I did and so have others .

They also get a nice speed buff incase they need to run away and have great bow damage with good ranger etc.

Slash resistant Armor, hallo der SB's!

And as far as RA's, while im at it : D. They get access to AP which is Uba ofc.

Scouts: Good Armor, Good lvl of Evade.

Yes its been said before and to so many scouts but ......... They get shield spec! . a 9s stun is great to have and as for end being a prob, pop a pot nps etc.

Scouts also have option of a 9s stun < soon to be 5s > with 50 Thrust and with that high WS they wouldnt miss much either.

Best Bow damage and Range of all archers.

Perma AP1.5 with Spec AF buffs, this is Insane.

Hunters: Slash weak armor :x, only evade 2.

Nice pet for Interutping archers / casters / mincers etc. They also add an attacker reducing a shield users chance to block < small shield only effected thou > or if used correctly will hit for Free every hit while the assasin trys to kill the Hunter < in his back etc >

2h for good frontload damage but over time it is negated + a penalty against Assasins and infact ppl with Evade.

A Speed Buff.

Can get AP \o/

5 races can pick, including the highest base con class in game etc. Interesting mid have fewer class's.

The unbuffed reasons I will give only for a change in Position as I think i've gone on long enough.

Reason scout drops to last is that The Hunter has High WS / Damage with a 2h while only speccing 1 line. he has base buff's and doesnt lose his pet and still gets his speed. Also Has AP while scouts were relying on BB's for there form of 'AP' so to speak.

Ranger has 5 spec lines but gains the most from them, with DW / Full set of self buffs + dmg add and a speed buff in times of trouble while being in slash resistant armor and crush weak armor which no stealther can spec its deffo a bonus .

Well There you go, sorry for such a long and informative post ^^.

 

[Ivan]

And whoever said that any given 2 class in different realm is meant to be balanced in respect to each other ??? am i missing something ?

Pudz is correct and AP 1.5 wont do much vs Ranger CD hitting at machinegun speed.

When is scout good ? in a team with others, as there is pretty much no chance to solo, or during a keep raid/defense.

 

[Aoln]

conc hate > spec af x(

 

[Pudzy]

Firstly,

My charactor list? I could do it again in the time it takes someone to get rr10 tbh on prydwen, lvling isnt hard,I think your just a completely shit pve'er, hence why you have 1 op'd soon to be nerfed class and fyi I lvld 2 of these chars only while jobless, rest I was working 7>3, not that it matters, and if I consider daoc a lifestyle, then what right do you have to tell me any different? I'm an addict, doesnt mean I have no life, and I've got the balls to admit it.

Now, being more sensible on your assesment on the classes you've never played, heres my reply.

Scouts: Good Armor, Good lvl of Evade.
Light armour, good lvl of evade.

Yes its been said before and to so many scouts but ......... They get shield spec! . a 9s stun is great to have and as for end being a prob, pop a pot nps etc.

For that stun we spec to 42 in an otherwise crap line for a stealther, since dw /-50% blockrate etc. That style (Slam) like I said before hasnt got a to-hit bonus, try landing that vs something with higher ws and higher evade, in the case they 90% of the time have purge, hi.

Scouts also have option of a 9s stun < soon to be 5s > with 50 Thrust and with that high WS they wouldnt miss much either.
We've already had enough df whines, I'm looking to kill stuff not hit with a 1h wep and an idle shield, providing i wana spec bow at all.


Best Bow damage and Range of all archers.

Perma AP1.5 with Spec AF buffs, this is Insane.
Red haste>>>>>>>>>>spec af, as Aoln just said.

Since hunters and rangers have selfbuffs and scouts dont.. you dont have much of a point with the unbuffed column.

With regards to you being a sarcastic **** with the buff/ra thing I'm not mythic, I dont test classes unbuffed, I take the facts mainly from the server I play, which is the best thing to do for me to explain my concern on the class. I really cant say you can have much of an opinion considering the fact you've played 0 of them alot, and I've played all 3 of them, scout more ofc, but noticed huge variation in the melee area's.

 

[Vindicator]

Firstly,

My charactor list? I could do it again in the time it takes someone to get rr10 tbh on prydwen, lvling isnt hard,I think your just a completely shit pve'er, hence why you have 1 op'd soon to be nerfed class and fyi I lvld 2 of these chars only while jobless, rest I was working 7>3, not that it matters, and if I consider daoc a lifestyle, then what right do you have to tell me any different? I'm an addict, doesnt mean I have no life, and I've got the balls to admit it.

Ouch hitting me where it hurts, My PvE Skillz!.

Did you even Read my responce to you? Or just interested in flaming ?

Oh and how exactly do you know how many characters I have leveled up without pl etc ? You dont have a clue do you? I have leveled more than 2 characters to 50 and even if I hadnt. What does that matter ? Does having XX amount of 50's make you seem like you know what your talking about ? No it Doesnt at all. The Fact you didnt even know about the To-hit modifer in RvR shows how little you know really and this personal attack shows how childish you can be.

Which of my Characters, which I havent listed at all, are Overpowered ? < if thats what op'd is ^^>

As for how you feel attacked or something, I even said in my post. If leveling all those characters makes you feel better, Then Great Im happy for you. But Dont tell somebody else they should get a life to making a comparasion over something. The Quote " People in Glass house's shouldnt Throw Stones" Comes to mind.

Fair play for admiting you are addicted but as long as it doesnt effect you phiscally / Mentally and you have fun then im glad and happy for you.

Since hunters and rangers have selfbuffs and scouts dont.. you dont have much of a point with the unbuffed column.

Try Reading the post again. I stated Clear the 'points' and also As you say the Hunter and Ranger have self buffs so they need to be seperated even if the scout doesnt.

With regards to you being a sarcastic **** with the buff/ra thing I'm not mythic, I dont test classes unbuffed, I take the facts mainly from the server I play, which is the best thing to do for me to explain my concern on the class. I really cant say you can have much of an opinion considering the fact you've played 0 of them alot, and I've played all 3 of them, scout more ofc, but noticed huge variation in the melee area's.

Maybe I am but really when I see the attitude being portrayed from your post it was asking for it, then again maybe not I can be 2 hard I guess. My apology on that was more trying to make a point than actually make a dig.

Again your making assumptions, I've never played them before ? Really ........ Interesting. I Played a Scout about 1 -1.5 yrs ago when they were nerfed and believe me I do know what im talking about. As for the Others, I have played a Ranger mostly Through my mate. Got a good feel for the character but mostly listened to my friend and made an opnion based on what he + his ranja mates said and what I had expericence. The correct way to actually have an opnion.

Ye Scouts suck in melee, Try speccing over 25 in your weapon as opposed to 40+ in Spear or 30+ and 20+ in CD for a Ranger. If you expect to do good damage with your melee with a spec of under 30 then you need your head looking at. Then again you dont want to kill anything with your 1h as you put it but you still moan / whine / mention that you want better melee, As there is Huge Variation. ................For a Reason.

I wont mention that you didnt even comment on the validity on the rest of my post and rebuttal's to your statements. Thats all Folks

 

[Aoln]

I have 39 thrust and hit for no different than with 29 thrust ;o

And scout 1.5years ago has changed a lot so no you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Vindicator]

I have 39 thrust and hit for no different than with 29 thrust ;o

And scout 1.5years ago has changed a lot so no you don't know what you're talking about.

Thats when he was rolled. I primary played him then but that doesnt mean I dont play him now. List Every Change from say 1 year ago to the Scout class not excluding RA's considering he was played about then also.

Oh so I dont know what Im talking about, Please inform me of my mistakes and please offer some insight into the discussion instead of just, "oh you dont know what your talkin about, neither do i but hey, you dont". Be at least constructive.

So you want to hit for Good melee damage and The best bow damage / range as well eh ?

Went for 39 Thrust. hmm please whats the rest of your spec as well please. Also how you perform against hunters and Rangers + NS / SB's with that spec 2 would be good.

Then again I could just post a 1 sentance post with, fak j00 nUbb3r I r kN0w t4ngs and u n0 d4 l337. But I prefer some sense and actual discussion unfortunatly.

 

[Fafnir]

I have 39 thrust and hit for no different than with 29 thrust ;o

And scout 1.5years ago has changed a lot so no you don't know what you're talking about.

Well you are a bigger gimp than me

 

[Pudzy]

errrr..

Ouch hitting me where it hurts, My PvE Skillz!.

Did you even Read my responce to you? Or just interested in flaming ?

Mainly flaming cos you have nfi.

Oh and how exactly do you know how many characters I have leveled up without pl etc ? You dont have a clue do you? I have leveled more than 2 characters to 50 and even if I hadnt. What does that matter ? Does having XX amount of 50's make you seem like you know what your talking about ? No it Doesnt at all. The Fact you didnt even know about the To-hit modifer in RvR shows how little you know really and this personal attack shows how childish you can be.

I would expect your MAIN to be your forum name, or similar, did a search on duskwave and got it, says shadow in ya sig, heyy stealther, hi inf etc. I pl'd 4 of my chars in total, rest I did in groups. 2 of the 4 was buffbot+tank, so was still alot of time spent.

I dont know about to-hot modifier? care to teach me oh wise ass?

Which of my Characters, which I havent listed at all, are Overpowered ? < if thats what op'd is ^^>

List them and I'll tell you retard.

As for how you feel attacked or something, I even said in my post. If leveling all those characters makes you feel better, Then Great Im happy for you. But Dont tell somebody else they should get a life to making a comparasion over something. The Quote " People in Glass house's shouldnt Throw Stones" Comes to mind.

I told someone else to get a life, because of something they said, thats got absolutely fuckall to do with you has it.

Fair play for admiting you are addicted but as long as it doesnt effect you phiscally / Mentally and you have fun then im glad and happy for you.

Thanks.

Try Reading the post again. I stated Clear the 'points' and also As you say the Hunter and Ranger have self buffs so they need to be seperated even if the scout doesnt.



Maybe I am but really when I see the attitude being portrayed from your post it was asking for it, then again maybe not I can be 2 hard I guess. My apology on that was more trying to make a point than actually make a dig.

Yea, I was dissed on a post I made, I asked them to expain why they didnt agree, just abruptly, instead I got some newbfil telling me my scout it fine.

Again your making assumptions, I've never played them before ? Really ........ Interesting. I Played a Scout about 1 -1.5 yrs ago when they were nerfed and believe me I do know what im talking about. As for the Others, I have played a Ranger mostly Through my mate. Got a good feel for the character but mostly listened to my friend and made an opnion based on what he + his ranja mates said and what I had expericence. The correct way to actually have an opnion.

YES MATE THE GAME HASNT CHANGED AT ALL IN 1.5YEARS GOOD ONE!

As for playing a fucking ranger, thats not a scout is it, so what do you think gives you the right to make assumptions without testing one properly.

Ye Scouts suck in melee, Try speccing over 25 in your weapon as opposed to 40+ in Spear or 30+ and 20+ in CD for a Ranger. If you expect to do good damage with your melee with a spec of under 30 then you need your head looking at. Then again you dont want to kill anything with your 1h as you put it but you still moan / whine / mention that you want better melee, As there is Huge Variation. ................For a Reason.

Maybe you should ask my spec you fuckign retard, you obviousely have no fucking clue tbh, yes my weps over 25, no I think your a clueless twat.

I wont mention that you didnt even comment on the validity on the rest of my post and rebuttal's to your statements. Thats all Folks

You just mentioned it, try stating clearly, not in essay size what you want my opinion on, maybe ASK some questions abotu scouts before presuming things based on what they canspec you fucking dogsdick.

 

[Jeriraa]

Welcome on my ignore list Pudzy... even my 4 year old daughter argues more reasonable than you.

 

[Tuppe]

so thats the secret, hunter need 2 bott to be competitive +RL7, thx pudz to give this advice.

just wonder what kind benefit ranger/scout get from 2 botts and RL7?
cleric and minst? buffs and cc, sos etc etc

 

[Vindicator]

Before I tear through your responce bit by bit I would like to say that the fact that you insult me so much in your reply means you have already lost, also the fact that you contiune making wild assumtions and talking about how I dont have a clue when your making some seriously clueless remarks and generally showing that you cant read and retain information. You also dont know what a debate is it seems, Just clueless flaming.

Mainly flaming cos you have nfi.

No I do not have an Infiltrator. My Name is Vindicator, I have too many 50's that I play too frequnetly to call a main but at one time I did call my first ever 50 my main. Level 50 Armsman, Vindicator. 'Shadow'Lords Society. I have been a member since pretty 5 months after release of daoc basically, hence being a Veteran Member.

Thanks for making a clueless assumtion.

I dont know about to-hot modifier? care to teach me oh wise ass?

Why would I repeat my self ? If you actually bothered to read my responce to your intial post, you would have seen that I informed you of the modifers and there effect on RvR. I thought it was explained quite well and I wasnt a smart ass when I explained it, I even went as far to give excuse / cause as to alot of ppl were not aware of this.

I told someone else to get a life, because of something they said, thats got absolutely fuckall to do with you has it.

It's on a public Forum. It's my right to have an opnion and comment on things spoken here. I, unlike you, like to discuss and debate things sensibly and dont have to resort to insults and assumtions to make my post's.

YES MATE THE GAME HASNT CHANGED AT ALL IN 1.5YEARS GOOD ONE!

As for playing a fucking ranger, thats not a scout is it, so what do you think gives you the right to make assumptions without testing one properly

List Ever Change to the Scout class in the past 1 year. Excluding RA's as I was played him during that time and occasionally after 2.

Ye a Ranger isnt a scout but then again were comparing them arent we. At least I can offer insight into both of those class's. If somebody was to offer info back at least I can have some rapour / Debate with them and in the end come out with some good points from both of us leading to the improvement of understanding each class in relation to each other. Again you ignore my statements and just flame instead.

And please, calling me a newbfil ? As I pointed out earlier i dont even play an Infil. But from reading your sig, You Do. I notice a Savage There, pure DF farm bot excuse right ? oh and that SB, post nerf yes im sure. As others on the forum will prove 2 right ? And a Merc, I noticed you went over to Pryd awhile ago as I keep an eye on both forums. So rolled Your Alb tank 2 I see. No Beserker anyway. You might want to step out of your 'glass' house before you start peppering away at ppl. If you read my other responce's at all you would get that comment btw.

Maybe you should ask my spec you fuckign retard, you obviousely have no fucking clue tbh, yes my weps over 25, no I think your a clueless twat.

Give us your spec and with that information we can start a discussion / Debate over what you feel gives you particular advantages / dis-advantages over certain specs / enemys etc. I cant offer any insight into 'YOUR' Scout if you dont give certain specs. I can offer it on my scout's Specs that he tried and with possible specs the class can get.

Thanks for the insult, Makes you seem very right imo. As somebody else said in reply, there 4 year old daughter reasons better.

You just mentioned it, try stating clearly, not in essay size what you want my opinion on, maybe ASK some questions abotu scouts before presuming things based on what they canspec you fucking dogsdick

Again not reading through my post's at all. Just Launching in with your flames. As for my attacks on the lenght of my post's. As I said I dont wish to send 2 r 3 lines of useless text that make no points and debate nothing at all. I asked plenty of questions but it seems you dont wish to answer them or didnt read them. Also you flamed jeriraa for posting a 2/3 line response, so keep it small when it suits you it seems.

As for presumming things. We all know your the master of that, not me. So please Try a rebuttal with some thought in it and leave the flames in the play ground.

Debate / Discuss
:touch:

 

[Pudzy]

Welcome on my ignore list Pudzy... even my 4 year old daughter argues more reasonable than you.

Cant say I know you to care m8..

so thats the secret, hunter need 2 bott to be competitive +RL7, thx pudz to give this advice.

just wonder what kind benefit ranger/scout get from 2 botts and RL7?
cleric and minst? buffs and cc, sos etc etc

You should stop whining and ask Kipu/Snornig/Svartur how to play tbh :/

At the end of the day, I lost my temper in alot of these posts, trying to put my point accross and got quite abusive/abrupt making myself look like a ****, I just firmly believe my class isnt balanced enough for many reasons, nomatter what anyone says I'll argue to the end of earth. Soz to anybody whos got pissed at me, just got strong opinions on this subject .

Vindi however, just posted this myself and then saw your post, i'd rather talk to you on irc/ingame about the subject cos otherwise this threads gona go on and on and on, but I do think your a prat.

 

[Sycho]

Hahahhahahahahahaahaha spec af better than conc haste xDDD

You out of your fucking mind?xD

Mota on a buffbot and % enhance can make the haste stupidly good xE

 

[Aoln]

Thats when he was rolled. I primary played him then but that doesnt mean I dont play him now. List Every Change from say 1 year ago to the Scout class not excluding RA's considering he was played about then also.

I don't have to time to go through checking and listing every change since there's been a good fair few, but it's not all about direct changes to the scout, it's about changes to every class and how the game has evolved.

Oh so I dont know what Im talking about, Please inform me of my mistakes and please offer some insight into the discussion instead of just, "oh you dont know what your talkin about, neither do i but hey, you dont". Be at least constructive.

So you want to hit for Good melee damage and The best bow damage / range as well eh ?

Only ever had a problem with melee damage pre rr6, at rr8 i fair fine imo.. but still thats rr8 :E

Went for 39 Thrust. hmm please whats the rest of your spec as well please. Also how you perform against hunters and Rangers + NS / SB's with that spec 2 would be good.

Previous specs have involved 50 longbow, 42 shield, 35ish stealth rest melee, 44longbow 42 shield ect, main spec i've used for longest was 45 longbow (when rapid fire came) 42 shield, 33 stealth rest thrust (been slash too)
But now im 39 thrust, 42 shield, 32 stealth rest bow since a short while before TOA.

Bow damage between 50 and 38 is bare minimum as is the difference in thrust damage.

With the latest 2 specs i usually perform fairly well considering i have purge, ts, Ip and full red buffs. Haven't had enough chance to try 39 thrust much since been stuck in shitty PvE.

Without high RR, experience and good items a scout will get torn the shit out of in melee no matter how high his spec is, try visiting the archer boards and finding out stuff for yourself.

Then again I could just post a 1 sentance post with, fak j00 nUbb3r I r kN0w t4ngs and u n0 d4 l337. But I prefer some sense and actual discussion unfortunatly.

Yeah, you probably could since it wouldn't be much worse than the rest of the crap you posted.

Well you are a bigger gimp than me

You wish you fat little Thane.

 

[Azurat]

Just use charges and you can have both anyway.

Problem is that there´s not that many aug healer bots around to give spec haste, and you need two boots to give both haste and specc buffs. Compared to albs that just need cleric bb to get both speccs and af.

Hunter is pretty ok at high rr, but not like you start at rr7+. Same as for nightshades they might be really nice on high rr but damn annoying to get to high rr.

 

[Pudzy]

Just use charges and you can have both anyway.

Problem is that there´s not that many aug healer bots around to give spec haste, and you need two boots to give both haste and specc buffs. Compared to albs that just need cleric bb to get both speccs and af.

Hunter is pretty ok at high rr, but not like you start at rr7+. Same as for nightshades they might be really nice on high rr but damn annoying to get to high rr.

Agree totally tbh, except change 'pretty ok' for fucking hard bastards

Good to see some old timers still around.

 

[Oro]

My first thoughts on the scooby doos for the hunters was that it rocks. It will give hunters something useful to groups AND astonishingly is in-character for the class.

Can't remember the last time I saw a change that actually fit with a class's place in the game world other than as some fix to balance. That will be a nice troublesome ability.

I also think the changes going in now are more for Frontiers, than current RvR setup though thats maybe stating the obvious.

Buff shearing is a nice idea but in the wrong place: Cabbies, Summ SMs and probably Mentalists are the people to give this to. High up on a buffbot spec is just stupid.

 

[Tuppe]

wtf i have whine here? go and read own posts and write again.
if you write here so agressive and dont read other opinions? better you make own forums and be alone there, its perfect place because nobody against your opinions.

 

[Pudzy]

wtf i have whine here? go and read own posts and write again.
if you write here so agressive and dont read other opinions? better you make own forums and be alone there, its perfect place because nobody against your opinions.

To me, this opinion was so contraversal I had to get my point accross.

personally see alott scouts complaining melee dmg but dont waite amazing things whit 20 spec points in weapon

ranger is best archer now, scout next and hunter somwhere behind scout.
hunter may have 2h spear but what that benefit you when all hits opposite is doing come in?
who have slowest bows and longest range?
who benefit these 2 thing most when using volley?

I'm not asking for a damage boost, and nor do I have less than 20weapon spec. I'm looking for survivability, we dont have AP and we cant run off, so as someone said, what do we do it a hunter+sb unstealth me, really think I'm gona land 3slams and still have enough end to even think about sprinting? even popping a blue con end regen its hard . This is my only real problem with scout.

Also I spoke to the Scout TL, his main concern is our survivability also, and the fact we have no 'scouting' abilitys, nothing which makes us unique as a scout, I'm not talking about bow types or shield spec, I mean abilitys, like hunter's getting this new ability and they alrdy have pets etc.

 

[Tuppe]

ok, well, prolly that problem have all archers, what hunter do if scout and minst uncover me?
speed shout dont help anything whit ranged instas what minst have, or against scout who need only shoot me once and speed stop there, or do something against pet if summoned.
speed is sometimes nice to have but when you loose speed any action done against you or pet, even debuffs are enough, debuffs what dont interupt caster casting but stop our speedshout.

personally see new pets more like joke, may help little groupability early but who in hell follow pets, what walk near or slower, stealthed speed example in emain near milegates? when there is usually more traffic what tunnel from england to france.

if they wanna give some changes hunter someway? give more survivalibity against other classes, only thing what needed.
example speccable af buff from bc line go over cap like albs speccable is good start, some style changes so all anytime styles dont have penalty to defense etc etc.

 

[Pudzy]

You have to consider BB's when it comes to class balance ? If so then a scout should be well ahead with Free ap 1.5 < spec AF> That is much better than haste and the fact they need to use x2 BB's to get that haste + normal BB buffs.

According to eyes and ears, spec af - .66 AP, almost 1/3 of what you claimed.

Before I tear through your responce bit by bit I would like to say that the fact that you insult me so much in your reply means you have already lost.

Lost what?

p.s

Stop being a pussy come ingame and we can really talk about this.

 

[Carnalito]

scouts hits me all the time for like 1000+ with bow.. thats gotta count for something ? I mean scouts hits alot harder than hunters with bow? right ?

And, slam is teh nice ?

 

[Pudzy]

scouts hits me all the time for like 1000+ with bow.. thats gotta count for something ? I mean scouts hits alot harder than hunters with bow? right ?

And, slam is teh nice ?

Nah man, we DID when we had str relics, and thats crit shots ONLY, my caps 1025, which i managed to hit alot with relics now its all 700's (crit), my normal fire is like 512 without resists, hitting for 300's atm, 90>120 with rapid fire, 5.5spd bow.

Slams not great all the time, needs a low to-hit bonus i think, say I come accross Snornig, Ok my blockings great, 387 dex 67 shield, say hes got a blue con pet, AP/IP up, by the time I land slam on him and his pet... you kinda see the story, with my end bar and the time I have to get away.