1.60 F - archers slightly denerfed, evade 3 gone from minstrels

[Sigurd]

1.60F

 

[StormriderX]

better

 

[old.LandShark]

Oh, good. They improved another play-and-AFK ability and nerfed the vastly overpowered evade3. Hmm. Good for you Mythic.
And we seem to still have the ablative chant.... right, gg =()
And climb walls - hah.

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

FFS Mythic is playing with archers, this changes won't do anything, 14 RPT to shoot arrows into BT... Maybe Volley could worth it with the new 15 secs reuse time, but why the hell Longshot is still requisite for this. Mythic surely don't wanna make archers playeble again.

 

[Arumar]

FFS! lose the wall climbing, and keep evade 3! oh wait, that would be what most mincers would actually want....

 

[Sarnat]

IMO the evade was fine but the buffer song isn't. Rather give evade than that song.

Or other realms need the same song. And Mid needs GP/SoS/AM/FH /BoaD equivalents!

 

[Arnor]

FFS Mythic is playing with archers, this changes won't do anything, 14 RPT to shoot arrows into BT... Maybe Volley could worth it with the new 15 secs reuse time, but why the hell Longshot is still requisite for this. Mythic surely don't wanna make archers playeble again.

from me to you


You seem like the kind of person who would whine&bitch even if archers got god mode for 10mins on 15mins timers.

"FFS! ONLY 10MINS!, DAMN MYTHIC HATES US TO THA MAXXX"

so please, foad. Noone wants your bitching

 

[Aussie-]

archers denerfed? because they made some RA a bit better?

 

[Novamir]

aussie, archers will never be the solo RP whore gods that they used to be, just accept it. you're just another group player.

 

[Tranquil-]

Fucking hell, Novamir. Do you see anyone asking to be Godlike?

You seem to have no idea about what is going on, yet you spew out this toxic waste. I suggest you follow Mythic's own advice from the Herald; Get a clue.

Arnor, spare me for your bitching aswell while you're dealing with who's going to be allowed to bitch or not.

Any of you ignorant fuckers want to discuss this any more, let's take it tomorrow. I'm going to bed.


(If you feel the language is a bit harsh, switch 'fuck' with '****')

 

[Sigurd]

I did say slightly denerfed...

 

[klavrynd]

are the devs at mythic really that clueles that they need to put tons of stuff in patches and wait for vnboard spam to see what's overpowered and what's not?

ontopic : thank god they lost evade 3

 

[DocWolfe]

the ablative buffer song is an instachant, so you can use it and fight at the same time

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

Originally posted by Arnor2



from me to you


You seem like the kind of person who would whine&bitch even if archers got god mode for 10mins on 15mins timers.

"FFS! ONLY 10MINS!, DAMN MYTHIC HATES US TO THA MAXXX"

so please, foad. Noone wants your bitching

Read this


and this



If archers are sooooo good, why 75% of them dropped it and started an assassin? Like me? FFS I just want my first lvl 50 char playable, not solo RP god. I use my scout for salvaging, is it normal? We archers IMO not bitching, we want our class to be playable. Imagine a tank who's every fifth hit lands only? Or a caster, 4 from 5 spells resisted?

And OH, wait, you are a midi, hunters have got major love in 1.56.

 

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by Sarnat
IMO the evade was fine but the buffer song isn't. Rather give evade than that song.

Or other realms need the same song. And Mid needs GP/SoS/AM/FH /BoaD equivalents!

Buffer song is less than 2 thirds as effective as a paladin twisting heal chant.
Paladins have been saying forever that heal chant, even twisted, is useless. You saying worse than useless is overpowered?
.
And as for giving every realm the same RAs, give me a break.

Originally posted by Tafaya Anathas




Read this


and this



If archers are sooooo good, why 75% of them dropped it and started an assassin? Like me? FFS I just want my first lvl 50 char playable, not solo RP god. I use my scout for salvaging, is it normal? We archers IMO not bitching, we want our class to be playable. Imagine a tank who's every fifth hit lands only? Or a caster, 4 from 5 spells resisted?

And OH, wait, you are a midi, hunters have got major love in 1.56.

Because assassins are better soloers and more useful to groups, if not by much. No, you DO want solo RP god, quite evidently, because scouts are still perfectly able soloers. Better yet, do what the assassins have to do nowadays and join stealther groups. No, you ARE bitching, I assure you. You fumble with your bows as often and no more often than my minstrel fumbles with his sword. You plain honest 'miss' as often as my DDs/stun/mezz get resisted. I agree its a lot but, christ..... live with it. 4 out of 5 spells resisted? 4 out of 5 melee swings missed? Do you even believe what you're saying? Jesus tapdancing H christ, stop exaggerating or stop expecting to be taken seriously.
Oh, and don't cry about hunters getting love. They have lower evade than you, lower damage output than a high PF/Melee ranger and worse defence than a scout, as well as inferior bow to you. They got melee love; they still miss 4 out of 5 times and get 1shotted by greys, and are permanently nearsight and surrounded by an inwards-pointing PBT bubble thing that blocks all their shots!

 

[Arnor]

If archers are sooooo good, why 75% of them dropped it and started an assassin? Like me? FFS I just want my first lvl 50 char playable, not solo RP god. I use my scout for salvaging, is it normal? We archers IMO not bitching, we want our class to be playable. Imagine a tank who's every fifth hit lands only? Or a caster, 4 from 5 spells resisted?

And OH, wait, you are a midi, hunters have got major love in 1.56.

1st off, i NEVER, EVER said archers were "sooooo good", yes archers need help, but seriously, have mythic said: "Yeah, with 1.60F I think we are done with archers"?

NO, so STOP BITCHING BECAUSE YOU ARE GETTING SOME LOVE IN A PENDRAGON TEST PATCH FFS!




oh, and because im a "midi" and since hunters are getting "major" love in 1.56 everything is ok?

F-U

 

[old.LandShark]

Go Arnor, go arnor ^^

edit:
Problem with giving archers real bow loving is that it would be all too easy to accidentally return archers to the pre-1.46 state of affairs. i.e. casters just DIE in the middle of your group and you see a 2-foot midget either calming jogging away or hurtling away with his insta speed-shout.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
Go Arnor, go arnor ^^

edit:
Problem with giving archers real bow loving is that it would be all too easy to accidentally return archers to the pre-1.46 state of affairs. i.e. casters just DIE in the middle of your group and you see a 2-foot midget either calming jogging away or hurtling away with his insta speed-shout.

or rather you see a 2-foot midget 2100 away jogging a short distance before they're invisible and so invulnerable again...

Archers used to live in the valleys in emain - they couldn't be found, couldn't be killed.

At least if an assassin attacks someone in a group there's a good chance they'll get found and killed - before see hidden, the archer was unstoppable.

 

[old.Trine Aquavit]

These threads really do bring out the worst in people :\

I think I'll go and read a Roo thread to recover.

 

[VidX]

OMFG seems Mythic are actually looking at the RA's and fixing them.

Still think they should make the Savage and Bard AM RA the same cost (atm, Savage get it for 10 RSP, Bard costs 14), they REALLY need to fix Theurgist Siege Bolt (like do 10x the damage of a ram) and take a look at things like the Skald Damage Add RA.

Oh, and remove See Hidden and IP completely, or at least make See Hidden into what Truesight is and remove Truesight.

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

I'm not wanna to be a solo RPer. I'm just wanna enjoy playing with my scout. But I can't, because of it's gimpness. Conclusion: I'll play my infi and caba, but not as a soloer, because I haven't got a buffbot, and without one solo inf's are surely die. I'm just wanna help my group with taking out the healer/bard etc.. What I am definetly don't want: die in 2 hits from a hunter and die from 2 spells from a 0 relic melee realm caster. Because this is what happened all the time with my scout. I will not play with my scout till I consider it unplayable. And Arnor, if you think I'm bitching, read some archer related topic at vnboards class section.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
Because assassins are better soloers and more useful to groups, if not by much. No, you DO want solo RP god, quite evidently, because scouts are still perfectly able soloers. Better yet, do what the assassins have to do nowadays and join stealther groups. No, you ARE bitching, I assure you. You fumble with your bows as often and no more often than my minstrel fumbles with his sword. You plain honest 'miss' as often as my DDs/stun/mezz get resisted. I agree its a lot but, christ..... live with it. 4 out of 5 spells resisted? 4 out of 5 melee swings missed? Do you even believe what you're saying? Jesus tapdancing H christ, stop exaggerating or stop expecting to be taken seriously.
Oh, and don't cry about hunters getting love. They have lower evade than you, lower damage output than a high PF/Melee ranger and worse defence than a scout, as well as inferior bow to you. They got melee love; they still miss 4 out of 5 times and get 1shotted by greys, and are permanently nearsight and surrounded by an inwards-pointing PBT bubble thing that blocks all their shots!

LS, you are talking pure BS atm. You can't seriously mean that your experience, which is 50k rps with a buffboted RR5 scout, is supposed to be THE answer? If that's so I'm sorry to say that you're more VN than I thought you to be. "I played a friends scout a couple of days, I now have the perfect insight into Scout problems. The scout was buffboted, but that doesn't matter."

Get a grip mate. Even the owner of the scout you played seems to not have exactly the same opinions as you. Do you think that can be because he has even more experience than you?

Btw, can you say that _I_ am after being a solo RP God? Heh.

What alot of ppl mean with miss/fumble rate is perhaps the total % of wasted attacks in RvR. That is 80%. SBT, PBT, Miss(Archery has no bonus to hit, the bonus to hit on the very best arrows is what brings us neutral chance to hit. It's like an unstyled melee blow.), Fumble, Block, Evade is what creates that %. The test performed by Oaklief the Scout TL and(I believe) Taco the Ranger TL, was acknowledged by Mythic and the dev coordinating the current reviewing of archers. So if you don't believe the test, you PM the TL's.

That being said, having soloed a few trees, I am beginning to get tired of fumbling and then missing twice in a row after that. Or miss and then fumble and miss etc. In any variation you wish. Yellow con.

Problem with giving archers real bow loving is that it would be all too easy to accidentally return archers to the pre-1.46 state of affairs. i.e. casters just DIE in the middle of your group and you see a 2-foot midget either calming jogging away or hurtling away with his insta speed-shout.

One of the problems with that was that casters didn't use Self BT in a widespread manner untill the newer patches. That's a part of the problem. Archers WERE overpowered, but with the state of the game as it is now, the to-hit rates isn't what made them overpowered. Bugs with stealthing in conjunction with archery was that made it overpowered. Aswell as the insane damage in _early_ stages of the game.

It wouldn't be all to easy to return archers into Gods again, since Mythic has fixed alot of the issues that helped archers being Gods, aswell as knowing what will lead to an overpowered archer.

Have you seen me ask for invulnerabilty vs See Hidden? No? With See Hidden in the game it's IMPOSSIBLE for an archer to grief like they did if there's an assassin nearby. Even if they had the earlier archery system implemented. PBT also springs to mind here.

So quit the bitching about overpoweredness. It's not going to happen and Archery being overpowered a year ago should not be a reason to let it be underpowered now.

Statements like; "played a buffboted RR5 archer for 50k rp's" does NOT turn the player into an info source about how it REALLY is. Ridiculous.

 

[Gef]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
i.e. casters just DIE in the middle of your group and you see a 2-foot midget either calming jogging away or hurtling away with his insta speed-shout.

Hehe, love that quote ..*cries* *sniffle* I miss my Scout

 

[-mk-]

no evade III ? buggers

well, seems i'll have to purchase dodger after all then

 

[Sigurd]

What amused me was I was told "Minstrels, Skalds and Bards" got love in this patch... I was disappointed then to find it refered to the boost to health regen songs - because this song isn't actually in the bard's primary two lines, which means at most a bard might have the second health regen song... so, once again, minstrels and skalds boosted and not bards? Why? Bards have a single DD, less attack - that I can live with, as they are healers - but they have RF armour and evade 2 - and they don't even get evade 2 until level 25, handily missing out on battlegrounds.... as it is now, if the bard is identified, the bard dies... not much fun eh?

 

[eynar]

Originally posted by the_chimera
What amused me was I was told "Minstrels, Skalds and Bards" got love in this patch... I was disappointed then to find it refered to the boost to health regen songs - because this song isn't actually in the bard's primary two lines, which means at most a bard might have the second health regen song... so, once again, minstrels and skalds boosted and not bards? Why? Bards have a single DD, less attack - that I can live with, as they are healers - but they have RF armour and evade 2 - and they don't even get evade 2 until level 25, handily missing out on battlegrounds.... as it is now, if the bard is identified, the bard dies... not much fun eh?

Pfff, your argumentation makes no sense...first of all, I wouldn't call the health regen song fixes a boost to the class at all, they just become a bit less useless i'm sure. And then you start comparing bards with skalds....makes a lot of sense. Agreed, bards have less offensive qualities, but skalds don't have a bard's crowd control skills, nor do they have healing skills, buffing skills, end/pow regen etc...and about evade 2: skalds even only have evade 1. I could go on for ages like this, but I'm way too lazy to type atm, for which I apologize

 

[Sigurd]

Having played both classes, I think it's rather sad that skalds can solo yellows with little downtime and bards struggle on blues... bards should get 2 DDs like minstrels and skalds, or better defence - the only thing they can do in RvR is mez and run away...

 

[living]

the_chimera

Well there are no classes like a bard to hunt down a grp and stop a few of them from having speed... Meaning their end regen, speed and instant sick ranged confusion or whatever it is. Cant even count how many times a bard stopped me from getting away.

and Tafaya Anathas
it REALLY sound like u ur self gimped all ur chars and then whine about it here.. IMO i NEVER seen a scout/ranger miss 4 out of 5 shots.. instead ive seen scouts hit 4 out of 5 shots on my zerk.. and the only miss would be because i evaded the hit.. and when i get near the bitch slam me.. run away.. stealth.. and it starts over..

Oh and to all the bow users who tried to melee my zerk: WTF are u thinking? dont the 350-400 dmg hit tell u something?

And bow users killing a shield user is NOT meant to be Wuld be the same a caster melee'd a scout to death..

 

[Aoln]

it took me 6 (yes 6) shots to kill a NP chanter that was windows key exiting from the game ( hahahah sucker )
first was bt'd, second hit with stupid resists, 3rd fumbled, 4 th hit with more stupid resists, another fumble... then final hit and some easy rps also it had too much hp 3 shots of around 500 and casters still alive, nerf NP buffbots !!

 

[living]

That wuld also be NP and badluck.. i often have my bad fights in rvr too where i miss my first axe 3 hits in a row..