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[eben]

Originally posted by -mk-
and another one

have you ever visited your relic keep EVER ?

if you did, how do you foresee will a minstrel get past the 3rd door?
smashing it open with his soon-to-be UBER melee skills?

ROFLMFAO

 

[eben]

Originally posted by mannschaft
Haha, yet another great thing for albs. When did Mythic do anything good for Mid lately? Still waiting for my poor Thane to get at least Evade1 but noooooooo....they gave 2 extra to Minstrels instead. So what if you are taxi's, still a good group-char.

<cough> chain castable DD <cough>
<cough> str buff replaced by str/con buff <cough>

Don't tell me these didn't make it???

 

[nemesisgm]

Why is everyone so concerned about minstrels getting climb walls? Ok it rapes the assassins Identity, but what they going to do inside a reasonable defended keep, bar die inside to every sb that see's them. when attacking a hib keep the step foot inside they get tagged stunned destroyed like everyone else.. and they don't have the benefit of being able to move unseen by assassins.

Yes they will be a pain but, personally. To any minstrel who climbs inside a defended keep, after your dead.. all I have to say was. Aren't you glad mythic made it so easy to kill you. Plus hows a minstrel ever going to get to a climb point with a blade doign something like..

/b Guys theres a very stupid mincer trying to climb the wall.. pbae and you'll hit him and his 4 inf mates who might get a tad pisssed of, some unstealthy noob got them nuked.

Face it climb walls for the mincer is pure candy, to keep them happy about this rather toss stealth skills.

Durgi.

 

[old.Enigma]

I think identity is exactly the point.

But talking practically. What do SB's do in well defended keeps apart from annoy?

I would put a minstrel and infil together and see if I could find gaps in the well defended keep where the minstrel could AE mez so the infs can jump in and PA close by casters and Jump out with relatively safety. And I dont believe PBAE works when mezzed.

Sounds like that might be an advantage. What I care about though is the fact of all the changes that people perceive needed to be made, adding Stealth and Safe fall which is by right only an assassins qualities maybe hunters at a push to Minstrels is right up there. Oh Yeah anyone mention chain.

 

[Coren]

Originally posted by nemesisgm

Face it climb walls for the mincer is pure candy, to keep them happy about this rather toss stealth skills.

Couldn't have said it better.

To some it might seem assassins lose their identity, but to me it seems like we finally get a bit of the identity we originally chose back - being a rogue class.

And like Danyan said: evade + chain might seem like too much, but we will still have the worst total defence of all classes that are able to spec melee, except for hunters and bards.

 

[scarffs]

You said it, except hunters and bards...so why not help these ffs!

Pure candy, i think not. I would love to get climb walls and safe fall with my hunter. Of course evade III and chain also plz, we sure need that.

Point is why do this ridicuous patch noone asked for instead of fixing issues which the whole community asks for and knows they are needed ?
What they are doing is upping some classes each patch and they will keep on doing it only to have people stay in the game and hoping that next patch your char gets some love...
Guess not enough archers out there to even bother fixing archery.
Guess too much chanters out there to fix LOS.
Guess too much buffbots out there to fix this issue.
And so on...

 

[Falcon]

Blood they don't need it, their insta-stun got upped to 9s in 1.60c I think anyway.

Oh well, at least Albs can NEVER complain about hib mages getting 9s stun now, seeing as all 3 Alb rogues have it, will finally be nice to see that moan die

Coren you've lost me on you having the worst defence of all classes able to spec melee. I'm sure there's more, that includes rangers for example, we only get reinforced and evade 3.

 

[Coren]

If you seriously expect they're gonna fix every single class in 1 patch, then well... heh.. :/

And Xest, at least rangers make up for their slightly worse defence by having self buffs and good damage output. In 1.60 minstrels might even have close fights with rangers again.

I'd love to trade that ablative song and evade 3 for your self damage add and dual wield.

 

[stafford]

*sits back and listens to 1000 ominous highland minstrel groans*

Selling respec stones !!!!

 

[midmaster]

Yet to see a mincer that states that wallclimbing is eyecandy and that they don't need it....but it will not happen. Why?

Because they will totally crush and own in keeptakes, in pair with 1-2 infs. Don't deny it, you guys know it. And that is so lame from both Mythic and the mincer community to deny that obvious fact.

Climb walls with SoS, safe fall, Evade 3, chain and MESS. If you say that is useless, check your brains.

Looking forward to when our Troll warriors gets Stealth and our casters chain with Staff-styles. Would even it out a bit.

 

[Falcon]

Your fights with me always have been close Coren and honestly if you'd had say, a bloodletter with you you'd have won for sure every time I'd guess. That said if you'd had a bloodletter I'd guess I'd have got the jump with my bow instead of you ambushing the poor little elf running round in the green fields playing with the flowers :/

 

[Coren]

Pff k, I'll say it again: It's just candy and we don't really need it, reasons stated in various other posts.

We did however need a new reason to spec stealth. If you know a better alternative, feel free to mention it.

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by Falcon

Oh well, at least Albs can NEVER complain about hib mages getting 9s stun now, seeing as all 3 Alb rogues have it,

Isn't that 9 sec stun your mages got a baseline stun ?

 

[Jenna.]

Delete and roll a buffil

 

[old.Atrox]

You were my sun
You were my earth
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And don't it make you sad about it

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Now you tell me you need me
When you call me, on the phone
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(I already know, uh)
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(No chance, you and me)
And don't it make you sad about it

You told me you loved me
Why did you leave me, all alone
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Now you tell me you need me
When you call me, on the phone
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And don't it make you sad about it

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[Ardrias_Mid]

The hib stun isnt castable while stealthed or in mach 5 at least.

 

[Falcon]

Minstrels are like mobile swiss army knifes.

I just never figured Minstrels were ment to be true stealthers, always thought they got useless stealth for little more than hiding as enemies go by and such which I think most minstrels do use it for am I right? How many will actually decide to use it for more than that now with the changes?

When I first read about it it infuriated me and I just thought "Hey that's fucking overpowering" but looking at it now from a minstrels point of view, I guess they're thinking "Hey we can climb into keeps, and...". Well played minstrels will be able to exploit it and mezz defenders for a few secs whilst infs PA the living daylights out of them I guess but then, the question is, are well played minstrels dumb enough to gimp their melee some or drop to the second best DD shout, second best mezz etc. for it instead?

The only thing that bothers the hell out of me is that not only do we have to deal with tightly clad blackleather leather freaks trying to make us engage in their S&M games whilst we're crafting, but also men in skirts now will probably come harass us too.

 

[klavrynd]

Evade 3 and chain isn't really that big a deal, it's less defence than a zerker with their evade 3, parry and studded and they get huge offense to boot

i'll happily give up the uber parry that works in 0.1% of rvr fights for an insta 9s stun thank you very much.


i really hope i do get a life before 1.60 or i wont have too much hair left

 

[Danya]

Ever seen the uber 9s castable stun on a pure tank klav? It's roughly 2 seconds, more like 1.5 if they have determintion 4/5.

Parry is more of an advatange than 8% extra absorb. If you are buffed your parry improves with the buffs. Your armour does not, this is also an issue with hib heavy tanks getting evade 1 while albion's get chain, when buffed the scale+evade is actually better than plate (from the front at least).

As for the chain etc: Since people like pointing out that midgard is the melee realm and hib the magical realm, lets not forget albion is the defensive realm. All Albion melee (i.e. able to spec a weapon) classes have quite high defence, most have speccable defence of some form, except the infil and minstrel. From that perspective it makes sense that minstrels have higher defence than some of the mid and hib classes. Hence I wasn't doing inter-realm comparisons. Also there isn't really any class like the minstrel in hib or mid to compare to. Hunter/rangers don;t work - we aren't archers. Skald and bard is better but the three music classes have a lot of disparity in them. Skald has significantly more defence potentially then a minstrel as they can have a shield, spec parry and evade 1.
Also, a question, would you whine as much if it was evade 4 and studded instead of evade 3 and chain?

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by Danyan
Also, a question, would you whine as much if it was evade 4 and studded instead of evade 3 and chain?

They would whine just as much if you got a bag of dog dropping with the text "Alb love" on it.

 

[Azal]

mincer can use untrained shield the same as skald..so that doesn't count

 

[king_kettil]

Penge Resident.. You can't seriously think this is balanced ?

You will have no problem getting in if you first send in the infils to take out the ones guarding climbpost, and then woalla! you can mezz everything or simply just be there with your absorbation tune for the sake of the infilks and cast a stun on whom ever they are ganking.. this is completly outrageous!

First of all Albion already got 2 classes more then Midgard and 1 class more then hibernia ( noone knows why but spies have been reporting that Mythic are Albion lovers) 2nd of all Albion got 3 stealther classes.. anyone else got that? no...

so hey why not give them a second climber! yeah good idea!...

Mythic needs to be cleanced from morons..

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by king_kettil
Penge Resident.. You can't seriously think this is balanced ?

You will have no problem getting in if you first send in the infils to take out the ones guarding climbpost, and then woalla! you can mezz everything or simply just be there with your absorbation tune for the sake of the infilks and cast a stun on whom ever they are ganking.. this is completly outrageous!

First of all Albion already got 2 classes more then Midgard and 1 class more then hibernia ( noone knows why but spies have been reporting that Mythic are Albion lovers) 2nd of all Albion got 3 stealther classes.. anyone else got that? no...

so hey why not give them a second climber! yeah good idea!...

Mythic needs to be cleanced from morons..

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Haveing more classes means our abilities are more spread out, meaning we need more classes in the group to gain access to abilities.

 

[Freia]

I'm just wondering (still) when the other realms will get THEIR boosts.
It really shouldnt be a question of if but rather when, and in what form.
I find it quite amazing that they still havnt given us anything, let alone not giving us anything in the same patch as the first sourceror loving.

But hey it's mythic afterall. All we can do is wait and see.

 

[Darkh]

Give one of Midgard's and Hibernia's classes climb and there's no crying about it. There will be a double amount of climbers now in Albion, those who can critical strike, and those who can mesmerize.

Everyone make it sound like climbing is only for fun, while it's a really exclusive and incridible ability at keep takings.

Would anyone object to proposing that Midgard and Hibernia get a second climbing stealther class? If not, then I'm not against Albion doubling their ninja crew with a CC class.

But let's just wait for the inevitable keep taking imbalance to come. Maybe the people whose only words are "whiners" and "research before you post" will understand what doors are suddenly opening to a second climbing class. Maybe it won't be a problem, in that case Albion players must have more luck out in RvR than skills.

Clerics heal proc, a third stealther class, a second climbing class. Surely there is reason to whine, it's xmas and only albion gets all the new toys. I feel shunned as a Midgardian, we need to try to appreciate what we already have, which isn't much more than AE Stun making us unique, the rest are rigid classes.

Flame all you want about how this is whining or unresearched, I'll read the sensible replies and ignore the others. I'd gladly like to know what can justify these changes. I'll admit being wrong, if someone comes with a good reply to why Hib/Mid won't get a second climbing class.

PS. My secret dream is that Healers will get Stealth. Would be nice to pop out of stealth and AE mez. I really should play Albion. Sigh. DS.

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

Well I will await the whines from the Albs when Mythic do thier infamous balancing on the other realms
Like Stealth on Enchanters and Shaman getting a insta PBAE that does a 700 per tick poison damage unresistable radius 2000

Mythic have messed up by doing one realm at a time lets hope GOA do them all at once....

and is mythic doing alb first coz in US alb populations are so small...??

 

[Darkh]

Even if Albion has problems on US servers beating Midgard and Hibernia, I still can't see the balance in the Albion changes. I don't have much choice. I get to see the imbalance get bigger or change to the US servers and start from the beginning.

I'd rather get good explanations, not why Mythic thinks Albion should get boosted with things, but what balance there is? Warriors get higher base damage, that's great, but of what use is there if all Special Realm Abilities will nullify everything anyway? I'm not sure they understand that Paperbag beats Rock. You can make the rock a diamond, it will still fit the paper bag.

Midgard could do well with some special realm abilities that enhance our groups, because right now we're facing Speed of Sound, Bunker of Faith, Ameliorating Melodies (I haven't researched this one, so sorry if i'm wrong, heavy regen heal for the whole group sounds nice at least), Group Purge, Defenders of the Vale... and the damn ARMSMAN special realm ability the buffs their whole group with an AF buff (for a melee class like armsman? wtf?).

I must say, I've never seen any Midgard Special RA's in action even.

Albion have more classes, with more room for really important and battle imbalancing special realm abilities. I can say, I don't think our special realm abilities are crappy, but they surely don't match the efficiency of the albion special RAs.

Savage seems to get Ameliorating Melodies (how fitting, a frollicing kobbie zerker that suddenly starts to sing wonderful melodies in battle) oh well, I just hope that brings some more balance to our realm. Even if I think Midgard seems to be aiming more towards Mastery of Pain than anything else, which they won't be getting much out of anyway.

 

[Falcon]

Give enchanters stealth and climb walls!

 

[-mk-]

givf mincers pbae and 100% resists

/pharm

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Azal
mincer can use untrained shield the same as skald..so that doesn't count

shield, parry and evade 1 is better than shield and evade 3 was my point.

]Originally posted by king_kettil
You will have no problem getting in if you first send in the infils to take out the ones guarding climbpost, and then woalla! you can mezz everything or simply just be there with your absorbation tune for the sake of the infilks and cast a stun on whom ever they are ganking.. this is completly outrageous!

OMG Not the ablative chant!!! That's going to turn the tide so much, 40 damage less every 6 seconds! Hell who even needs armour with that.... Leaving aside that a minstrel on pendragon tested it versus an enhance cleric and they were able to melee through it.
Stun... it's not like infils can't melee stun anyway.
The chant would work from outside, as do things like PBT which are far more different.
Mez only works if you don't get intterupted, which seems somewhat unlikely.

]Originally posted by king_kettil
First of all Albion already got 2 classes more then Midgard and 1 class more then hibernia ( noone knows why but spies have been reporting that Mythic are Albion lovers) 2nd of all Albion got 3 stealther classes.. anyone else got that? no...

More classes is a disadvantage not an advantage, more classes means in a typical group of 8, you have less of the total skill-set of the realm.

What really amuses me is that all these people who have never even played a minstrel or against one with these abilities are suddenly saying the class will be uber and solo keeps etc. Maybe you should wait and see before screaming NERF.