Wireless Network

Clown · Feb 9, 2004

Right. There's my pretty little picture. That's how I'm thinking of setting up my stuff.

Computer 1 - My games computer, a bit noisy, don't want to leave it on all night. At the moment it is the only computer set up, and has the ADSL modem in it.

Computer 2 - This has lots of files and stuff on it. Wanted to leave it on all the time, downloading stuff when I'm not playing games and being the gateway type of thing for Computer 3. This won't have a monitor or any input devices after it is set up.

Computer 3 - My long lost brother keeps using Computer 1 for porn and stuff. He turns off my Ad-aware, and my Norton Anti-virus and surfs. I'll set up a shit computer for him to use.

NOW FOR MY QUESTIONS

It is possible to get the internet on Computer 3 the way this network is set up... right?
Will I be able to VNC into Computer 3 from 1?
How do I know whether the wireless stuff will work here? Is wireless networking 'reliable'? I've heard stories of guys losing so many packets and stuff that even IRC disconnect, with like 80% signal strength, and even in the same room
Did I spend too much time writing this post?

Thanks in advance people.

Deadmanwalking · Feb 9, 2004

1) Why not just stuff a wireless card into comp 3?

2) With above Yes

3) Can't really say. I have yet to see any bad experiences with it.

4)Yes.

Clown · Feb 9, 2004

I won't put another wireless card into 3 because they cost too much, and I already have a few network cards and a crossover (which is all the networking stuff I've got anyway).

Deadmanwalking · Feb 9, 2004

Ok then yes you can. With ICS you can share it via comp 2.

As for VNC i think you can still. However it would all hinge on the IP setup.

Clown · Feb 9, 2004

If the IP addresses get too confusing, I would just VNC into 2 and VNC from 2 into 3. WINDOW IN WINDOW IN WINDOW POWER!!

Gurnox · Feb 9, 2004

Clown said:
If the IP addresses get too confusing, I would just VNC into 2 and VNC from 2 into 3. WINDOW IN WINDOW IN WINDOW POWER!!

LAG UPON LAG UPON LAG DEPRESSION!!

Make a hosts file with the IPs in it and use the machine name if remembering 4 IPs on a class c network is going to be troublesome.

I know you don't want to spend the money, but shoving a wireless card into computer 3 is really going to make your life so much easier. Never set a network up like the one you've drawn (based on a crossover between 2 machines) but would have thought that you'll need to config computer 2 as a gateway and then use a static route on the other machines to make them 'see' the path to machine 3. Agro.

Clown · Feb 9, 2004

Maybe I'll just have to walk all the way over to the other room

Gurnox · Feb 9, 2004

Clown said:
Maybe I'll just have to walk all the way over to the other room

Sometimes life can be hard

Clown · Feb 9, 2004

So...

The router would have IP: 192.168.0.1
Computer 1 would have IP: 192.168.0.2
Computer 2 would have IP: 192.168.0.3
Computer 3 would have IP: 192.168.0.4

How do I get the internet access on my computers? The gateway IP is the router thing or summat? I DUNNO

This stuff makes me sad

RandomBastard · Feb 9, 2004

gateway ip = router ip

as long as the router has nat anyway.

Deadmanwalking · Feb 9, 2004

RandomBastard said:
gateway ip = router ip

as long as the router has nat anyway.

Even with static ips it's the gateway....

RandomBastard · Feb 9, 2004

Deadmanwalking said:
Even with static ips it's the gateway....

yes, with nat

dhcp is responsible for dynamic ips.

nat is responisble for translating internal ips to the internet one. without nat you have to have a real ip for each adaptor on the internet.

Clown · Feb 10, 2004

Will the computer that's wired into the router talk with the ones that are wireless?

MYstIC G · Feb 10, 2004

Clown this may sound stupid but after reading

Computer 1 - My games computer, a bit noisy, don't want to leave it on all night. At the moment it is the only computer set up, and has the ADSL modem in it.

is there a 23m distance between your current gaming rig & the phone socket you're using for ADSL?

Clown · Feb 10, 2004

20m. The phone line is downstairs and the computer is in my room. At the moment it's like phoneline with microfilter -> RJ11 (20m) -> Computer (with the modem in it).

Deadmanwalking · Feb 10, 2004

RandomBastard said:
yes, with nat

dhcp is responsible for dynamic ips.

nat is responisble for translating internal ips to the internet one. without nat you have to have a real ip for each adaptor on the internet.

But the gateway is still the router ip.

Insane · Feb 10, 2004

i think the first diagram IS possible if you use a software bridge on PC2 to connect both wired and wireless up, but it might be a bit glitchy and youd need to have pc2 running constantly so PC3 could access the rest of the network.

personally i'd wire up the server to the router with the network cable, if its running full 100mb full duplex then it would be hard to saturate the bandwidth on the network when sharing files or streaming files with the two wireless cards (which i presume will either be 54g or lower)

inactionman · Feb 10, 2004

Clown said:
Will the computer that's wired into the router talk with the ones that are wireless?

Yep, the router doesn't care what physical medium the computer's are on, as it bridges the traffic between the ethernet and the wireless.

How is the DG384G? It looks a nice all in one box, but I've had a few problems with my 814, all fixed now though.

Using wire for the games machine is a good idea, as if one of the wireless boxes starts acting up they can hose the wireless network, which would be a killer in the middle of a game, happens very rarely though!

Shame you can't traffic shape on it, as someone downloading pr0n can sure make your ping go to hell!

Clown · Feb 11, 2004

Well I got it all working, just basically... No encryption WEP stuff thingys.
ANYWAY I LIVE IN A MOTHER FUCKING LEAD HOUSE FUCK FUCK FUCK.

Not very good signal, but it's working.

Cheers all!

RandomBastard · Feb 11, 2004

all camp round clowns house for free bb

Clown · Feb 11, 2004

I wouldn't worry. I LIVE IN A NUCLEAR BUNKER

RedVenom · Feb 11, 2004

DeadMan O WATing said:
Even with static ips it's the gateway....

RandomBastard said:
yes, with nat

dhcp is responsible for dynamic ips.

nat is responisble for translating internal ips to the internet one. without nat you have to have a real ip for each adaptor on the internet.

Actually you wouldn't use the routers IP address as the gateway if the machines had static internetIP addresses. You'd use the downstream router because the "router" wouldn't be routing. It'd be acting as a hub/switch. The only time it might be acting like this is if you don't have a permentant connection.

NAT is responsible for translating any IP subnet to another in either a many->one or a many->many manner.

And you should know this Clown, unless you've been too busy picking winkles rather than doing your computing work.

RandomBastard · Feb 11, 2004

RedVenom said:
Actually you wouldn't use the routers IP address as the gateway if the machines had static internetIP addresses. You'd use the downstream router because the "router" wouldn't be routing. It'd be acting as a hub/switch. The only time it might be acting like this is if you don't have a permentant connection.

NAT is responsible for translating any IP subnet to another in either a many->one or a many->many manner.

And you should know this Clown, unless you've been too busy picking winkles rather than doing your computing work.

As you pointed out, dmw was thinking i was refering to static ips on a lan, but as you point out with realips the router isnt the gateway, hence my, with nat comment.

Macceh^ · Feb 13, 2004

How do I know whether the wireless stuff will work here? Is wireless networking 'reliable'? I've heard stories of guys losing so many packets and stuff that even IRC disconnect, with like 80% signal strength, and even in the same room

I used wireless networking for over a year as it just wasnt feasible to stretch a crossover cable from upstairs to downstairs. I wasnt even the main computer but my connection (ADSL 512kbs) speeds were fairly consistent never had major problems.

The problem with wireless though is it's generally the more expensive option if you want to do it right. Sometimes after a reboot getting them to find each other can be such a pain (although this depends on positioning etc).

As for signal strength, well results vary my two computers were very far from each other so the strength was never maximum but I never got terrible pings or outrageous download speeds always around the DSL average for my speed. In fact my pings were just as superb as when I had it connected straight to one computer.

However I now have my network setup differently and with the addition of a laptop wireless just became more of a hinderence than a space saver.

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