Take a step back

ebenezer · Jul 28, 2006

Ging said:
mine took 10 mins with photoshop - never used it before either

anyway i was getting bored of clearing my full pm box out from whines about avatar theft from a certain cleric....

i can see ur a beginner( not cause its ugly

)....many people over use lensflare when starting to learn photoshop

liloe · Jul 28, 2006

ebenezer said:
i can see ur a beginner( not cause its ugly)....many people over use lensflare when starting to learn photoshop

Is this starting to be about avatars here? =)

Well and Zagg, having fun is all nice, but not really on the back of others =)

eggy · Jul 28, 2006

Vodkafairy said:
a lot of fun posters have been permabanned

"fun posters" - name some "fun" posters that have been permabanned please. <Goes to mod forums to check who's been permabanned in last few months>:

Gimley (scammer/seller of eBay cheats)
Cynix (posted gay porn images)
Xverd (direct death threads towards a GM)
Mixal (direct personal attacks/threats towards members' family)
Herjulf (direct personal/racist attacks and direct death threats)
Jjuraa (direct racial/nazi attack)
VultureGirl (and MANY, MANY more aliases for WOW/DAOC Gold advertising)
WhiteAmerica (obvious, racism)
WhiteraceAwaken (obvious, racism)
Brite (repeated direct personal attacks)

etc, etc, the list goes on.

If you think racism, personal attacks, death threats and posting porn on a forum that kids read is acceptable, especially on a gaming forum...yes, a game (i.e. suggests fun), I seriously suggest you have a long hard think.

You even get chances on FH. A personal attack (depending on the severity) usually gives you a warning. A warning is non-visible to other FH users, it simply marks your account for the mods to keep an eye on you. Most sensible people would consider this warning, think about their actions and stop with the insults etc. Some don't, get several warnings and then temporarily banned. The even more idiotic will come back from their ban and carry on where they left off. At the end of the day, this is not to be tolerated.

Anyone posting threats or direct abuse towards other people will be banned. It's that simple. If anyone has a problem with this, well, they know what they can do.

Congax · Jul 28, 2006

Unban Brite! :fluffle:

Castus · Jul 28, 2006

Vodkafairy said:
Except liloe is male, and the last thing we need is another internet hero pretending to be a woman..........

:england:

Lorimez Shadowblade · Jul 28, 2006

Coldbeard said:
Threadstarter wants people to stop doing what makes this forum worth visiting.

If thats the case, it says an awful lot about the people who post/visit here?

/bow

Djib · Jul 28, 2006

Actually

Loonatik said:
Not sure if it's the heat or something else, but I have a feeling we're all a bit more grumpy than usual here at FH. We whine about realms, players, classes, abilities - even taking it to personal insults and verbal attacks.

Yesterday I paid a visit to https://forums.freddyshouse.com/forumdisplay.php?f=301 for the first time ever; I didn't know it existed until then. I spent quite some time reading the posts there (work is really slow atm...) and even downloaded the movie from Gamblor's memorial event.

If you haven't done it already, I suggest you take a look at the posts and keep them in mind the next time you are having an argument with somebody on FH.

There's nothing wrong with arguments (the community would be pretty darn boring without them) but they don't have to be so bloody personal. We're all human beings, and no matter if we play Albion, Hibernia or Midgard we're just trying to enjoy ourselves in a bunch of binary digits.

So, instead of creating the next FH whine,take a step back, take a deep breath and remember that there's a lot more important things in life.

I actually agree with what Loonatik says. others have voiced other opinions, and that's fine. However, I don't think there's anything wrong with Loonatik pointing out that we can sometimes take things (said/done ingame or on these boards) too seriously...a bit of perspective is all that is being called for.

Well said IMO.

Coldbeard · Jul 28, 2006

Personal attacks? Come on, it's the internet, not carebearnet :<

Coldbeard · Jul 28, 2006

Lorimez Shadowblade said:
If thats the case, it says an awful lot about the people who post/visit here?

/bow

Aye, to hell with them for wanting easy amusement and banter.

eggy · Jul 28, 2006

Coldbeard said:
Personal attacks? Come on, it's the internet, not carebearnet :<

Post on these forums = follow the rules of these forums.

Or, go elsewhere.

Coldbeard · Jul 28, 2006

eggy said:
Post on these forums = follow the rules of these forums.

Or, go elsewhere.

Automated reply? :eek:

Vodkafairy · Jul 28, 2006

eggy said:
If you think racism, personal attacks, death threats and posting porn on a forum that kids read is acceptable, especially on a gaming forum...yes, a game (i.e. suggests fun), I seriously suggest you have a long hard think.

And you need a long hard read at what my post actually said, if you are going to reply to it. Seems to me you are a very selective reader, you only post what makes you look good with no intention of replying to the actual post.

FH was way more fun when people could whine properly about some person or guild adding, when we could express our opinions towards people who got a realm ding, etc. Venting frustration has always been part of daoc forums, it made it a lot of fun to read sometimes + made for nice rvr the day after.

It's my opinion that the strict moderating and the creation of the separate grats threads forum has wrecked a large part of the spirit of FH, and no matter how many useless lists you bring up with, that'll remain the same.

Sure I can enjoy a good, mature discussion aswell, and have participated in many the past years, but just those don't make for a good forum for a game like this.

And eggy do me a favour and don't bother replying to this post, show me that you got the capacity to swallow your toungue. Rather no reply then another crap one

You weren't a mod when most of the damage was done anyways.

eggy · Jul 28, 2006

Vodkafairy said:
And you need a long hard read at what my post actually said, if you are going to reply to it. Seems to me you are a very selective reader, you only post what makes you look good with no intention of replying to the actual post.

I read the post through; I was merely replying to one part of it which I felt the most strongly about. I still would like to see your list of "fun" people who have been banned.

Vodkafairy said:
FH was way more fun when people could whine properly about some person or guild adding, when we could express our opinions towards people who got a realm ding, etc.

You can express opinions. "Good achievement but now maybe you should focus more on 1on1 fights" <-- great! "idiot adder tard" <--bad!

Vodkafairy said:
Venting frustration has always been part of daoc forums, it made it a lot of fun to read sometimes + made for nice rvr the day after.

For you perhaps. For a lot of people, nope. Keep the abuse to IRC.

Vodkafairy said:
It's my opinion that the strict moderating and the creation of the separate grats threads forum has wrecked a large part of the spirit of FH, and no matter how many useless lists you bring up with, that'll remain the same.

Useless lists? The list was the last people to be banned permanently from FH...all for direct death threats/abuse...I was showing you that your claim that many "fun" people have been permanently banned was biased and written without full knowledge of who has been banned.

The majority of people wanted the seperate grats forum...so we gave it to you...now some of the same people who wanted it whine about it...

Vodkafairy said:
Sure I can enjoy a good, mature discussion aswell, and have participated in many the past years, but just those don't make for a good forum for a game like this.

Yes you do participate in mature discussion; I applaud it when you do as you show knowledge and passion for the game - great.

Vodkafairy said:
And eggy do me a favour and don't bother replying to this post, show me that you got the capacity to swallow your toungue. Rather no reply then another crap one You weren't a mod when most of the damage was done anyways.

I still fail to see how a reply showing you recent banned abusers is a "crap" post. I will reply to any post I see fit (after all, it's a public forum).

noaim · Jul 28, 2006

Should show warnings in public imo so everyone can see how fair the mods are when they are handing them out. That ofc wont happen, but it would be interesting if it did.

Cant say I mind the level the moderation is at atm though, I have been flaming and acting like a prick in general without getting warned, I assume because I havent used bad words and personal insults. I do however mind that mods are obviously warning some people easier than they warn others.

eggy · Jul 28, 2006

noaim said:
Cant say I mind the level the moderation is at atm though, I have been flaming and acting like a prick in general without getting warned, I assume because I havent used bad words and personal insults. I do however mind that mods are obviously warning some people easier than they warn others.

Exactly...you have been giving your "opinion" on matters without lowering yourself to personal attacks and insults...nothing wrong there.

Mods can give whatever % warning they like. Don't forget, a warning is simply that...a "shock" designed to say...carry on and you're out. People even complain about 10% warnings...they're simply notes and bumps to get people to play nice.

Someone who should know better or has had a similar warning before will usually get a larger warning than a first-timer, depends on what they say/do and how they react.

End of the day, if we want someone off the forums completely, we can do it without argument...so don't forget, next time you find yourself with a warning...that mod is actually being more lenient than they could be.

Vodkafairy · Jul 28, 2006

eggy said:
I read the post through; I was merely replying to one part of it which I felt the most strongly about. I still would like to see your list of "fun" people who have been banned.

I already agreed people who make irl threats and crap like that deserve a ban, so sure I agree with those bans. No reason to push further on a point we already share the same opinion on.

You can express opinions. "Good achievment but now maybe you should focus more on 1on1 fights" <-- great! "idiot adder tard" <--bad!

I would love to call people adding scum sometimes.

I don't play much anymore and I wish I had the energy to care enough about adds, but I don't anymore. Still, if you play with complete disrespect to the other two realms you can expect abuse if you stick your head out in a community for all realms. I don't hold grudges towards anyone irl, but expression opinion about someone playstyle on FH should be allowed tbh. Flame or not.

For you perhaps. For a lot of people, nope. Keep the abuse to IRC.

I see no difference. If you go to places people from the other realms are you can expect to be disliked no?

Useless lists? The list was the last people to be banned permanently from FH...all for direct death threats/abuse...I was showing you that your claim that many "fun" people have been permanently banned was biased and written without full knowledge of who has been banned.

Yes my memory sucks, I know - but I'm quite sure a lot of fun posters have been banned, might go further back then the past months tho

The majority of people wanted the seperate grats forum...so we gave it to you...now some of the same people who wanted it whine about it...

I never wanted such a forum. Can't find the most recent poll about the subject but afaik it was a pretty small majority that actually wanted a separate board.

I still fail to see how a reply showing you recent banned abusers is a "crap" post. I will reply to any post I see fit (after all, it's a public forum).

Because my bad memory isn't the point of this discussion - my point is flaming is just as much part of a daoc forum and a community like this one as a proper discussion about game mechanic x or y. Most recent ban (and I really hope it's not permanent) is censi, pisses me off. His posts are usually brilliant, and if he would be gone it would hurt the community bad.

Vodkafairy · Jul 28, 2006

or maybe fh turning crap is a direct reflection of the community itself falling apart, personally i think the game itself got a lot better with toa but the spirit of the game and community went downhill fast after toa release and even faster after NF.

eggy · Jul 28, 2006

This is the only grats forum poll I can find, and it's pretty much 50/50...read what you like into that.

Censi was banned as his warning topped 100%. He's now had a few temporary bans from personal attacks and abusive flaming. Hopefully, he'll come back from this temporary ban (it's already expired) and continue to post without the abuse...if not, well no doubt Jupitus will have grown tired of him by then.

And I do agree, he does post useful and meaningful things - many of the "hardcore" players do...but far too often, with addiction comes frustration and hatred towards other people...and like many others he lets himself down by being abusive on occasion. If we get complaints, it means people are offended...and that's what triggers a warning; like it or not I'm afraid

Coldbeard · Jul 28, 2006

If you get complaints, the person(s) complaining is more likely to complain due to disliking the person, rather than being offended by him.

Vodkafairy · Jul 28, 2006

Post the list of the warnings he has gotten and I'm sure the majority will think they are foolish. But this thread isn't about him, so nevermind

Hatret, lol, what the fuck

Censi is sarcastic about almost anything, as Coldbeard said, pip most likely reported him for disliking him in general. Or even worse, to be a general ****. Not very surprising coming from someone who plays a WL to rr10!

Afaik you pushed for the grats thread forum because you wanted it personally, seems hard to believe you were just "answering the call of the community" when its just a 3-4% margin.

ebenezer · Jul 28, 2006

Vodkafairy said:
Because my bad memory isn't the point of this discussion - my point is flaming is just as much part of a daoc forum and a community like this one as a proper discussion about game mechanic x or y. Most recent ban (and I really hope it's not permanent) is censi, pisses me off. His posts are usually brilliant, and if he would be gone it would hurt the community bad.

I know quite amount of people who doesnt care for censis antics here^^
He can post some nice stuff, i agree to that. But he can also be a real asshole to people.
I heard so many testimonies since the dawn of daoc about what he is capable of. Involving personal attacks..banning people in his own realms cause he doesnt like them etc etc..list goes on.
he seem to have no real respect for anyone, except his friends.
And he is the one going on about honor etc..lol...its bs spewing out , just pure bull.
Everyone have respect for their own friends, its trying to respect people that you dont know, and people having different opinions then urself, thats hard.

He may be sarcastic and say its all an act etc, well its a darn shitty act and a lot of people dont care for it.
I agree to that must be able to have heated discussions about the game, but that means in the same way you would have a heated discussions in rl.
Why do people have to put up an act and try to say/be stuff they are not cause its internet??? I never got that part tbh..
Maybe im old fashioned i dont know, but lots of waht i see here on FH is what i really despise with inet.
Freedom of speach is great, but inet turns people that are normaly quiet as churchmouses into drewling lunetics^^
Its sick....twisted tbh. Talk about roleplaying lol...
over and out.

ebenezer · Jul 28, 2006

noaim said:
Should show warnings in public imo so everyone can see how fair the mods are when they are handing them out. That ofc wont happen, but it would be interesting if it did.

Cant say I mind the level the moderation is at atm though, I have been flaming and acting like a prick in general without getting warned, I assume because I havent used bad words and personal insults. I do however mind that mods are obviously warning some people easier than they warn others.

yeh ur so suave and cool m8

I admire people that confuse rl with a game!
And your so good at finding the right words and being rude in an intellegent way...you are truly best in everything!

Ging · Jul 28, 2006

Ebenezer is my hero atm :worthy:

ebenezer · Jul 28, 2006

Ging said:
Ebenezer is my hero atm :worthy:

im on all fronts!

eggy · Jul 28, 2006

Vodkafairy said:
Afaik you pushed for the grats thread forum because you wanted it personally, seems hard to believe you were just "answering the call of the community" when its just a 3-4% margin.

I voted no for the forum, iirc.

Besides, it's nothing to do with me if the forum is produced or not, that's the higher powers.

censi · Jul 28, 2006

what about this thread eggy.

just from a neutral perspective as a mod. Are all the points I make not 100 valid?

after like making the initial defense prior to this link, all those synergy guys responded with nothing to do with the point but basicaly calling me a faggot, and a wanker etc. (not modded out either)

so does lame old censi start throwing shit back at them or does he try and encourage a discussion about the debait where they can actually argue the points im making calmly.

funnily enough none of the profanity crew replied or wanted to have a progressive discussion about the "point"...

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showpost.php?p=2902508&postcount=450

can you not admit that basically you want me banned and have chipped away at my warning meter to the point where u have a license to do what you want when you want. under the guise that "he wasnt banned its just another warning!" dispite the fact im more banned than unbanned nowadays!

maybe im wrong and im just an asshole as epeenerz says, but I dunno I feel a bit hard done by here tbh.

Coldbeard · Jul 28, 2006

ebenezer said:
im on all fronts!

And always with unreadable fonts!

Couldn't resist :<

Vodkafairy · Jul 28, 2006

eggy said:
I voted no for the forum, iirc.

Besides, it's nothing to do with me if the forum is produced or not, that's the higher powers.

Oh really?

censi · Jul 28, 2006

Oh really?

doh pwned

eggy · Jul 28, 2006

Vodkafairy said:
Oh really?

In October 2005 I voted against it, but as the majority wanted one, in May 2006 I suggested one put in place and voted for it internally to satisfy that majority.

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