Your opinion please.......

[Happlo]

Hi everyone, just wanna get your opinion on something that happened yesterday in CF, and see if this is the general view of most people when their chars reach lvl 45+ or not?

Me and some mates were in CF yesterday and everyone was inviting more and more people (as often happens) until we had 2 full groups plus a couple extra people at the 3 fins. The spread of lvl's was lowest at 41 and highest at 49, and what usualy happens is you would make 2 fair and evenly spread groups and just get to it, make some Exp and have some fun!! : D

Now i'm not gonna name any names (thats not my point here) but a couple of the higher lvl people decided that it would be cool if they got rid of the under lvl 45 members of the GROUP and form an uber group. We were then told that people under lvl 45 shouldnt be doing Fins anyway and that we should really go and do some pookas or something!!!!

Now this obviously upset afew people and there was a mild argument, but as we left what REALLY got us was that they asked for and got our bard and 1 of our druids (BOTH in their low 40's) to join them, instantly going against their "Nobody under lvl 45 should be doing Fins" rule!!!

I'm really sorry mateys for going on about this, but to be honest it really pissed afew of us off in a big way and made me think less of some people in that group that i at first thought were a good bunch. :mad :

I just really wanted to know everyone's opinion on this and if this is really how you's think it should be? Personaly i'm playing this game for fun 1st, exp 2nd, and it really got me down at the time yesterday.

Thanks to anyone that answers ;o)

Take care mateys

 

[old.willowywicca]

well hours in cf lead to bitterness, soul destruction, and all round general badness.. best thing is just to avoid cf altogether, go to bog of cullen, where everyone is nice and friendly and the xp flows like water! Oh and as for xxx lvl is too low blah blah.. there's always lower lvls allowed for support classes (healers/bards) than for others.. and I could never get a group in cf til I was 48, so you guys have it easy

 

[ShiShi]

rude behaviour imo
puting aside the viability question of the given group as for the fast & safe killing, none should invite anybody to a group, and then disband him for such a reason as you stated

this place must be indeed cursed :/


S.

 

[Happlo]

Hehehe,

I'm an NS mate

I suppose looking back on the whole thing, i was lucky to be there in the 1st place

And yeah, i agree with you on the Cullen thing, there's some nice drops and good exp.

I'd recommend a group of high 30 chars take a break from corus and go do savage bears in Alain Binn anyday. My guild did this and the exp was great!!!

 

[mellis]

Cursed Forest is boring, Bog of Cullen is boring , Sheeroe is boring , xping is boring. Although I have to say the CF fins are even more boring then work.... now that cant be good.
uhm about your topic.. lame bard and druid .
Sheeroe is nice for xp and for drops but tad hard to get and surivive with just one group. About the Bog, cant say much about that. Been at the banshees and guardians in the young 40s ( ye ye as bard you get to see all the cool places at low level ) and was really nice xp, the rest I have not really seen yet.
anyway if you really have to go to CF. Try out those annags and grabeyes, they are nice as well and not overcamped as Fins.
Back to killing fins... ehrrmm I mean work.

 

[mellis]

Got a bit offtopic there. My apologies

 

[Gad_Fene]

Hi Gilthanas.

I was a part of the group in the CF last night, and I was one of the higher levels who split off from the rest and went to get some xp independantly of the masses, and I don't mind if you name me. I will say here what I said then.

I am relatively new to fins groups. I didnt get into one at all untill I was level 46. Since then I have noticed that the trend has is to invite all who can get there, try to get 2 groups together and do 4 fin. The end result is that one group always gets more net xp than the other due to having a higher level nuker or whatever and the other group starts to moan about it. Discussions ensue and turn into arguments, flames, bad feeling and above all (IMHO) huge downtime.

The other thing that happens is we end up with very large group with a large variance of levels regulaurly pulling 4 Fins at a time, and regularly dieing(sp?).

The problem is the variance in levels. 7 people went to 4 fin once we had decided to go, and we were chain pulling 3 Fins for upwards of 130mil XP each. Under normal circumstances, 16 people (at least) would be pulling 4 fins, for between 40 and 100 mil xp each per pull, with MUCH greater downtime and a far greater risk of death. With the higher level players distributed throughout the groups that are there.

In effect what has been happening is that the higher level players are actively powerlevelling the lower level players, at a great loss of xp, and kill time. I have no real problem with this per se except when I am called a selfish git for not wanting to do so.

If a group of 7 can pull at the same spot usually camped by a group of 16 can pull, with less downtime and less risk of death, what would you do?

 

[Jonaldo]

Originally posted by Gad_Fene

In effect what has been happening is that the higher level players are actively powerlevelling the lower level players, at a great loss of xp, and kill time. I have no real problem with this per se except when I am called a selfish git for not wanting to do so.

If a group of 7 can pull at the same spot usually camped by a group of 16 can pull, with less downtime and less risk of death, what would you do?

Certainly not tell lower level people to go hunt elsewhere, all xp is good xp as long as it is going up and not down. Those who broke the groups up sound like the type of idiots that cause rifts within the realms.

This game has turned me into a bitter old man now it seems but those people who did this kinda suck and just don't deserve any respect, fins are for low 40 xp anyway, it's the higher 40's that should be xping elsewhere.

 

[abbhib]

agree

I totaly agree with Cornell and what he said.
I also agree becuz I am lazy to type and if I start doing so alot of ppl may not like it.


One thing I want to add.... Being selfish wont get u anywhere.
Your guild should be ashamed of u and for ppl who actualy disbaned for another group, nice one... keep being like that and u wont get anywhere.


Abb

 

[Gad_Fene]

It wasnt like that, from my point of view anyway.

When I logged on the group was already pulling where I popped. I was invited to the cg and a group, and sat down. And sat down. And sat down. An argument was in progress because of xp spread, and someone had suggested splitting into more equal level groups, and hunting different spots. This was obviously not well received.

10 minutes of downtime was a bit much, and I had been sent pm's to just bugger off and form a group regardless, but I didn't want to do anything so clandestine, so I said what I said above. I am not ashamed of it, and I don't think it was wrong. And I didn't presume to tell anyone where they should and should not hunt. For me, if I am going to spend 3 hours trying to level, I would rather do it in a decent equal level group, where we get as little downtime as possible and maximize our XP.

What I don't want is to listen to a lot of people argue for ages. I also play for the fun, and that is not fun to me. I have left groups with 2% to ding for that very reason.

I dont know anything about asking for a druid and a bard though.

 

[Cedig]

I really hate the Fins spots.

Hours of looking for groups, only to be told there was a waiting list, caused me to start up my own CF groups, and later bog groups.

I dont have time for those who take the game too seriously, and insist that xxx is too low for the group, and that events need to be 4x+ to attend. Its a game, we should all have fun. Regardless of levels, Fins are not fun, its just xp grind. Get Wardens, Bards etc in a group, and fins are the most boring mobs to farm.

There are better places for people to get xp, the Guardians etc in the bog are better, so are the umber hulks in DF.

 

[Happlo]

Hi Gad.......

I want to start by saying that I respect your view on grouping and that I have never reffered to you as being selfish for not wanting to power lvl, which is completley your choice.

The point of the thread was grouping fairness, and sorry mate, but yesterday showed very little of that!! And one of the people that was kicked out was actually one of the origional group leaders that started the whole thing off!!!

I understand that your exp per hour average would probably go up, but like Cornell said, as long as exp is coming in and we were all having fun there should be no problem

On a final note I would like to say that I grouped with Gad on several occasions through this last week or so, and this incident aside, he was a really nice bloke to me and a good player. And I wouldnt like him to be tagged as anything else. My main point was that when we left we felt abit down about the whole thing but its not important enough to have bad feelings over and I hope you feel the same Gad.

Stay well mateys (Woo, finished work!!! Off to play Daoc )

 

[Gad_Fene]

I can understand how you feel, and believe me, under normal circumstances I would have been happy to pull away no matter what the XP. As I said, it doesn't bother me so long as I am having fun, and helping people. The problem is that these sessions invariably turn into a big fight over who gets the best XP, pulling, not for the xp, the fun or the exitement, but so that you can compare numbers afterwards. That aint why I'm here!

I've spent hours in Connla spamming bubbles on lowbies, buying them hammers and leather armour then putting them on a horse when they get to level 5. I have made numerous full suits of enchanted armour and handed them out free to people just because they have been nice to the character my girlfriend plays. I'm a big softy really.

Thankyou for your kind words Gil. I appreciate it, and I will go so far as to agree that we could have been more politic. Send me ingame, and I'll take you to the pit, and level you.

 

[andrilyn]

Hmm I dont think if a level 40+ is in a group with a level 49 the level 40 gets powerleveled..
level 40 - 49 is not a huge differents in exp for the level 49, I know since I often grouped with level 40 people when I was level 49.

Dont think about you powerleveling that (in your eyes) "lowbie" but think about helping your realm, and yes Gad_Fene I call you selfish if you dont help someone who is only 5 or even less levels below you since at your level the exp wouldnt matter if someone is 5 levels lower.

And you can also look at your situation from a different view: you can have 1 group (you actually claim 1 group will have less downtime then 2 groups working together..) and gain lots of exp, or exp with 2 groups and get 16 people closer to level 50 instead of just 8.
I might add I really starting to hate people that play for exp, dont want so called "lowbies" in their group, want the perfect group with CC/Buffs/Heals/Damage so THEY can get their very presious exp.

 

[old.Patrick-S]

if u dont like the group dont join it.. dont join it take what members u want and leave the rest in a mess its extremely selfish and if the xp was that bad for u.. leave the group ALONE dont take others with you hope whoever did thats feeling as guilty as they should be its bit low tbh especially the bard and druid part oh well

 

[Gad_Fene]

Take 16 people spread evenly between levels 40 and 49.

The 8 highest go to a fin spot and chain pull 3 at a time, the fins are red and purple and everyone in the group is approaching their cap each pull

The 8 lowest go out to the lake in the Gorge and chain pull daughters of Medb. The Daughters are red and purple to them, and everyone in the group is approaching their cap each pull. (I spent most of my low 40's in Gur pulling Pooks or bears, in the Gorge pulling Daughters or in the forest pulling Leps, Grenchers or bears.)

And there was much rejoicing.

OR

All 16 pull 4 fins a time in the Forest. in between pulls, people are waiting for rez sickness because a 49 voidy has pulled aggro off a 41 hero, or one group is getting 8 mil xp per kill and the other 30 because they have a higher level nuker so they are complaining, or one group is getting all the drops because they have higher level tanks. People are halting the pulls because they want to fine tune the groups so the xp and drops are distributed evenly, one group has a lower level healer and no bard so they have no endurance when the next lot come and the healer cant keep up with the heals and needs to sit and rest to full mana before we can pull again.

And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth

 

[Jonaldo]

Originally posted by Gad_Fene
All 16 pull 4 fins a time in the Forest. in between pulls, people are waiting for rez sickness because a 49 voidy has pulled aggro off a 41 hero, or one group is getting 8 mil xp per kill and the other 30 because they have a higher level nuker so they are complaining, or one group is getting all the drops because they have higher level tanks. People are halting the pulls because they want to fine tune the groups so the xp and drops are distributed evenly, one group has a lower level healer and no bard so they have no endurance when the next lot come and the healer cant keep up with the heals and needs to sit and rest to full mana before we can pull again.

And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth

Not that I would know because obviously I never xp'd at all and was magically created at level 50, but.... crap, crap and more crap, yes, you're talking crap.

If you've got 16 people, why are you waiting for a level 41 hero's rez sick to go? surely more than 3 tanks in 2 groups? also having no bard in a lower group doesn't matter because the higher level tanks will be holding agro, high level nuker pulling agro off of a lower tank... you'd think that a higher level player wouldn't be so stupid to use the highest agro getting spells, get more sensible nukers I say.

One last point about the spread of xp, one time me and Usp (at level 50) were in a group of lots of <level 10 players killing pookas at innis carthaig. My xp was pretty good, and the xp was apparently very good for the lower levels... I think people should stop complaining about level spread in xp groups.

 

[Gad_Fene]

That is how it goes I'm afraid Cornell. I've seen it first hand

The xp spread disputes are not normally between members of the same group, but between the groups themselves.

I dont mind about the level spread in a group, I have and will continue to group with anyone who will have me. I have stayed in groups with lower level players when better groups have pleaded with me to join them. What I don't like is the argument and debate, and bad feeling that is generated, like last night, the night before etc. I am only trying to voice my opinions about the cause. That's all I have ever done.

I'll shut up now.

 

[Happlo]

Hi all, didnt mean to cause an argument mates, was just really abit put out before and i recon that we all know what the general view about grouping in and out of CF is now so we may aswell tie this one up

I would still send Gad a tell to group if he was looking because (like i said before) he's a good bloke and a good player.

Thanks again everyone and take care

 

[j000 d000d]

I was in the group.

Constant deaths every pull etc. jsut because there's 2 groups, it doesnt work, taunt dont work if youre in a different groups and casters/healers kept dying. Was best thing to split up, because the exp was crap and there were a lot of deaths.

We didn't leave because "jOOr tOO lOw fer FiNs", but because noone was gaining exp with the way things were going, and at least half of the people got some good exp after we left.

You'll know how slow exp is when you hit lvl 48, and you won't care about exp anymore or how you exped, at 50.

 

[old.Patrick-S]

but others might teador and i wouldnt join a group just to split it up and steal members so that some people can gain some xp while the others just lose time.. oh well

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

It's the xp whoring that ruins the game... play it for the fun of it. Play it for the sake of meeting your friends...
But if I can't stand one thing, it's getting into arguments with real people about some crappy subject (loot/xp).

The same people who turn others down from xp groups because the xp is 'bad' are the same ones who come here to whine that there is nothing to do a week after they hit 50.
Good riddance.

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

so you wont PL me alt?
/em runs crying to his lair

 

[old.Patrick-S]

yep this games taken wayyyy too seriously but when u spend alot of time doing summin u get very caught up with it... <shrugs> but as u said the people are real.. and there actions and behaviour is also real even if the consequences arent

 

[SilverHood]

sounds like our malmohus lair

G1 and G2, G1 has main CC person, PBT, and a healer of some sort, 2 tanks minimum, rest of spaces are filled up.

G2 is whatever else is there.

1. This means better xp for the high lvls (they run the show)
2. Controlled aggro.... G2 members hardly ever get aggro, so they don't die, ie: no downtime due to deaths
3. smoother pulling, since G1 is king, you pull when G1 is ready, and don't wait for G2
4. Its not about xp per mob, or xp per pull. Its how much you get at a certain time. I'd rather get 100 mill per pull every 30 seconds than 200 mill every 2 minutes

Well, I'm a mid.... guess we're not the brightest guys in the world

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
so you wont PL me alt?
/em runs crying to his lair

I "powerlevel" people exactly to l5 (armsbuff) but that's it. Developing and learning how to play a certain char is great fun. Feel like throwing a fit everytime I meet a "I want to be like Usp, Zedorf etc." wannabe manabomb who gets the whole group killed because "xp will be uber"...

But hey- I twink people after all
If you have a spear hero, give me a shout... got some stuff for you then.

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

You still havent told me your name

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Look for Sidheach, the druid.
That's my new "lets play with good, old old.pebr" toon.

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Soo, when I can expect to meet this druid.
And will you do teh woleplay™ for me?

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

You can expect me now... and he is my semi-rp alt (/s, /gu), so it depends