Zerkers & Shadowzerkers be warned :)

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bone_idle

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Have you lot seen this. Weve probably got a couple of months before its implemented but it big ups the BM's & Mercs. Zerkers especialy read about the BM's triple wield ability, no more crits :D

Taken from camelotherald :-

MERCENARY AND BLADEMASTER UPDATES

Blademaster Changes

- The Blademaster Triple Wield special ability has been updated. It is now on a 7 minute re-use timer (it was previously set to 30 minutes). It now will stack properly with other damage adds - it will always increase damage no matter what other buffs or damage adds are currently affecting the Blademaster. Triple Wield also now makes Blademasters immune to critical melee damage.

- The Ice Storm -> Tempest -> Supernova chain has been modified for Blademasters only (i.e. Rangers and Nightshades are not affected by this). The damage for each has been increased, and Ice Storm now has a short stun component.

- Increased bleed damage for Celtic Dual combat styles Tempest and Twin Star. This is a Blademaster ONLY change - other classes that receive Celtic Dual will not see increased bleed effects on these styles.


Mercenary Changes

- The Mercenary Dirty Tricks special ability is now on a 7 minute re-use timer (it was previously set to 30 minutes), and has changed in effect. It now activates a 30 second offensive proc effect on the Mercenary that applies a 10 second debuff on the Mercenary's target every time it is hit. This debuff gives the target a 50% chance to fumble all their melee attacks while under the debuff's effect.

- The damage for both styles in the Flank -> Shadow's Rain combat style chain has been increased for Mercenaries only (Infiltrators are not affected).

- Increased bleed damage for Dual Wield combat styles Dark Tendrils and Dual Shadows. This is a Mercenary ONLY change - other classes that receive Dual Wield will not see increased bleed effects on these styles.


Left Axe Changes

- Reduced the damage done by Left Axe Combat Styles. This will affect both classes that can specialize in Left Axe (Berserkers and Shadowblades).



Should make some interesting fights. Oh and btw, TW is the BM's self damage add. It adds between 50 & 60 damage per weapon. Oh and i guess the left hand bit wont bother you much either.
 
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klavrynd

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no, i saw it 20 minutes ago and there's 3 posts about it on general


that and im as pissed off as a bum that thought he bought a blueberry but it seemed to be a dogturd
 
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mannschaft

Guest
Well, what can i say? Just one more reason to quit really. Come on Mythic, give us Mids a HUMUNGUS nerf so all albs and hibs can run around with killer RA's and no opponents. Think about that before you go all crazy with joy dear foes. Just take al ook at the sesspool Camlann. No enemys equals a dead game. Such a shame that we don't get nerfed so much that we all quit. But this is surely a step in the right direction.

I wish that Mythic soon is under Chapter 11, i really think they are a bunch of fumbling gits.
 
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Groborthir

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"Triple Wield also now makes Blademasters immune to critical melee damage."

Yay! Now there's no friggin' reason for us zerkers to use frenzy on a BM. I reckon in the next patch they will make the TW affect the entire group at the rate things are going by.

"The Ice Storm -> Tempest -> Supernova chain has been modified for Blademasters only (i.e. Rangers and Nightshades are not affected by this). The damage for each has been increased, and Ice Storm now has a short stun component."

Pffiiihihihiahahahaththhiiiihahahaha ... I've still got to see one zerker/sb who uses the 3-hit combo in RvR, and I fairly, surely, heavily doubt BM's will use it neither.

"Increased bleed damage for Celtic Dual combat styles Tempest and Twin Star. This is a Blademaster ONLY change - other classes that receive Celtic Dual will not see increased bleed effects on these styles."

Not an issue against a zerker, but I would imagine this could annoy some of the stealther classes.

"The Mercenary Dirty Tricks special ability is now on a 7 minute re-use timer (it was previously set to 30 minutes), and has changed in effect. It now activates a 30 second offensive proc effect on the Mercenary that applies a 10 second debuff on the Mercenary's target every time it is hit. This debuff gives the target a 50% chance to fumble all their melee attacks while under the debuff's effect."

What's the duration of TW? Also 30 seconds? Give zerkers 30 seconds of frenzy too, then. Dumbass Mythics.

"Reduced the damage done by Left Axe Combat Styles. This will affect both classes that can specialize in Left Axe (Berserkers and Shadowblades)."

Yeah, boost Albs 'n Hibs and nerf Mids! That makes sense!

I do look forward to see a challenge when meeting a merc or BM, though. At this stage they are more or less shite. Only Mythic's way of "balancing" seems completely hilarious.
 
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SilverHood

Guest
like mercs and Bm's need love....

they solo my ass even when uber buffed....

can atleast beat some zerkers

:(
 
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Derric

Guest
Funny to see how every zerker is a poor ubergimped sissy without even seeing how much they decrease the damage.
I thought I'd seen all the drama a realm could muster after the Hibs performance after the relic raid (You ruined RvR!You killed Hibernia! etc rofl),but I guess I was wrong. :p


btw
klav rocks
 
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SilverHood

Guest
still, cleric smite nerf > LA nerf I think

atleast cleric nerf was good for the realm, unlike this one...
 
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Groborthir

Guest
Originally posted by Derric
Funny to see how every zerker is a poor ubergimped sissy without even seeing how much they decrease the damage.
I thought I'd seen all the drama a realm could muster after the Hibs performance after the relic raid (You ruined RvR!You killed Hibernia! etc rofl),but I guess I was wrong. :p
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I r teh ubergimped sissy!

But I still managed to own your sweet arse eventhough I was carrying several ram parts and heavily encumbered in Odin's, Derric! I think it was the best day of my life! :) (seriously, it was!)

http://www.sonetten.dk/bedler/daoc/don't_kill_encumbered_trolls.jpg

(And pay very good attention to the so called 'insane, mofo sick LA needs BIG nerf or I cry more' damage, huhu) :kiss2:
 
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Derric

Guest
You were encumbered and weak! ofc you didn't hit uberhard there! :p

(Don't be proud over owning me,anyone who can't do that should stop playing this game or roll a stronger buffbot) :)
 
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Derric

Guest
Nah,but everyone screams high about how horrible this is and noone have actually played with it yet,that's my point.
 
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Blue Ix

Guest
It was kind of called for, hard for us mids to see why but if you've ever played in either hibernia and albion and done some rvr you must have known this was coming.

Anyway, now that they've taken about the only edge us mids have/had in any fg vs fg fights we'll have to see what they are going to give us. The change to bolts (50% af and 50% resistances) might get Runemasters uber with the cold debuff and baseline dds to go with it while the bolts are recycling. Sure fire wizards will be back in business but not to the same extent, void eldritches, ever heard of one such? Me neither.

Lets wait till 1.62 goes live before we decide to cancel our accounts. ;f~
 
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osrim

Guest
Bye Bye LA

Mythic did it again...

30-40% actual damage decrease from logs ppl showing from pendragon compared to live servers.

Axe style lines do about same as LA...

What they should have done decrease LA 10-15%, upgrade CD/DW damage 15%, check DW/CD styles and drop BM merc timers to 7 min, cap resistances 50%. IMO

Maybe its time to give a shot for 50 parry and 50 axe or similar 2H zerker then cause parry and block is getting fixed too at rvr.

2nd heavily nerfed char I made, one was bought...hrrrr
 
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old.mattshanes

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Re: Bye Bye LA

Originally posted by osrim
Mythic did it again...

30-40% actual damage decrease from logs ppl showing from pendragon compared to live servers.

Axe style lines do about same as LA...

What they should have done decrease LA 10-15%, upgrade CD/DW damage 15%, check DW/CD styles and drop BM merc timers to 7 min, cap resistances 50%. IMO

Maybe its time to give a shot for 50 parry and 50 axe or similar 2H zerker then cause parry and block is getting fixed too at rvr.

2nd heavily nerfed char I made, one was bought...hrrrr
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Yep the merc and bm things they have decided to add are a joke,the zerker nerf is pretty bad.... a zerker on pendragon 90 quick and 4.2 spd had 405 cap with snowsquall i use a 99 bastard sword and 4.1 spd i have 411 cap(with 132 quick aswell),pretty bad nerf they gone a bit too far they should of only did 10-15% like you said and give merc/bms a boost.

Though with decent ra's a merc and bm can hit very good damage overall just no one sees this they look at 1 hit or 2 and see damage not seeing how quick the targets they attack hp can fall.....

In my view the best thing for a merc and bm that would of made most happy would be just give cd/dw both weaps hitting all the time i am sure just that change would made them happier a bit.

Oh well feel sorry for zerkers that have played for a while but mercs/bms have too and they have put up with being told they are gimps for a year now even though they can be better than most tank classes although they are both unfinished classes.
 
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old.Emma

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the problem now is. midgard as of 1.62 (if the nurf goes live) will have no high dmg melee class at all. compaired to the polearm alb or the celtic spear hib.

the dmg reduction on doublefrost was 43%. provoke actually does similar dmg now at 1/4th of the end cost.

if that goes live then 50 hammer 50 parry sounds very tempting

infact how about

44 axe, 44 hammer, 44 parry :D

2 dmg types and high defense
 
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midmaster

Guest
Well, at least Zerkers has the hammer option. What about us poor sods that are not SZ and already are doing LAME LA damage? CB? Oh, no wait, already fatso nerfed that.

Ahhhh respecc to thrust? Oh crap...we can only use slash.
Why are they not nerfing Dragonfang? Easy the best style in this sick game.

Grats albs and hibs. Your political skills are so much better then ours, and clearly better than your RvR skills. (hehe)
You are winning thw whine-war with ease since you clearly got Mythics eyes and ears where you want them.

Remove SoS and BoF and this nerf would be so much more balancing. I hit for a staggering 30!! with my mainhand on a cleric with BoF. Nerf that? Yes pls, let me be your RP cow.
 
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svartalf

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Originally posted by Derric
Funny to see how every zerker is a poor ubergimped sissy without even seeing how much they decrease the damage.
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Originally here;
http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=49051339&page=1

Here is a log from an SB on my server from pendragon:

[13:31:31] @@You say, "LOG ON"
[13:31:41] @@You say, "50th level shadowblade, rr6L7"
[13:31:50] @@You say, "39 LA + 13"
[13:31:55] @@You say, "35 axe + 16"
[13:32:30] @@You say, "157 str 142 con 212 dex 190 quick 874 WEAPON SKILL 1633 WEAPON DAMAGE"
[13:32:53] @@You say, "duelists reflexes 1 Master of pain 3"
[13:33:11] @@You say, "dueling a shaman, 50th level, in epic unbuffed, 29% slash af 633 "
[13:33:18] @@You say, "doublefrost"
[13:33:22] You enter combat mode and target [Laiokin]
[13:33:22] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:22] Laiokin blocks your attack!
[13:33:22] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 45 (-29) damage!
[13:33:23] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:25] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+50)
[13:33:25] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 73 (-47) damage!
[13:33:25] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 37 (-24) damage!
[13:33:26] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:28] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+59)
[13:33:28] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 86 (-55) damage!
[13:33:28] You miss!
[13:33:29] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:30] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+51)
[13:33:30] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 74 (-47) damage!
[13:33:30] You miss!
[13:33:31] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:33] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+51)
[13:33:33] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 74 (-47) damage!
[13:33:33] You miss!
[13:33:34] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:36] You miss!
[13:33:36] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 46 (-29) damage!
[13:33:37] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:39] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+45)
[13:33:39] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 65 (-42) damage!
[13:33:39] You critical hit for an additional 22 damage!
[13:33:39] You miss!
[13:33:40] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:42] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+56)
[13:33:42] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 81 (-52) damage!
[13:33:42] Laiokin blocks your attack!
[13:33:43] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:46] You miss!
[13:33:46] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 38 (-24) damage!
[13:33:46] You critical hit for an additional 5 damage!
[13:33:46] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:48] You miss!
[13:33:48] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 48 (-31) damage!
[13:33:49] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:51] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+52)
[13:33:51] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 75 (-48) damage!
[13:33:51] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 48 (-30) damage!
[13:33:52] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:33:54] You miss!
[13:33:54] You miss!
[13:34:23] @@You say, "Doublefrost on a shaman with 633 AF unbuffed"
[13:34:26] You target [Laiokin]
[13:34:26] You examine Laiokin. He is a member of the Shaman class in your realm.
[13:34:26] You auto-stick Laiokin.
[13:34:31] @@You say, "snowsquall"
[13:34:33] You enter combat mode and target [Laiokin]
[13:34:33] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:34:33] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+65)
[13:34:33] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 88 (-56) damage!
[13:34:33] You miss!
[13:34:35] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:34:36] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+57)
[13:34:36] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 78 (-50) damage!
[13:34:36] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 38 (-24) damage!
[13:34:37] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:34:39] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+60)
[13:34:39] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 81 (-52) damage!
[13:34:39] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 38 (-24) damage!
[13:34:39] You critical hit for an additional 12 damage!
[13:34:40] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:34:45] @@You say, "heal urself =P"
[13:34:51] Laiokin casts a spell!
[13:34:54] Laiokin casts a spell!
[13:34:58] Laiokin casts a spell!
[13:35:01] Laiokin casts a spell!
[13:35:01] You enter combat mode and target [Laiokin]
[13:35:02] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:35:02] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+53)
[13:35:02] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 72 (-46) damage!
[13:35:02] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 58 (-37) damage!
[13:35:03] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:35:05] You miss!
[13:35:05] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 40 (-25) damage!
[13:35:06] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:35:08] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+66)
[13:35:08] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 89 (-57) damage!
[13:35:08] You miss!
[13:35:09] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:35:11] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+53)
[13:35:11] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 71 (-46) damage!
[13:35:11] You critical hit for an additional 14 damage!
[13:35:11] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 49 (-31) damage!
[13:35:12] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:35:14] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+66)
[13:35:14] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 89 (-57) damage!
[13:35:14] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 45 (-29) damage!
[13:35:15] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:35:16] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+54)
[13:35:16] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 73 (-47) damage!
[13:35:16] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 44 (-28) damage!
[EDIT] : Post shortened for BW.
[13:36:18] @@You say, "USING 2 CLEAVERS 99 QUAL 16.5 DPS 4.0 SPD"
[13:36:22] Laiokin casts a spell!
[13:36:26] Laiokin casts a spell!
[13:36:29] You enter combat mode and target [Laiokin]
[13:36:29] You prepare to perform a Snowblind!
[13:36:29] You perform your Snowblind perfectly. (+32)
[13:36:29] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 56 (-36) damage!
[13:36:29] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 43 (-27) damage!
[13:36:30] You prepare to perform a Snowblind!
[13:36:32] You miss!
[13:36:32] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 57 (-37) damage!
[13:36:33] You prepare to perform a Snowblind!
[13:36:35] You perform your Snowblind perfectly. (+38)
[13:36:35] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 66 (-42) damage!
[13:36:35] Laiokin resists the effect!
[13:36:35] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 55 (-35) damage!
[13:36:35] You critical hit for an additional 13 damage!
[13:36:36] You prepare to perform a Snowblind!
[13:36:38] You perform your Snowblind perfectly. (+40)
[13:36:38] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 71 (-45) damage!
[13:36:38] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 46 (-30) damage!
[13:36:39] You prepare to perform a Snowblind!
[13:36:41] You perform your Snowblind perfectly. (+44)
[13:36:41] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 76 (-49) damage!
[13:36:41] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 42 (-27) damage!
[13:36:53] Laiokin casts a spell!
[13:36:57] Laiokin casts a spell!
[13:36:58] You sheathe the cleaver from your left hand.
[13:36:58] Your Quickness has decreased.
[13:36:58] Your Left Axe skill has decreased.
[13:36:58] Your Body resistance has decreased.
[13:36:58] Your Energy resistance has decreased.
[13:36:58] You wield the weighted bearded axe in your left hand.
[13:37:01] Laiokin casts a spell!
[13:37:03] You sheathe the weighted bearded axe from your left hand.
[13:37:03] You wield the weighted bearded axe in your left hand.
[EDIT]
[13:37:41] @@You say, "NOW USING 99 QUAL CLEAVER 16.5 DPS 4.0 SPD AND HAND AXE 100 QUAL 16.5 DPS 2.9 SPD"
[13:37:50] You enter combat mode but have no target!
[13:37:50] You must have a target for your next attack style!
[13:37:53] You target [Laiokin]
[13:37:53] You examine Laiokin. He is a member of the Shaman class in your realm.
[13:37:54] You enter combat mode and target [Laiokin]
[13:37:54] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:37:54] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+44)
[13:37:54] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 64 (-41) damage!
[13:37:54] You critical hit for an additional 10 damage!
[13:37:54] You miss!
[13:37:55] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:37:57] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+54)
[13:37:57] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 77 (-49) damage!
[13:37:57] You critical hit for an additional 23 damage!
[13:37:57] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 35 (-22) damage!
[13:37:57] Laiokin is surrounded by constricting bonds!
[13:37:58] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:38:00] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+57)
[13:38:00] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 82 (-53) damage!
[13:38:00] You miss!
[13:38:01] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:38:02] You miss!
[13:38:02] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 32 (-20) damage!
[13:38:03] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:38:05] Laiokin blocks your attack!
[13:38:05] You attack Laiokin with your axe and hit for 27 (-17) damage!
[13:38:06] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[13:38:07] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+58)
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.. it goes on, but you get the point.
 
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j000 d000d

Guest
500-600 dmg each hit on doublefrost was just too much.
 
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zapzap

Guest
Better of only swining main hand if not ablatives just gonna keep procing LOL
 
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Lanfaer

Guest
this can't be accurate, please say it isn't so ?

70+30 is what you hit for unstyled atm .. so when this goes live we'll be hitting for unstyled damage when using the most powerful anytimer we've got ? ... YAY! :clap:
 
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Makwaerk

Guest
but we got a respec \o/ so much to repec to !

anyone got a suggestion to a decent char that will not get nerfed beon all hope (has to be mid ... I know this makes it alot harder)
 
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Shike

Guest
I dunno, but I think it justified to nerf Zerkers a little bit, judging from tests on pendra, they seem to have overdone it quite much, hopefully it will be toned down, otherwise LA+Zerk will be a total joke. Hmm, as a matter of fact, savage are way better than a zerk as it seems now so mid still have a v good damagedealer in melee, which additionally have among the best defense I ever have seen on any class. 50%+ meleeresists is no joke combined with evadebuffs and advanced evade. Its just a shame that a new SIclass walses in a steals the position as the best light tank from Zerkers.
Or will savage be nerfed aswell? People are already screaming for nerfs in US, and we all know what eventually will happen then :rolleyes:

For those that claim that only trolls with 35qui and quidebuffed can hit hard as a zerker:

http://hem.bredband.net/b131893/Maeloch.jpg

Dorf with 150qui at that time, 99% weps, not SCed or twinked in any way. With 50qui I estimate the hit would have been for about 100-150 more on mainhand+higher crit. 50caster with good resist got whacked for 915 from my mainhand. Thats..... a lot with 150qui tbh, I was surprised aswell when i scrolled up and checked, so I can understand why people wanna see it nerfed, and I can understand why Mythic nerfs it aswell, especially now with the changes to the buffsystem that allows Zerker to hit even harder and miss more seldom. I have done more really nice hits like that one on Maeloch so it aint just a coincidence.

Look at it from the positive side, at least people cant justify ooberRAs for the other realms with saying, shaddup, u have zerkers anymore and perhaps mid will get some goodie in 1.63, which imo, mid really really need.

just my 3 cobbers
 
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decline

Guest
I have an old level 32 zerker I copied to pend.

Dueled a thrust merc (I'm resistant to damage) level 30 and lost 5 times in a row.

Balance is a bitch.
 
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