Cleric template - The one to beat!
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Asha said:It's the same as your logic with Jacina. Just because it give added value - it doesn't change your basic resists. You can have higher basic resists AND croc ring.
I still say your template is quite good
Jacina's isint dependable iknow, like i said, sometimes u get the bonus sometime you dont, 40PP is still enough.
But Ctr IS 5% less dmg, how is that not dependable, and why shouldnt it be factored in?
Exsample:
Someone nuking/hitting me, will be hitting me for less with Ctr and 24%, than they will you with no Ctr and 26%.
Iknow i would have better resists if i had them all capped AND had Ctr, but why frown unpon my resists when they are better than most templates?
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I think her point was: if you have 26% resists to everything and CTR it has more resists than your template
However if you're saying that 26% resists to everything (or rather the resists you quoted) without CTR is equivalent to your templates resists including CTR you're right
However if you're saying that 26% resists to everything (or rather the resists you quoted) without CTR is equivalent to your templates resists including CTR you're right
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Flimgoblin said:I think her point was: if you have 26% resists to everything and CTR it has more resists than your template
However if you're saying that 26% resists to everything (or rather the resists you quoted) without CTR is equivalent to your templates resists including CTR you're right
Ye iknow, and she is right. Its a shame i cant fit more in. But look at the following quotes from this tread, all say its bad resists.
Thats why im trying to either educate ppl, or be told where im wrong.
Arethir said:
Bonehead said:Low resists AND 112 hits?
Yea you are right. That will be hard to beat!
Martok said:
scorge said:not bad template, think the sleeves will be the most expensive item to get
i would prefer capped resists, but know this is not always possible
Tsabo said:
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tbh looking at it the only resists that are low enough to worry me are spirit, energy and matter - all uncommon resist types.
Heat at 22% is a concern because it's a dd resist but it's far from "bad" (especially given you have the additional 4% conversion)
Some people just have a thing for 26% resist to everything I suppose
Heat at 22% is a concern because it's a dd resist but it's far from "bad" (especially given you have the additional 4% conversion)
Some people just have a thing for 26% resist to everything I suppose
Some mathematics to help the heat resist debate.
9% heat vs 50% debuff and 10% piercing (assuming red friar resist): -4%
(33- 24 [debuff vs resists]- 26/2 [debuff vs item])
26% heat vs 50% debuff and 10% piercing (assuming red friar resist): 3%
(50- 24 [debuff vs resists]- 26/2 [debuff vs item]- 10 [resist pierce])
9% heat vs 50% debuff and 10% piercing (assuming 10% DR resist): -11%
(19- 10 [debuff vs resists]- 40/2 [debuff vs item])
26% heat vs 50% debuff and 10% piercing (assuming 10% DR resist): 0%
(36- 10 [debuff vs resists]- 40/2 [debuff vs item]- 6 [resist pierce])
9% heat vs 50% debuff and 10% piercing (assuming red friar resist): -4%
(33- 24 [debuff vs resists]- 26/2 [debuff vs item])
26% heat vs 50% debuff and 10% piercing (assuming red friar resist): 3%
(50- 24 [debuff vs resists]- 26/2 [debuff vs item]- 10 [resist pierce])
9% heat vs 50% debuff and 10% piercing (assuming 10% DR resist): -11%
(19- 10 [debuff vs resists]- 40/2 [debuff vs item])
26% heat vs 50% debuff and 10% piercing (assuming 10% DR resist): 0%
(36- 10 [debuff vs resists]- 40/2 [debuff vs item]- 6 [resist pierce])
Debuffs do go under 0% as far as I know, would like to see a test proving otherwise thoughKerith said:
.The efficiency of debuffs is halved versus item resists and counts normal versus buffed resists (as I showed in the calculations by -24 [vs buffs] -26/2 [vs item]).
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noblok said:Debuffs do go under 0% as far as I know, would like to see a test proving otherwise though
The efficiency of debuffs is halved versus item resists and counts normal versus buffed resists (as I showed in the calculations by -24 [vs buffs] -26/2 [vs item]).
ah i c now ^^, and yes im pretty sure you can't be debuffed lower than 0%
This thread seems to imply otherwise. Don't have a debuffer myself or I'd do a quick test .
.Im not sure where you got that formula from Noblok, but its not in line with how the game works out resists after resist debuff.
First off the info the heat debuff gives is kinda wrong. This is the info you get from http://www.camelotherald.com/spells/spell.php?sp_id=2970
Empower Heat
Spell Level: 49
Category: Debuff (Heat Resistance)
Target's resistance to Heat damage is lowered.
Effect: -50
The delve of the spell ingame is also wrong, it says:
Empower Heat
Lowers the value of the target's resistance buffs or items to the listed damage type.
Base value of spell: 50
Resist decreased: Heat
-- Resists from spell-based buffs reduced 37%
-- Resists from item-based buffs reduced 18%
None on this is correct. Hope you follow me this far. The whole description is just verry wrong. To start with, it actully debuffs for an effecient 31% from you item-based resists. Then it checks for a resist buff. We will come to this later, but lets start with these 4 easy scenarios. You have the result of the debuff on the left.
0% item-based heat resist, 0% spell-based resist buff (-31%)
7% item-based heat resist, 0% spell-based resist buff (-24%)
16% item-based heat resist, 0% spell-based resist buff (-15%)
25% item-based heat resist, 0% spell-based resist buff (-6%)
Good you made it this far, now! How does it debuff the friar/shamman/CL resists? Well its verry easy to explain it just strippes the resist buff into half.
So if you have 10% from CL you get +5%, if you got 16% you only get 8%, and 12% from a 24% resist buff.
Scenario 2.
0% item-based heat resist, 10% spell-based (CL) resist buff (-26%)
7% item-based heat resist, 16% spell-based (Friar) resist buff (-16%)
16% item-based heat resist, 16% spell-based (Friar) resist buff (-7%)
25% item-based heat resist, 24% spell-based (Friar) resist buff (+6%)
I hope you understand how it works now.. This is also where resist piercing comes into play, you cant take it into account until you nuke the target. The bonus actully dosent work how it should (lucky us enchanters) cause IF you have lets say a positive heat resist after debuff, that little part is actully counted as item-based when nuked on. Even thou its from your resist-buff, thus making enchanters nuke on minimum 0% heat or lower.
Questions? Go ahead, just remember whatever item resist you have, stripp 31% from it and half your resist-buff, and then if its positive put away max 10% (cant go negative). And then you know how much your effecient heat is vs the caster.
ps! Negative energy resists gives enchanters a huge damage boost, im not sure how much, but I find it amazing
First off the info the heat debuff gives is kinda wrong. This is the info you get from http://www.camelotherald.com/spells/spell.php?sp_id=2970
Empower Heat
Spell Level: 49
Category: Debuff (Heat Resistance)
Target's resistance to Heat damage is lowered.
Effect: -50
The delve of the spell ingame is also wrong, it says:
Empower Heat
Lowers the value of the target's resistance buffs or items to the listed damage type.
Base value of spell: 50
Resist decreased: Heat
-- Resists from spell-based buffs reduced 37%
-- Resists from item-based buffs reduced 18%
None on this is correct. Hope you follow me this far. The whole description is just verry wrong. To start with, it actully debuffs for an effecient 31% from you item-based resists. Then it checks for a resist buff. We will come to this later, but lets start with these 4 easy scenarios. You have the result of the debuff on the left.
0% item-based heat resist, 0% spell-based resist buff (-31%)
7% item-based heat resist, 0% spell-based resist buff (-24%)
16% item-based heat resist, 0% spell-based resist buff (-15%)
25% item-based heat resist, 0% spell-based resist buff (-6%)
Good you made it this far, now! How does it debuff the friar/shamman/CL resists? Well its verry easy to explain it just strippes the resist buff into half.
So if you have 10% from CL you get +5%, if you got 16% you only get 8%, and 12% from a 24% resist buff.
Scenario 2.
0% item-based heat resist, 10% spell-based (CL) resist buff (-26%)
7% item-based heat resist, 16% spell-based (Friar) resist buff (-16%)
16% item-based heat resist, 16% spell-based (Friar) resist buff (-7%)
25% item-based heat resist, 24% spell-based (Friar) resist buff (+6%)
I hope you understand how it works now.. This is also where resist piercing comes into play, you cant take it into account until you nuke the target. The bonus actully dosent work how it should (lucky us enchanters) cause IF you have lets say a positive heat resist after debuff, that little part is actully counted as item-based when nuked on. Even thou its from your resist-buff, thus making enchanters nuke on minimum 0% heat or lower.
Questions? Go ahead, just remember whatever item resist you have, stripp 31% from it and half your resist-buff, and then if its positive put away max 10% (cant go negative). And then you know how much your effecient heat is vs the caster.
ps! Negative energy resists gives enchanters a huge damage boost, im not sure how much, but I find it amazing
debuffed my bot a couple of days ago (before the patch) and i reach my cap with nukes constatnly if the target is debuffed to -16 in body. if the target has red resist buffs and 16% body in template (all the body resist items i had on the char) im debuffing it to -3 in body and getting a veriance from 580- 610 or something. this was tested for about 10nukes on my bot so cant say the information is verry accurate but atleast that was what i found out. have notice a bit of a dmg loss since the patch tho. guess i gotta test again.
test done on cabalist with red body debuff btw
test done on cabalist with red body debuff btw
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Nice one, Mess. Came to very similar template from another side, it has a bit more HP and power, slightly reaaranged resists (mainly ignored matter and energy) and doesnt have CTR.
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OKI Build Report
Name: Corpsman
Race: Briton
Class: Cleric
Level: 50
Dual Wield
Item Utility: 553.0
Build Utility: 553.0
Useable Utility: 553.0
TOA Utility: 480.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Statistic
Strength: 0/75
Constitution: 75/75
Dexterity: 101/101
Quickness: 0/75
Intelligence: 0/75
Piety: 100/101
Charisma: 0/75
Empathy: 0/75
Hits: 156/280
Power: 0/41
Resistance
Body: 25/26
Cold: 23/26
Heat: 20/26
Energy: 5/26
Matter: 5/26
Spirit: 16/26+5
Crush: 24/26+2
Thrust: 25/26
Slash: 22/26+3
Cap Increase
Dexterity: 28/26
Piety: 28/26
Hits: 80/200
Power: 16/50
TOA Bonus
Armour Factor: 14/50
Power Pool: 42/41
Buff Effectiveness: 26/25
Healing Effectiveness: 25/25
Spell Duration: 14/25
Casting Speed: 10/10
Spell Range: 13/10
Chest (Eirene's Chestpiece (Cleric)):
Imbue: 18.0
Acuity: 15
Body: 5%
Slash: 5%
Buff Effectiveness: 5
Acuity (Cap Increase): 5
Healing Effectiveness: 5
Utility: 30.0
TOA Utility: 30.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Arms (Lightning Etched Chain Sleeves):
Imbue: 8.0
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 8
Acuity (Cap Increase): 8
Casting Speed: 2
Power Pool: 6
Acuity: 12
Spell Duration: 4
Utility: 8.0
TOA Utility: 62.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Head (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
Dexterity: 25
Constitution: 19
Body: 9%
Crush: 7%
Utility: 61.3
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Legs (Chausses of Intrepid Souls):
Imbue: 17.0
Dexterity: 15
Thrust: 7%
Piety (Cap Increase): 5
Power (Cap Increase): 6
Power Pool: 6
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 5
Utility: 24.0
TOA Utility: 44.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Hands (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
Dexterity: 25
Constitution: 25
Cold: 7%
Thrust: 7%
Utility: 61.3
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Feet (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.0/32 (Quality: 100)
Piety: 10
Cold: 11%
Heat: 9%
Constitution: 16
Utility: 57.3
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Right Hand (Cleric Dextera Mace (DR)):
Imbue: 0.0
Power Pool: 6
Casting Speed: 4
Spell Range: 4
Healing Effectiveness: 6
Power (Cap Increase): 5
Acuity (Cap Increase): 4
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 4
Utility: 0.0
TOA Utility: 90.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Left Hand (Maleficent Darkspire Shield):
Imbue: 17.0
Piety: 18
Hits: 40
Piety (Cap Increase): 6
Buff Effectiveness: 4
Power Pool: 6
Spell Duration: 4
Utility: 22.0
TOA Utility: 40.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Neck (Ethereal Plant):
Imbue: 27.0
Constitution: 15
Acuity: 15
Heat: 5%
Cold: 5%
Energy: 5%
Buff Effectiveness: 5
Utility: 50.0
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Cloak (Feathered Wrap):
Imbue: 40.0
Body: 6%
Spirit: 11%
Crush: 6%
Thrust: 6%
Slash: 6%
Utility: 70.0
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Jewel (Egg of Youth):
Imbue: 24.0
Crush: 5%
Thrust: 5%
Slash: 5%
Hits: 32
Healing Effectiveness: 8
Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Acuity: 12
Utility: 46.0
TOA Utility: 26.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Belt (Jacina's Sash):
Imbue: 0.0
Buff Effectiveness: 6
Power (Cap Increase): 5
Power Pool: 5
Spell Range: 5
Spell Duration: 6
Utility: 0.0
TOA Utility: 69.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Left Ring (Maleficent Darkspire Adroit Ring):
Imbue: 27.5
Dexterity: 18
Heat: 6%
Crush: 6%
Hits: 44
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 6
Armour Factor: 6
Utility: 47.0
TOA Utility: 18.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Right Ring (The Scorpions Tail):
Imbue: 0.0
Armour Factor: 8
Buff Effectiveness: 6
Healing Effectiveness: 6
Casting Speed: 4
Power Pool: 7
Utility: 0.0
TOA Utility: 66.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Left Wrist (Bracelet of Zo'arkat):
Imbue: 24.0
Body: 5%
Matter: 5%
Spirit: 5%
Power Pool: 6
Acuity: 18
Spell Range: 4
Utility: 42.0
TOA Utility: 32.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Right Wrist (Ceremonial Bracers (DEX)):
Imbue: 22.0
Dexterity: 18
Slash: 6%
Hits: 40
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 5
Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 34.0
TOA Utility: 20.0
PvE Utility: 0.0I still think it's a damn shame I don't get /use2 on Jacinas for power regen.
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Stats
Hits: 220
Con: 75
Pie: 90
Dex: 101
Resists
Body: 25
Cold: 25
Heat: 25
Matter: 18
Energy: 12
Spirit: 10 (5)
Crush: 24 (2)
Slash: 24 (3)
Thrust: 22
Cap Increases
26 Dex
80 Hits
18 Pie
17 Power
Other Bonuses
12 Spell Duration Bonus
25 Buff Bonus
24 Healing Bonus
9 Spell Range Bonus
10 Casting Speed Bonus
8 AF Bonus
40 Power Percentage Bonus
Piece Listing
Chest
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 25 Dexterity - 99 flawless Vapor Essence
Gem 2: 28 Constitution - 99 perfect Earthen Essence
Gem 3: 7 Crush Resist - 99 imperfect Fiery Shielding
Gem 4: 5 Body Resist - 99 flawed Dusty Shielding
Utility: 59.33
Arms
Name: Lightning Etched Chain Sleeves
Head
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 22 Dexterity - 99 precious Vapor Essence
Gem 2: 9 Cold Resist - 99 polished Icy Shielding
Gem 3: 9 Body Resist - 99 polished Dusty Shielding
Gem 4: 7 Heat Resist - 99 imperfect Heated Shielding
Utility: 64.67
Legs
Name: Cleric Epic Legs
Hands
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 60 Hits - 99 precious Blood Essence
Gem 2: 9 Heat Resist - 99 polished Heated Shielding
Gem 3: 9 Matter Resist - 99 polished Earthen Shielding
Gem 4: 7 Cold Resist - 99 imperfect Icy Shielding
Utility: 65.00
Feet
Name: Lightning Etched Chain Boots
Right Hand: ROG mace
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 21 Dexterity
Effect 2: 3 Energy Resist
Effect 3: 5 Acuity Cap Increase
Effect 4: 9 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 5: 2 Spell Duration Bonus
Utility: 20.00
Left Hand
Name: Golden Runed Defender
Neck
Name: Eternal Plant
Cloak
Name: Grand Summoner's Silken Mantle
Jewel
Name: Egg of Youth
Belt
Name: Jacinas Sash
Right Ring
Name: Crocodile Tears Ring
Left Ring
Name: Scorpion Tails Ring
Right Wrist
Name: Ceremonial Bracer
Left Wrist
Name: Bracer of Zo'arkat
Asha
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More hits, but missing 4 con. Capped TOA stuff - except ppool but really it's impossible to get much more. Missing some pie cap, oh well. Resists are pretty good. All the toys are there.
After pvp'ing for about 2 days, I am not running around w/o capping buff eff..... it's a complate pain to switch out.
After pvp'ing for about 2 days, I am not running around w/o capping buff eff..... it's a complate pain to switch out.
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Class: Cleric
Level: 50
Dual Wield
Item Utility: 569.7
Build Utility: 569.7
Useable Utility: 565.0
TOA Utility: 456.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Statistic
Strength: 0/75
Constitution: 71/75
Dexterity: 101/101
Quickness: 0/75
Intelligence: 0/75
Piety: 105/98
Charisma: 0/75
Empathy: 0/75
Hits: 204/320
Power: 0/35
Resistance
Body: 21/26
Cold: 25/26+5
Heat: 9/26
Energy: 15/26
Matter: 9/26
Spirit: 23/26
Crush: 20/26+3
Thrust: 23/26
Slash: 22/26+2
Cap Increase
Dexterity: 29/26
Piety: 23/26
Hits: 120/200
Power: 10/50
TOA Bonus
Armour Factor: 8/50
Power Pool: 36/35
Buff Effectiveness: 26/25
Healing Effectiveness: 25/25
Spell Duration: 14/25
Casting Speed: 10/10
Spell Range: 13/10
Fatigue: 1/25
Chest (Eirene's Hauberk):
Imbue: 18.0
Piety: 15
Piety (Cap Increase): 5
Slash: 5%
Thrust: 5%
Buff Effectiveness: 5
Healing Effectiveness: 5
Utility: 30.0
TOA Utility: 30.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Arms (Lightning Etched Chain Sleeves):
Imbue: 8.0
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 8
Acuity (Cap Increase): 8
Casting Speed: 2
Power Pool: 6
Acuity: 12
Spell Duration: 4
Utility: 8.0
TOA Utility: 62.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Head (Crown of Intrepid Souls):
Imbue: 27.0
Dexterity: 18
Body: 6%
Energy: 6%
Hits: 40
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 5
Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 46.0
TOA Utility: 20.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Legs (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
Constitution: 28
Dexterity: 28
Cold: 9%
Crush: 2%
Utility: 59.3
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Hands (Maleficent Darkspire Barbed Gauntlets):
Imbue: 32.5
Dexterity: 21
Spirit: 7%
Crush: 7%
Thrust: 7%
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 7
Fatigue: 1
Utility: 56.0
TOA Utility: 16.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Feet (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.0/32 (Quality: 100)
Constitution: 28
Dexterity: 16
Cold: 7%
Hits: 52
Utility: 56.3
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Right Hand (Cleric Dextera Mace):
Imbue: 0.0
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 4
Healing Effectiveness: 6
Acuity (Cap Increase): 4
Casting Speed: 4
Power (Cap Increase): 5
Power Pool: 6
Spell Range: 4
Utility: 0.0
TOA Utility: 90.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Left Hand (Maleficent Darkspire Shield):
Imbue: 17.0
Piety: 18
Hits: 40
Piety (Cap Increase): 6
Buff Effectiveness: 4
Power Pool: 6
Spell Duration: 4
Utility: 22.0
TOA Utility: 40.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Neck (Eternal Plant):
Imbue: 27.0
Acuity: 15
Constitution: 15
Heat: 5%
Cold: 5%
Energy: 5%
Buff Effectiveness: 5
Utility: 50.0
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Cloak (Feathered Wrap):
Imbue: 40.0
Body: 6%
Spirit: 11%
Crush: 6%
Thrust: 6%
Slash: 6%
Utility: 70.0
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Jewel (Egg of Youth):
Imbue: 24.0
Crush: 5%
Thrust: 5%
Slash: 5%
Hits: 32
Healing Effectiveness: 8
Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Acuity: 12
Utility: 46.0
TOA Utility: 26.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Belt (Jacina's Sash):
Imbue: 0.0
Buff Effectiveness: 6
Power (Cap Increase): 5
Power Pool: 5
Spell Range: 5
Spell Duration: 6
Utility: 0.0
TOA Utility: 69.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Left Ring (Crocodile Tear Ring):
Imbue: 25.0
Body: 4%
Cold: 4%
Heat: 4%
Energy: 4%
Matter: 4%
Acuity: 15
Utility: 50.0
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Right Ring (The Scorpions Tail):
Imbue: 0.0
Armour Factor: 8
Buff Effectiveness: 6
Healing Effectiveness: 6
Casting Speed: 4
Power Pool: 7
Utility: 0.0
TOA Utility: 66.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Left Wrist (Ceremonial Bracers (DEX)):
Imbue: 22.0
Dexterity: 18
Slash: 6%
Hits: 40
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 5
Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 34.0
TOA Utility: 20.0
PvE Utility: 0.0
Right Wrist (Bracelet of Zo'arkat):
Imbue: 24.0
Body: 5%
Matter: 5%
Spirit: 5%
Power Pool: 6
Acuity: 18
Spell Range: 4
Utility: 42.0
TOA Utility: 32.0
PvE Utility: 0.0