1.65d

[- Pathfinder -]

Originally posted by -nicolas-

- Removed the interupt component from ALL, except DDs, insta spells.

- Added a 30 seconds immunity timer to disease.

- Anything which a character is immune to does NOT, I repeat NEVER interupt.

- Savages are now hybrids. With lowered WS, HP and expensive RAs.

<edit: insta amnesia is NOT an interupt, so there's nothing to nerf there>

Agreed

Shamans also need the timer on their insta disease nerfed (read raised). Savages AFAIK allready have fairly poor WS with H2H spec, but they should definetely be hybrids, not pure tanks.

 

[scarffs]

True, with this no more summoning spiritmasters.
I dont get it, instead of taking the focus from mana to enchantments where it belongs...but no, they nerf cabalists and spiritmasters, and chanters a little, because hey, they got all the tools.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Not actually quite correct about chanters. I've XP'd a lot in Hib and they can eat up a lot of purple con mobs at the same time between the focus shield and the pbae.

Yes, it might be aimed at mainly epic level mobs, but the area this was getting abused the most was... xp groups in Hib

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by scarffs
True, with this no more summoning spiritmasters.
I dont get it, instead of taking the focus from mana to enchantments where it belongs...but no, they nerf cabalists and spiritmasters, and chanters a little, because hey, they got all the tools.

It has nothing to do with the fact that Chanters have PBAoE and FS in the same line.

This "change" is to stop focus shield farming groups from ALL THREE REALMS from farming epic mobs in a way that wasn't intended.

Again I repeat, it has nothing to do with Enchanters having it in the same line as PBAoE. Okay?

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn
Not actually quite correct about chanters. I've XP'd a lot in Hib and they can eat up a lot of purple con mobs at the same time between the focus shield and the pbae.

Yes, it might be aimed at mainly epic level mobs, but the area this was getting abused the most was... xp groups in Hib

I've seen a shedload of Summoning SMs farming epic mobs etc in TG/Raum etc...

I've also seen Cabalists focusing GS etc...

It's to do with that. This change won't effect Enchanters at 4Fins or any other Hibby PL spot.

 

[ironhand]

Originally posted by Uma
Albion Crush

- Concussion has been changed to a parry opener.

- Bone Crusher has been changed to chain off Concussion.

- Bludgeon has been changed to an anytime style.

Some excellent changes to styles here, this brings Crush on par with Slash for PvE standards, giving pve bots access to high shield &/or parry as well as Low end, High dmg Block and Parry styles.

Looks like i'll be specing back to Crush in 1.65 then

 

[dr_doctor]

Thanes got shafted if this was it.
In what way will they be included in ANY group?


FFS crap Mythic.

 

[Ala]

Originally posted by old.0xygen
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LMAO!

 

[old.Emma]

The focus nurf was indirectly aimed at Chanters.

Caught one of the devs playing his 47 chanter testing out the focus shield nurf.

Didnt see any other focus shield class's testing the nurf.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Dook, if you think the FDS nerf isn't partially aimed at the Hib obsession with focus groups for levelling you really are kidding yourself on

And if you note, I didn't say that it was *only* aimed at these groups but even if not stated, it definately is a factor.

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
I've seen a shedload of Summoning SMs farming epic mobs etc in TG/Raum etc...

I've also seen Cabalists focusing GS etc...

It's to do with that. This change won't effect Enchanters at 4Fins or any other Hibby PL spot.

The nurf affects all focus shield class's vs high con mobs.

Upto red con mobs aggro from healing the pet is minimal. purp+ mobs and the smallest of heals generates a huge ammount of aggro.

One of the DEV`s tested it with his chanter, 4 Fins on the pet and after a few minor heals him and the druid/bards got aggro. Killing them all.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.Emma
The nurf affects all focus shield class's vs high con mobs.

Upto red con mobs aggro from healing the pet is minimal. purp+ mobs and the smallest of heals generates a huge ammount of aggro.

One of the DEV`s tested it with his chanter, 4 Fins on the pet and after a few minor heals him and the druid/bards got aggro. Killing them all.

There's actually 2 nerfs in there, the first being that damage on focus shields is normalised against mob-level, the second is:

- The amount of aggro generated by any damage add spells (damage adds or damage shields) has been reduced.

So, it's doing less damage and generating less aggro than that amount of damage would have done before.

You can still focus-pull, but not the same number of mobs, and not the same high levels.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by scarffs
Errm, mister, get a clue. Savages are the equivalent of mercs and blademasters ( we are out of zerkers ) hence the cheap ras.
And for the selfbuffs, mercs have a dirty tricks special and bm's a triple wield, all extras.
True, savages hit hard, but so do mercs and blademasters. Its just that when berserkers got erased from the world, a lot of those made savages so you see a lot of them, hence you being owned by a lot of savages.

I'll swap DT for savage self buffs anytime you like.

 

[scarffs]

Savage buffs are way better then dt, but a merc >>> savage without savagery.
So its a part of the hth really.

Anyway, whine on, wont change a thing, and my uber savage will still be trampled by mercs in emain.

 

[scarffs]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
It has nothing to do with the fact that Chanters have PBAoE and FS in the same line.

This "change" is to stop focus shield farming groups from ALL THREE REALMS from farming epic mobs in a way that wasn't intended.

Again I repeat, it has nothing to do with Enchanters having it in the same line as PBAoE. Okay?

Yes it does.
But a poor way to solve a problem.

 

[Venom777]

With the advent of these patch changes I was wondering if anyone with Pendragon characters could find out what weaponskill Thanes end up with with various levels of speccing a weapon.

E.g. the weaponskill totals for the following templates:

42SH\42WP\48SC = how much weaponskill including the self buff?
42SH\44WP\46SC = how much weaponskill including the self buff?
42SH\39WP\50SC = how much weaponskill including the self buff?
50WP\50SC = how much weaponskill including the self buff?

I'm jsut trying to see if the benefit from the extra STR from the 50SC buff compensates for having 39WP. Naturally you are going to have +11 Weapon from Items on a full Spellcrafted setup which brings the total up to 50 with Realm ranks adding more to it so at RR5 39 Weapon Spec would give 54 Weapon. How noticeable would the weaponskill difference be between 59, 57 and 54 (the 44, 42 and 39 base spec options) considering the deminishing returns on speccing over 50.

I would try this myself but dont have a US account and cant afford all the respec stones to test this out.

 

[svartmetall]

I'm planning to take my Thane to 50 SC/50 Hammer/27 Parry/17 Shield...think that accounts for all points...was recommended by someone on VN Boards, and seems like nice spec to me.

 

[Sharma]

Originally posted by fl3a
nice patch. only bad thing i found is that FDS change, which TOTALLY FUCKING SUCKS.

I actually find its a wonderful change, looking at Hibernia atm with FS totally screwing it up for tanks, im rather glad they have deicded to do something about it.

 

[old.job]

While I agree FS is fooking up the game for tanks, you still can't get away from the fact that even WITH focus pull, it is still mind numbingly boring trying to level 45-50.
Nerf it too much and we'll never level another Nightshade again.