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Danamyr
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I rolled a zerker tonight and got him to Lvl 5. I was advised to keep Left Axe at level, then split remainder between Axe/Parry. Is this a decent spec?
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Archeon
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Ok, this is just what i heard so don't hold me too it.
Laxe gives the styles,
Axe gives the dmg varience
and parry... well its parry (0.5% per lvl i think, so at lvl 50 you've got a 25% chance of parrying a blow before RA's)
i think most zerkas due to not having much to do with their spec points go somthing like
Laxe - 50
Axe - 44
Parry - whatevers left
or somthing similar to that, it might be an idea to go Hammer/Laxe to get two different types of dmg, with SC its supposed to be quite a good option.
I dunno, it would probably be better to get a genuine zerkas opinion on this, not just a healer who's recycling what he's remembered about various things
Laxe gives the styles,
Axe gives the dmg varience
and parry... well its parry (0.5% per lvl i think, so at lvl 50 you've got a 25% chance of parrying a blow before RA's)
i think most zerkas due to not having much to do with their spec points go somthing like
Laxe - 50
Axe - 44
Parry - whatevers left
or somthing similar to that, it might be an idea to go Hammer/Laxe to get two different types of dmg, with SC its supposed to be quite a good option.
I dunno, it would probably be better to get a genuine zerkas opinion on this, not just a healer who's recycling what he's remembered about various things
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old.anubis
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zerk has only one spec for rvr, 50/50/28
your role is to DO dmg not to TAKE it
your role is to DO dmg not to TAKE it
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AbPoon
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Well i went 44 44 44 myself and i'm v happy with it, my parrys extream and works well in rvr unlike what alot of people say.
The lvl 50 l axe style is totally usless and from my testing of dmg caps 6 left axe works out at about 25 more dmg on your cap.
How it works is Axe is where your weapon skill comes from and also determines your base damage, L axe determines your style damage, so really seeing as your skills can be raised quite easy by spellcraft i'd recommend 50 axe 44 or 47 L axe rest parry or 44 44 44.
Everyones got their own opinion on which spec's best but aslong as you have the lvl 44 L axe style and your axe skill is similer you cant really gimp yourself.
One thing i will say though is listen to the people who have got zerkers and not people who have just read about it off a web page, things tend to work abit dofferent to how they look on paper.
The lvl 50 l axe style is totally usless and from my testing of dmg caps 6 left axe works out at about 25 more dmg on your cap.
How it works is Axe is where your weapon skill comes from and also determines your base damage, L axe determines your style damage, so really seeing as your skills can be raised quite easy by spellcraft i'd recommend 50 axe 44 or 47 L axe rest parry or 44 44 44.
Everyones got their own opinion on which spec's best but aslong as you have the lvl 44 L axe style and your axe skill is similer you cant really gimp yourself.
One thing i will say though is listen to the people who have got zerkers and not people who have just read about it off a web page, things tend to work abit dofferent to how they look on paper.
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Subbiz
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you must never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever go below 50 mainhand(axe/hammer/Sword) on zerker. its uber gimped and only n00bs would ever consider this (no offense to you whos asking for spec) rest can be 50 laxe 28 parry, or 44 laxe 37 parry.
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Conchabar
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unless the 50 style is worth it there is no point spending your points on it to 50 as you will hit the hard cap faster so if u have 50 in axe by rr3 u will have caped it i think
abpoon spec seems right
abpoon spec seems right
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froler-mid
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id go the balanced spec. 50parry, 28sword, 28LA, 28 axe, 28hammer
that way u can choose what weapon too fight with whenever u want.
like hammer vs plate, and sword too look cool etc
Good Luck with your zerker!
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Arnor
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no hard cap in skills mate
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AbPoon
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YE if you dont spec 50 mainhand and do something like 47 youll lose about 25 weapon skill and you'll be gimped forever so they say ^^
When respec's were bugged i tried all spec's i could think of and basicly the different is minimal, only thing i will say is dont go hammer
When respec's were bugged i tried all spec's i could think of and basicly the different is minimal, only thing i will say is dont go hammer
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Archeon
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Just to let you know Poon, my hammer has read your post you've really up-set her. I demand an immediate appology
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duact
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50 50 28 if u want defence make a warrior.
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old.casiraghi
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Every point in Mainhand raises your weaponskill with about 11, since weaponskill also affects your chance to hit, going less than 50 in mainhand is kinda stupid imho.
I wouldn't do anything but 50/50/28 - parry doesnt mean shit in big RvR fights anyway - at least it doesnt for me - U dont have the time to see if its u getting parried or opponent parrying u to get of styles from parry anyway. And you still parry with 28 - especially if buffed
I wouldn't do anything but 50/50/28 - parry doesnt mean shit in big RvR fights anyway - at least it doesnt for me - U dont have the time to see if its u getting parried or opponent parrying u to get of styles from parry anyway. And you still parry with 28 - especially if buffed
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marach
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I meet a zerk that had 50la 45 parry rest in axe wich is around 36axe i think.. i thought.. OMG WHAT THE FUCK IS HE DOING
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AbPoon
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Well normally i have to zerk to taunt off the healer then i end up coming out of zerk with 3 tanks on me, back step with 44+11 parry and trust me you live for a hell of a long time. keeping all the enemys groups tanks out of the fight does more then me hitting a caster a few times then getting ganked ^^
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Danamyr
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Thanks all for the advise...it has been taken on board
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Wot-do
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lo
My current spec is 50laxe/50axe and 28 parry, I think its the best rvr spec. If u wanna be good in "player vs monster" or duels, I would recommend u to go for a bit lower axe and more parry.
Parry got alot of penalties in rvr, so lets say it drops down to 1/3 of your actual % in 1on1. and sure yes u got dimishing return on dmg above 50 but still worth it, u could always go for master of parry 2 =) 6% parry = 12 points.
Neway u gotto decide what u wanna do =) I dont think the diffrens would be that big, the diffrens in rvr is more having a good grp than doing 50 more dmg. parry is lovely in pvm.
My current spec is 50laxe/50axe and 28 parry, I think its the best rvr spec. If u wanna be good in "player vs monster" or duels, I would recommend u to go for a bit lower axe and more parry.
Parry got alot of penalties in rvr, so lets say it drops down to 1/3 of your actual % in 1on1. and sure yes u got dimishing return on dmg above 50 but still worth it, u could always go for master of parry 2 =) 6% parry = 12 points.
Neway u gotto decide what u wanna do =) I dont think the diffrens would be that big, the diffrens in rvr is more having a good grp than doing 50 more dmg. parry is lovely in pvm.
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gunner440
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Re: Re: Zerker spec advise...
uber spec.. imho
Originally posted by froler-mid
id go the balanced spec. 50parry, 28sword, 28LA, 28 axe, 28hammer
that way u can choose what weapon too fight with whenever u want.
like hammer vs plate, and sword too look cool etc
Good Luck with your zerker!
uber spec.. imho
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I'm specced 50 la, 45 axe, 36 parry .. was 50 50 28 before, and i've liked the small extra defense. however a lot of changes have happened since i had the old spec (SC, also took some mastery of parry), thus making my experience useless,practically every zerker with MoParry and SCed gear does parry more than pre-1.50. common non-50/50/28 spec is 44 / 37, well dunno why i took 45 instead of 44 - all i wanted was to be a little more versatile but didnt want to lose much base weap spec.
some extra defense is nice for 1v1 (both rvr and pve). probably doesn't apply to parry, but i've understood a spec is more effective if its at least your lvl, and 36 base parry makes 52 total with bonuses. 8 less base spec would make me parry 4% less, ok not much but parry is very nice as you not only get hit less but after parry styles have defense bonus, which very often results in you parrying again (sometimes its funny, killing succubus or nightmare without it hitting you once)
LA i'd take to 50 for the last style and max styled damage (styled damage is where LA is superior). ppl saying the last style is useless, well maybe for the zerkers who spam doublefrost only imo its nice for 1v1 and even versus some mobs (knights in df for example), only when you're the one holding aggro though, otherwise its best to go behind and use snowsquall+icy
with 45 base axe i have buffed weap skill of 1680, 50 axe would probably take it in the 1750 range. i wish mythic provided more exact details of the game mechanics, no-one really seems to know for sure if there are any diminishing returns and so on. still, no doubt, weapskill IS king in melee fight (affects practically everything including how much your opponent parries etc). even when the difference is probably hardly noticeable, yes i feel kinda gimped because of having weap skill less than the maximum possible might even consider respeccing back in case i get my hands on a respec stone later hehe
if you aim for group rvr & maximum dmg only, 50/50/28 is definitely the way to go.
some extra defense is nice for 1v1 (both rvr and pve). probably doesn't apply to parry, but i've understood a spec is more effective if its at least your lvl, and 36 base parry makes 52 total with bonuses. 8 less base spec would make me parry 4% less, ok not much but parry is very nice as you not only get hit less but after parry styles have defense bonus, which very often results in you parrying again (sometimes its funny, killing succubus or nightmare without it hitting you once)
LA i'd take to 50 for the last style and max styled damage (styled damage is where LA is superior). ppl saying the last style is useless, well maybe for the zerkers who spam doublefrost only
imo its nice for 1v1 and even versus some mobs (knights in df for example), only when you're the one holding aggro though, otherwise its best to go behind and use snowsquall+icywith 45 base axe i have buffed weap skill of 1680, 50 axe would probably take it in the 1750 range. i wish mythic provided more exact details of the game mechanics, no-one really seems to know for sure if there are any diminishing returns and so on. still, no doubt, weapskill IS king in melee fight (affects practically everything including how much your opponent parries etc). even when the difference is probably hardly noticeable, yes i feel kinda gimped because of having weap skill less than the maximum possible
might even consider respeccing back in case i get my hands on a respec stone later heheif you aim for group rvr & maximum dmg only, 50/50/28 is definitely the way to go.
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old.casiraghi
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Wtih 50 axe, 11 from items + 5 from RR6 - and buffed over 300 Str - Weaponskill is 1733, at RR5 its 1722
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SotH-Byffa
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to join the rest of u... 50 hammer/sword/axe 50LA 28parry
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Subbiz
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you specced tripple 44 poon? muwhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!I guess froler-mid's suggestion works very well too then!! :hat:
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Subbiz
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I've heard some 'rumble' about weapskill, look below.
The bold is those thats for certain..
weap skill partly affects:
damage cap
damage output
chance to hit
chance to parry
opponents chance to parry you
opponents chance to evade you
opponents chance to block you
chance to penetrate pbt(does this ever happen?)
The bold is those thats for certain..
weap skill partly affects:
damage cap
damage output
chance to hit
chance to parry
opponents chance to parry you
opponents chance to evade you
opponents chance to block you
chance to penetrate pbt(does this ever happen?)
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i dont know anything about zerkers but.. is poon gimp?
Ive always known!! Dont call me gimp again poon mmkay
Ive always known!! Dont call me gimp again poon mmkay
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Chance to parry is not affected (that's affected by your opponent's weaponskill) - same as your chance to evade and block and your opponent's chance to miss.
You cannot penetrate PBT in RvR except with a from-stealth Critical Strike move (Backstab I and II, Perforate Artery).
Damage cap I'm not certain about.
All others are affected by your weapon skill.
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AbPoon
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Yes Sub i'm so gimped thats why i cant win duels, cant kill in rvr and cant hit for 1000+ unbuffed on tank armour.
Oh yeah i can cant i
Call me a gimp if you like mucker but tbh i expect most people who have grouped with me in rvr might disagree with you, 6 points less in a skill really wont gimp anyone and thats the truth sonny jim, i've always been 44 spec i respecced when respec's came out but the damage and hit diff you couldnt really notice.
Also dont i hold the dmg record for an unbuffed double frost hit post df nerf on tank armour? ^^
But then you've always jumped on the chance of slating people though havent you Sub King of Midgard xD
Oh yeah i can cant i
Call me a gimp if you like mucker but tbh i expect most people who have grouped with me in rvr might disagree with you, 6 points less in a skill really wont gimp anyone and thats the truth sonny jim, i've always been 44 spec i respecced when respec's came out but the damage and hit diff you couldnt really notice.
Also dont i hold the dmg record for an unbuffed double frost hit post df nerf on tank armour? ^^
But then you've always jumped on the chance of slating people though havent you Sub King of Midgard xD
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to bad parry is so gimped in rvr, and über in pvm
to bad parry is so gimped in rvr
, and über in pvm
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50axe,50Left axe,28 parry....
for rvr that is best defense for zerker is massive offensive.........
for rvr that is best defense for zerker is massive offensive.........
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Subbiz
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poon how can you know that you hold any records? lets get some numbers up then..
anyone can come brag that they hold a record yadda yadda..
and lets have a duel, and see how much ur awesome 44 parry skills will work heh :>
we all know how uber parry works pvp!
anyone can come brag that they hold a record yadda yadda..
and lets have a duel, and see how much ur awesome 44 parry skills will work heh :>
we all know how uber parry works pvp!
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domin8or
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I wouldn't call Poon a gimp, first time I dueled him he took me and my 50 warrior almost flawless without losing health
Call me a gimp but I've beaten most other zerkers in duels.
I've also grouped with Poon in RvR and I must say he's pretty good.
Call me a gimp but I've beaten most other zerkers in duels.
I've also grouped with Poon in RvR and I must say he's pretty good.
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AbPoon
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1136 dmg unbuffed on epic scale, 99% qual weps after df nerf but before spellcrafting and rr4 i think aint got no web space but i'll slap it up on my guild's webspace, you should easy have lots of pics of you hitting tanks for 1600 dmg as i'm totally gimped.
But then i couldnt of hit like that seeing as i've got 6 less axe then everyone else havent i and by rights according to you i never hit anyone ever in rvr either and one shotting casters and other classes would be impossible for me wouldnt it? ^^
Fact is m8 say what you like if i found it gimped i'd have respecced by now, i know how the spec plays and i wouldnt and wont change it, only thing i might think about is poss 50 axe 44 l axe rest parry as i've seen the diff 1 or 2 l axe makes and its hardly anything on your cap and the last left axe style is about as handy void spec for elds
Problem is in this game if you dont have the "cookie cutter" spec your gimped which is basicly bollocks, i dont see nothing wrong in trying summit different, 5 spec is gimped, 50 l axe 50 parry 28 axe is gimped, 44 aint, i dont see the big deal with dishing out the abuse just because i'm not the same spec as you.
Taking lessons off your old gm?
But then i couldnt of hit like that seeing as i've got 6 less axe then everyone else havent i and by rights according to you i never hit anyone ever in rvr either and one shotting casters and other classes would be impossible for me wouldnt it? ^^
Fact is m8 say what you like if i found it gimped i'd have respecced by now, i know how the spec plays and i wouldnt and wont change it, only thing i might think about is poss 50 axe 44 l axe rest parry as i've seen the diff 1 or 2 l axe makes and its hardly anything on your cap and the last left axe style is about as handy void spec for elds
Problem is in this game if you dont have the "cookie cutter" spec your gimped which is basicly bollocks, i dont see nothing wrong in trying summit different, 5 spec is gimped, 50 l axe 50 parry 28 axe is gimped, 44 aint, i dont see the big deal with dishing out the abuse just because i'm not the same spec as you.
Taking lessons off your old gm?