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[tris-]

i was watching GMTV this morning and some famous bitch ive never heard of had been visiting a place in africa. she was helping people with AIDS. she mentioned the US give help in the form of money but its on certain conditions. the people managing the funds are apparently strict Christians. they give the money to these certain parts of africa on the condition that they dont promote safe sex and condom use. apparently it goes against the money supplying peoples beliefs.

your thoughts ladies and gents?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I first heard about this on boston legal(which is very informative on how the US works).

At the end of the day, i guess i have to say, "Their money, their call."

If i wanted to give cash to a charity, i'd very well want to know what happened to the cash.

Now let's say 1% of the cash was to help...umm...christian churches, when i'm giving to a flood fund, i'd say "F*ck off."

 

[tris-]

but they are giving money to help people with AIDs and not telling the people without AIDs how to not get it in the first place. wtf is the point? they think its better to give money and not inform people because 'god' might be so happy.

heres something

science > when people fuck each other and bodily fluids pass, AIDs can be contracted. a condom is needed

religion > god doesnt want you to use a condom and would rather you all died painful deaths from contracting AIDs.

 

[Gamah]

religion > god doesnt want you to use a condom and would rather you all died painful deaths from contracting AIDs.

You don't die from AIDS.

 

[Mojo]

i was watching GMTV this morning and some famous bitch ive never heard of had been visiting a place in africa. she was helping people with AIDS. she mentioned the US give help in the form of money but its on certain conditions. the people managing the funds are apparently strict Christians. they give the money to these certain parts of africa on the condition that they dont promote safe sex and condom use. apparently it goes against the money supplying peoples beliefs.

your thoughts ladies and gents?

Yeah this is Old news.

Another "good deed" which will no doubt result in great loss of life, I think you all know how I feel so I am not getting into it.

 

[Wonk]

You don't die from AIDS.

 

[tris-]

lol. i know what i meant ffs, and you should of known too.

 

[old.Tohtori]

but they are giving money to help people with AIDs and not telling the people without AIDs how to not get it in the first place. wtf is the point? they think its better to give money and not inform people because 'god' might be so happy.

heres something

science > when people fuck each other and bodily fluids pass, AIDs can be contracted. a condom is needed

religion > god doesnt want you to use a condom and would rather you all died painful deaths from contracting AIDs.

It's easy to think that way if you think of it from that angle.

Try this:

Would you rather A: Not have USA help at all. B: Take cash with their terms.

As i see it, the USA isn't supposed to help with condoms or education, it's not their job to be a "mother" to africa, nor do they want to as it would violate their beliefs(which can be understood), but they are willing to help, if something does go tits up.

 

[Chronictank]

religion > god doesnt want you to use a condom and would rather you all died painful deaths from contracting AIDs.

god also said dont fuck around so the virus would have been contained if they were really following religion (assuming your basing this in christianity)

 

[old.Tohtori]

god also said dont fuck around so the virus would have been contained if they were really following religion (assuming your basing this in christianity)

But there's also the part about spreading your seed in there

 

[echome]

It's easy to think that way if you think of it from that angle.

Try this:

Would you rather A: Not have USA help at all. B: Take cash with their terms.

As i see it, the USA isn't supposed to help with condoms or education, it's not their job to be a "mother" to africa, nor do they want to as it would violate their beliefs(which can be understood), but they are willing to help, if something does go tits up.

Slave trade? No no lets just exploid the continent and let them rot away afterwards.

Hell yeah they got an obligation in helping them - as well as most of Europe does.

 

[tris-]

god also said dont fuck around so the virus would have been contained if they were really following religion (assuming your basing this in christianity)

im not talking about the people (or govt dept in america) giving the money only give it on the condition that the african government dont educate about contraception.

can no one see how fucking crazy this is? the government are basically black mailed into not educating people. surely its best to educate and over time they wont need to donate so much fucking money

 

[old.Tohtori]

im not talking about the people (or govt dept in america) giving the money only give it on the condition that the african government dont educate about contraception.

Actually that's not quite true.

They give the cash to the hospitals if the hospitals don't educate on the contraception.

The government of Africa can do what they want, just not in USA funded places.

 

[tris-]

im just going from what i heard off the tv. its still fucking stupid, why not educate and then they wont need to donate so much? and to let people suffer because of a religious beliefe is a load of shit imo. i thought christianity is about helping your neighbour etc? forgiving people and helping others regardless?

 

[Chronictank]

im just going from what i heard off the tv. its still fucking stupid, why not educate and then they wont need to donate so much? and to let people suffer because of a religious beliefe is a load of shit imo. i thought christianity is about helping your neighbour etc? forgiving people and helping others regardless?

I doubt education will make much difference but i dont get why they are cutting funding based on their faith :s, that goes against the whole concept of giving charity

 

[old.Tohtori]

im just going from what i heard off the tv. its still fucking stupid, why not educate and then they wont need to donate so much? and to let people suffer because of a religious beliefe is a load of shit imo. i thought christianity is about helping your neighbour etc? forgiving people and helping others regardless?

But they are. They're helping, without undermining or (missing a word) "making their own religion cr*p", but they shouldn't educate them, that's their own goverments job.

They just don't wish anti-US-religion stuff posted in a place which they fund.

Much like, giving help to nazi germany, IF there's no nazi flags or nazis around.

 

[Mojo]

I thought Christianity is about helping your neighbour etc? forgiving people and helping others regardless?

Your neighbour doesn't actually translate as next door neighbour

It actually means "Fellow Jew" or we could take as "Fellow believer in my God"

The rest of us don't actually come into it, we are all fucked....apparently.

 

[tris-]

But they are. They're helping, without undermining or (missing a word) "making their own religion cr*p", but they shouldn't educate them, that's their own goverments job.

They just don't wish anti-US-religion stuff posted in a place which they fund.

Much like, giving help to nazi germany, IF there's no nazi flags or nazis around.

WTF. im not talking about the US government educating people. this is what im saying, simply and in bullet points

• US govt supply money to certain african countries
• money is supplied to help people with AIDs
• the dept supplying the money is full of crazy ass extreme christians
• they wont give money if the authorities in africa teach about contraception
• i heard all this on tv from a lady who spent time in africa helping people with AIDs
• im not talking about the US govt educating anyone

i dont know if you just misunderstood, are talking about something else or what, but half of what your saying doesnt seem to have anything to do with anything.

 

[old.Tohtori]

WTF. im not talking about the US government educating people. this is what im saying, simply and in bullet points

Didn't you just say "its still fucking stupid, why not educate and then they wont need to donate so much?"?

My points:

- It's their money.
- It's better they help like this, then at all.
- The money is institution based, not government based. As in, if the hospital says they won't teach stuff or have non-christian stuff about, then they get cash.

 

[tris-]

im not saying they shouldnt give money at all. im saying how extremely fucking stupid it is that money givers would rather people were not educated just because it goes against their 'beliefs'. to put it simply, they are idiots.

 

[noblok]

Your neighbour doesn't actually translate as next door neighbour

It actually means "Fellow Jew" or we could take as "Fellow believer in my God"

The rest of us don't actually come into it, we are all fucked....apparently.

Nonsense. Ex 22, 21: "Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.", Dt 10, 19: "And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt." Lev 19, 33-34: "When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." etc, etc. The love for the alien is almost like a mantra in the old testament.

 

[tris-]

"have love for your AIDs stricken alien, but dont let people teach others how to avoid it in future"

 

[old.Tohtori]

im not saying they shouldnt give money at all. im saying how extremely fucking stupid it is that money givers would rather people were not educated just because it goes against their 'beliefs'. to put it simply, they are idiots.

But it's not like that.

They are not saying "Don't educate at all".

They are sayign, "Look, if you want this cash, we better not see this or that in this hospital right?"

The hospital can then either take the money and say yes, or find another funding.

There's no ban on African teaching, just a ban on non-belief things in the places the believers give cash.

If you think of it from a personal beliefs kinda way, it makes sense. It may not be right in your mindset towards it, but it will make sense.

 

[tris-]

no it makes no sense because it seems to go against the point of christianity.

 

[old.Tohtori]

no it makes no sense because it seems to go against the point of christianity.

Variants, that's the key, there's so many variants of it that it might seem like it.

They don't want the hospitals they fund teaching about condoms or such, because it's forbidden in their variance of Christianity.

 

[tris-]

then these so called christians have the morals of a rotten peach.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not really, you pay the bills, you set the rules, if you're not ok with the rules, then get help elsewhere.

It's rather a basic "father" thing to say. My house, my rules.

 

[Gamah]

Western countries have a moral duty to share the wealth regardless of how people administer the money to help.

Tohtori is approaching this from a individual point of view ("I wouldn't give", "you pay the bills") which is not the same as a rich nations approach.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Western countries have a moral duty to share the wealth regardless of how people administer the money to help.

Tohtori is approaching this from a individual point of view ("I wouldn't give", "you pay the bills") which is not the same as a rich nations approach.

But isn't that just another individual point of view?

 

[Gamah]

Well duh, forums are all about points of view, and my point of view is that your point of view is flawed.