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[asyveth]

i guess people only read wot they wanna see numerous times i have sed that THIS WAS NOT A PLANNED RR we just went with the flow of things but of course as soon as we open the relic gate we must walk off cause theres no hibs to defend MY FUCKING ARSE WILL I and theres no1 else on the boards who could say they would.

Eras was retakn at 8pm uk so how on earth is that a late starting raid?

I dont have to jsutify who what where why when anything to any1 it happened live with it. Organise urselves and take it bk if u think u can Albs will be defending 2nite and 2moro dont u fret but no doubt it will be against 2 realms intead of 1 as usual.

 

[Mabs]

for the love of christ, will you lot just shut the fuck up already

realms taken a class at a time are not meant to be balanced, that why you can GROUP. or is that idea too complex for you to grasp ? all realms have bruiser, fools bow, warlord, and rams.. whats so hard about siege ? you all have aoe, you all have pbaoe, gtaoe, cc, blah fucking blah.

all realms alarm clock raid, and all realms get up on their stupid fucking high horse and whine when anyone else has the affront to do it to them, with very selective memory about when they did it themselves. EVERY REALM HAS DONE IT ... ergo you are ALL EQUALLY TO BLAME so put up and shut up

 

[Gahn]

for the love of christ, will you lot just shut the fuck up already

realms taken a class at a time are not meant to be balanced, that why you can GROUP. or is that idea too complex for you to grasp ? all realms have bruiser, fools bow, warlord, and rams.. whats so hard about siege ? you all have aoe, you all have pbaoe, gtaoe, cc, blah fucking blah.

all realms alarm clock raid, and all realms get up on their stupid fucking high horse and whine when anyone else has the affront to do it to them, with very selective memory about when they did it themselves. EVERY REALM HAS DONE IT ... ergo you are ALL EQUALLY TO BLAME so put up and shut up

That must be the worse shit ever, u could have said all realm at least once alarm clock raided.
Isn't that in discussion, it's the lameness of been doing it from months and it's only one Realm that did it (admittedly SOME peeps from ONLY 1 Realm), and guess what it ain't nor Hib nor Mid -.-

 

[Kagato]

some bs to long to quote

You talk about not reading others posts before replying, perhaps you should follow your own advice.

I did not mention classes, abilities or anything to do with balance whatsoever anywhere in my post. All I refered to was attitudes and player based aspects of the game.

You took the napolean comment as a criticism, it wasn't, you said they bring solidarity, I agree, so why the fuck are you name-calling me? I agree with you lol.

Yes they do bring solidarity and they do bring tactics, THIS is why albion is the under dog at the moment. I said nothing about classes or abilities, though I could quite easily make comparisons there if you want me to.
Simple fact is albion has no solidarity at all, no leaders, no solidarity and nothing bringing the realm together, that and that alone is why hibs and mids continue to gang up on the easy to kill realm and is to scared to attack each other who ARE more well united now then they have ever been.

 

[Dard]

So many .. "My mum dropped me on my head when i was a baby" candidates in one thread .. most of them from Alb, what a surprise :kissit:

 

[Gahn]

You talk about not reading others posts before replying, perhaps you should follow your own advice.

I did not mention classes, abilities or anything to do with balance whatsoever anywhere in my post. All I refered to was attitudes and player based aspects of the game.

You took the napolean comment as a criticism, it wasn't, you said they bring solidarity, I agree, so why the fuck are you name-calling me? I agree with you lol.

Yes they do bring solidarity and they do bring tactics, THIS is why albion is the under dog at the moment. I said nothing about classes or abilities, though I could quite easily make comparisons there if you want me to.
Simple fact is albion has no solidarity at all, no leaders, no solidarity and nothing bringing the realm together, that and that alone is why hibs and mids continue to gang up on the easy to kill realm and is to scared to attack each other who ARE more well united now then they have ever been.

I'm failing to see Hib and Mid ganging up on Albion apart when some Albs decide to tip the balance in their favour with shitty actions.
U may want to check inside your Realm who the bad apples are that brings other 2 realms to hate Alb and "ignore" each other :/

 

[Shike]

You talk about not reading others posts before replying, perhaps you should follow your own advice.

I actually read your post three times and the part about wannabe russel crowes several times and I guess I read it wrong anyway, if its positive to be a wannabe russel crowe in your book then fair enuff Sorry about that, truly am.

I did not mention classes, abilities or anything to do with balance whatsoever anywhere in my post. All I refered to was attitudes and player based aspects of the game.

No, not specific classes but the underlying tone in your post is actually very much alike the usual posts you make about the poor underdog albion that suffer from underpoweredness and also weak leadership.

You took the napolean comment as a criticism, it wasn't, you said they bring solidarity, I agree, so why the fuck are you name-calling me? I agree with you lol.

Yaa, see above! I read wannabe russel crowe's as something nonpositive, again, im sorry for misreading your post totally.

Yes they do bring solidarity and they do bring tactics, THIS is why albion is the under dog at the moment. I said nothing about classes or abilities, though I could quite easily make comparisons there if you want me to.
Simple fact is albion has no solidarity at all, no leaders, no solidarity and nothing bringing the realm together, that and that alone is why hibs and mids continue to gang up on the easy to kill realm and is to scared to attack each other who ARE more well united now then they have ever been.

No, no need to make comparisons, Ive seen your comparisons and last time I responded to a long post you made about with it 100% logic you chose to not respond at all so there is no point, you think albion is underpowered and I disagree, can only refer to the old thread where I told you what I think about balance between the realms classwise. Feel free to respond to my post there and bring up that discussion again if you want to, no point in going over to that discussion here.

No, that is not the reason why mid and hib gang up on albion, sometimes mid gang up with alb on hibernia, sometimes its alb and hib ganging up on mid. Lately alb has taken alot of gangbanging because alb has done some really lame things, this last event is one of them and it doesnt aid albion a single bit, on the contrary, it only inspires your enemys to actually gang up on you. If i come into a situation where I can choose whether to attack albs or mids I wont even hesitate a second, albs has to die because they are albs. When we run in RvR we get zerged to bits by albs, vs mids we usually have good fights and tbh, I dont really like zerglings much, albs pve relics middle of the night and iirc mids has only done it once in a very long time, albs pve keeps middle of the night and mids do it less, in pretty much all different comparisons when it comes to doing lame things, albs are just way worse. It is only a small portion of alb doing these silly things ofc but we can see on forums that there are alot of albs supporting this kind of playstyle and well, I dont really see so many mids do it thus mid>alb when it comes to playstyle and overall, as I see it, albs has pretty much laid its own bed for the night right now.

If albs condemned these actions with force, if albs stopped doing them, things would return to normal after some time. This doesnt happen, every time Ive been thinking: Nice that the latenightcrew has stopped doing idiotic stuff then some other muppets have just stepped up to the task and kept on doing things the albion-traditional way that we have gotten used to now. It is not so strange that alb is getting attacked from every angle if you take all actions alb has done in the last couple of months into account. Do you think it is? Do you seriosly think it has anything with ego to do? Do you truly believe it has anything to do with getting something to brag about? Isnt that quite onesided if thats what you truly think? Thats what your previous post implied and its just so totally wrong its nuts, hence my aggro tone in my last post.

btw

Of cause its still easy for hibs and mids to criticise, when all they ever do is gang up on the under dog realm. If you all think your that good, try attacking each other sometime. Simple fact is mids are to shit scared of mushrooms to dare attack hibernia and hibs are to scared to draw attention from mids, so they just go for the easy option every time.

I dunno but.. I defo interpret that post as:

Alb is underdogs, alb is underpowered, etc. You are calling albion the easy option, in same sentence you name the classical favourite whinesource for albs, mushrooms and I dunno but I think its quite crystalclear how you feel about balance, as you have stated so many times before, and this is where you are absolutely wrong to 100%. This part is just a response to:

I did not mention classes, abilities or anything to do with balance whatsoever anywhere in my post. All I refered to was attitudes and player based aspects of the game.

I read whole threads and try to sum up peoples posts (sometimes I get it very very wrong though, I admit that and I aint shy to say sorry either if I truly misunderstand something), I dont quote single posts and only care about those, I try to look at things alil bigger than that. Perhaps you assume I only go through posts one by one, and ignoring past ones, dno, it kindof seem like it. <shrug>

We agree on that alb as a realm has no realmspirit and solidarity is severely lacking, take that knowledge into Albion Kagato and do something with it or at least bring it up to discussion on the Albionboards, you guys have to do something because your realm is falling apart. Im not an Alb so it is not I or another hib or mid for that matter that can do it, it has to be an alb that is known within Albion that has to bring this up, nobody else can.

Remember one thing too, although I am a treehugger, it doesnt mean I hate albs or mids, I love the game, I love many aspects of it and I usually just want what is best for the game, for everyone. It may seem contradicting but thats how it is, im also a hothead sometimes and seeing albion fall down into a shithole is actually quite sad, I aint late to provoke reactions and shaking people around and try to make them think at least because ultimately, what I want is 3 healthy realms playing vs each others in a way where as many has as fun as possible. Albs raiding midnight.. is fun for them, nobody else, and mess it up for alot of others because of the reasons I stated above among other reasons that have been mentioned in the thread. Albion falling apart because of lack of leadership is just bad, for everyone since its one third of the server or so or even more we talk about here.

sorry about the length here but.. it is a lot to say I guess.

 

[Gnor]

That must be the worse shit ever, u could have said all realm at least once alarm clock raided.
Isn't that in discussion, it's the lameness of been doing it from months and it's only one Realm that did it (admittedly SOME peeps from ONLY 1 Realm), and guess what it ain't nor Hib nor Mid -.-

Damn my universal translator seems to be on the blink

 

[Gahn]

Damn my universal translator seems to be on the blink

Feeling better now?

 

[Gnor]

Feeling better now?

Why yes ..thanks for asking

 

[Aeoric]

Again - I respect most of what you say but I have to take issue here

this pretty much proves my point. bard amnesia hardy counters bolt range mez, if you are standing that close to a bard and trying to mez him then you need to rethink your positioning.

Assuming we are not talking about siege defense here - because no contest step-out-instamezz-step-back-in is FAR greater than castable mezz.

It's been proven many many times, that time required to cover the extra 350 world units by a sprinting bard is shorter than it is for the sorc to cast mezz.

But - more importantly than that, if there is ANY kind of non-flat terrain involved the Sorc has no chance.

last time i checked wizard bolts did far more damage than eld/chanter nukes.

20 sec recast timer, can still miss, ask pretty much any wizard if they would trade 2 bolts for castable stun.

i still dont know why albs find castable stun such a problem, if they actually bothered making a template that caps resists and ran with resists/healers it wouldnt be a problem (castable stun is effected by resists)

Castable stun (apart from the recent LoS bug abuse) on Hib casters is one of the most ridiculously OP abilities in the game. Take your HIGHEST dmg dealers, and give them the ability to stun (not 'breakable' mezz) a target - then follow up with (if chanter, debuff) nukes at 1/sec

Alb groups have extremely low util, so what you are saying requires a Friar to run in group to give red resists. Even so - you might be stunned for 5 secs, in that time you have more than enough time to down 2 casters. Capped resists alone just mean you die in 3 nukes, not 2. You would still be stunned 2-3 secs AFTER being dead. Given that most Alb groups can't afford to run a Friar, this is utter nonsense - we have to run a certain class to (almost) counter a baseline ability given to one realm's damage dealers. It's OP m8, no two ways about it.

My merc (capped resists) ran with a friar in group (red heat/cold resists) and AOM
and I was being hit for 630+ dmg from 4 different casters (don't think I was debuffed either - but couldn't see for certain).

Personally (and I play casters) - I think they should remove baseline stun altogether or at least reduce it to 4-5secs (and on top affected by resists). But more importantly - they SERIOUSLY need to reduce magic dmg, it is disgustingly imbalanced (I'm not suggesting melee dmg should be anywhere close to magic dmg) compared to target hps/ability to resist.

piss annoying interupt machines that are monsters, not our problem that all your casters go running off to get killed so they can make more RPs as a monster then die out of los from a cleric when i wears off.

Stun works on Monsters, so does root, so does mezz. IIRC - the PBAoE effect doesn't work when stunned or mezzed. So if the monster has to run to the enemy to deploy, and isn't a det-class - he's as good as fucked. Tanks have no MoM or WP to increase Monster Rezz dmg, and Casters are 99% certain to be CC'd out of range. Furthermore despite the extra resilience of the monster form, hibs can easily stun, nuke even a monster tank down

If you think this is even remotely close to unintuptible cone (that also currently goes through walls/floors), Warlock insta PBAoE/bolt/Dot, Valk Cone, Shaman 12sec RuT PBAoE disease (affecting heals, speed, cast speed and interrupting) or shroom farms (when defending a position), then I know who is biased.

On top of that - someone HAS TO DIE for the ability to be used... how does that equate...

as for cast speed, saracens have the same dex as luwis.

We *cannot* have Saracen Wizard or Theurgs (main nuke classes). They are typically Avalonian or gimped Briton.

animists are ok yeah, but a couple of aoe dots and the pets re gone, they are only blue con and dont move, they make great ranged aoe targets for the lord room/wall.

Ofc - you need to be able to target them to dot them, for which you need LoS and time to target and not to be interrupted... but they (the inanimate turrets) do not. They used to hit you regardless of LoS (fixed now?) but now they just hit you when you come into view... oh btw - the animist is free to wisp you or whatever because his turrets are attacking you of their own accord... er... no - not so easy to 'just dot them and they die easy'...

So you need a PBAoE or AE dot class to do this. Who are the AE DoT classes in Alb? - ahh yes - the gimped Matter Cabby/Sorc... So someone has to gimp their class to counter yet another unbalanced hib classes base ability.

basicaly you lose because you are all specced wrong dont know how to counter the enemy abilities and are RP horny, which is my point albs just turn up as a mass zerg of mini caster groups hoping to make a load of RPs.

Specced wrong = bullshit, Low utility is the correct assignation. Stick AE dot on the Body line for Cabby or Sorc and then you will see an ability to counter. Make it insta as well whilst you're at it.

What I do agree on, is in both yours and Kagato's posts, that Albs lack good leaders (both fg and mass-scale), and they have a lot of RP horny mini caster groups.

Ofc, if you're a Hib chanter, eldritch, bainshee, animist, mentalist - you're not RP horny bridge hugging, LoS abusing solo/mini caster groups. No. You're skilled open field warfare combatants. You're just stopping by the bridge, utilising the ability to choose a tiny race with easily capped dex on your main dmg-dealing casters, along with PBAoE, LoS abusing, impossible-to-hit-back outskilling the morons that chose a Cup to start with.

I guess we Albs should reroll classes, and throw in a Friar and Matter Cabby/Sorc in every group, and a Det-5 armsman with AoM5, Toughness and WP5, MoM5 to sacrifice to the enemy, so that we can monster rezz him...

 

[Aeoric]

No, that is not the reason why mid and hib gang up on albion, sometimes mid gang up with alb on hibernia, sometimes its alb and hib ganging up on mid. Lately alb has taken alot of gangbanging because alb has done some really lame things, this last event is one of them and it doesnt aid albion a single bit, on the contrary, it only inspires your enemys to actually gang up on you

Ok - had enough.

I've tried to explain, but no-one offers counter-arguments, they just keep harping on about lame Albs, badly specced groups, stun isn't OP, blah blah blah. Never a response, let alone balanced reasoned response.

Lets take the average situation where Mids or Hibs are holding a keep vs a number of Albs that want to take it from them.

What do you clever Hiblets/Midlets suggest the Albs do to get inside,
and I'll tell you what you do to counter the Alb invading force
Then - you tell me how you would skillfully get around this were you playing Alb.

 

[Sharkith]

Yes they do bring solidarity and they do bring tactics, THIS is why albion is the under dog at the moment. I said nothing about classes or abilities, though I could quite easily make comparisons there if you want me to.
Simple fact is albion has no solidarity at all, no leaders, no solidarity and nothing bringing the realm together, that and that alone is why hibs and mids continue to gang up on the easy to kill realm and is to scared to attack each other who ARE more well united now then they have ever been.

Kagato,

no matter how you try to put this the simple fact is that people gang up on Alb because of the actions of the minority of dickheads who fuck over the server with their - its a 24/7 attitude. Even worse they do it for the sad infamy of getting a thread on this forum. Its like as a realm you are handicapped with some of the most gifted assholes on the server.

No-one likes seeing Alb weak it is not good for any of us but like Shike says only Alb can sort it out and I wish they would. We need more full groups from Alb - we need those mass rr raids of Doom you guys used to throw at people. Its sad that you are reduced to raiding at times when no-one is around. It doesn't matter wether the most recent event was a follow through raid what matters is how your enemies see you. It is simple politics - if your weak do not draw attention to yourselves.

The people posting in this thread who were on the raid need to stop and think a little bit about what they have now brought onto their realm.

Not so long ago - 2months in fact. Hibs were down really down. Albs kicked us here on the forums called us whining tards and shite like that. Thankfully we got some good leadership at the right moment - that and a reorganisation of Alliances and we seem to be a bit stronger. Am I kicking you guys now? No - nothing would be better than a strong Alb to make the server a better place to play.

So for once remove the mote from your own eye first and then point the finger at the rest.

 

[Kagato]

Sorry but thats just utter bullshit.

This has nothing to do at all with whatever AC raid, its just the latest excuse. Things would be no different at all if the raid had never happend and you know it, they have been the same for the past year and would still remain to be the same for the next regardless of whatever supposedly 'lame' raids any guild makes.

As for the above post which is much to long to bother quoting, again I took paticular care to keep my posts on topic with NO mention whatsoever of ANY class or abilities, I refered specifically only to realm attitudes, leadership and solidarity, least you can do is do the same and not make this out to be a class whine but im quite happy to bring that into this if you want to.

 

[Nate]

Sorry but thats just utter bullshit.

This has nothing to do at all with whatever AC raid, its just the latest excuse. Things would be no different at all if the raid had never happend and you know it, they have been the same for the past year and would still remain to be the same for the next regardless of whatever supposedly 'lame' raids any guild makes.

As for the above post which is much to long to bother quoting, again I took paticular care to keep my posts on topic with NO mention whatsoever of ANY class or abilities, I refered specifically only to realm attitudes, leadership and solidarity, least you can do is do the same and not make this out to be a class whine but im quite happy to bring that into this if you want to.

what part of his post says anything about classes or abilities?

 

[Shike]

actually, dont even know who kagato is talking to and his post makes v little sense too so guess I'll just drop it lol

 

[Nailez]

LONG ASS QUOTE

REPPED!!!!! its not about being biased as you hibs/mids seem to think alb chars spells are too spread out or are on gimpy spec lines, we are only really just seeing Body specced sorcs why ? cuz mezz is broken in 2 secs thanks to zergs/banelords.

matter specced sorc for instance imo never gonna happen except if a player has more spec stones and feels like having a laugh.

only TRI spec sorc i know who has tried was RR11 and his max dmg on main nuke was about 400 (hmmm nuke base dmg = wat 700 ? with the same utility a tri spec would be ) at lower RR you may as well be /level 20 with the dmg output you would do.

in conclusion its not being biased its stating what you actually know within yourself, if you dont believe us COME PLAY ALB you will soon get pissed off as the many hibs/mids i have seen come before