Yet more tax

[xane]

Originally posted by Scouse
Now - why the FUCK should I do that when I worked to get where I am and she hasn't because she likes to work with animals?

I don't particularly like my job - so I expect to be able to reap the rewards of my work.

I agree, I think people who work hard should reap the rewards, but the fact is that even with a bigger tax debt, you still have more to spend at the end.

My point is that eventually you reach a point where extra money is just the little sparkly balls on the icing on the cake, which should be taxed more than money needed for food (the sugary bit in the middle).

Originally posted by ~YuckFou~


ALL tax is income tax.
You pay tax with your income, regardless of what the tax is called, it is income tax.
Blair said he would leave income tax alone, he has in name only. We have had over 30 NEW taxes since he got in, he's inventing the fuckers! All so he can say "I didn't increase Income Tax"..it's all bollocks that the general population fell for, and continue to fall for.
My favouite is tax on fags, its there to subsidise the care of the people who get smoking related disease, apparently. One third of the adult population smoke, lets say they smoke only 10 per day, thats approx 5 million packs sold per day, at lets say £4, so £20,000,000 PER DAY from smokers.
Just in case anybody didn't get that
£20,000,000 PER FUCKING DAY!!

£7,300,000,000 Per Annum

If all smokers stopped tomorrow the country would collapse shortly afterwards.

I've had a shit day btw

Income Tax is specifically direct tax on income. National Insurance is, arguably, another form of income tax as it relates directly to how much you earn (income), the exception is that NI is normally capped at around 30k, but in this recent rise he has applied the 1% to the entire earnings.

Newspapers are always complaining about "stealth tax", but giving an example of "plastic bag tax" being one of them is ridiculous.

I wouldn't agree with your estimate of 30% adults smoking, nevertheless, I'd say your figure should be closer to £10m/day, but then compare that to Road Tax, £100/year for 30m vehicles - thats around £8m/day there, so maybe Fag Tax isn't really that excessive, especially considering vehicles are taxed again from the petrol.

There are quite a lot of things that are not taxed in this country, for example Children's Clothes and basic Foods, despite the EU insisting we tax them to harmonise tax across yerp.

Another non-taxable item is newspapers, from which we get all this bollocks, once again I remind you these are products of companies that failed to meet the regilatory minimums for corporation tax by a large margin.

 

[Scouse]

My point is that eventually you reach a point where extra money is just the little sparkly balls on the icing on the cake, which should be taxed more than money needed for food (the sugary bit in the middle).

Cam - I can see your point again. But 2 points:

1) How much do you have to earn before your take-home becomes just sparkly balls on the icing on the cake? I'd wager a lot more than 50 or 60 grand (in fact - I KNOW it's a lot more than that).

2) Even if it is then SO THE FUCK WHAT! They EARNED it. They should KEEP it.

If you're in a shit job on a shit wage 99 times out of 100 there is something you can do about it.

Learn new skills, change your job, BETTER yourself.

But the fact of the matter is, people like the comfort of a familiar job that they know how to do. It's a RISK and it's not easy to learn new skills and strike out into the unknown. People are afraid.

FUCK THEM. They don't deserve better. Stop asking the better off to subsidise them.

 

[Scouse]

Income Tax is specifically direct tax on income. National Insurance is, arguably, another form of income tax as it relates directly to how much you earn (income), the exception is that NI is normally capped at around 30k, but in this recent rise he has applied the 1% to the entire earnings.

So. Lets have a look at that 1%.

Income tax - you pay a % of each pound you earn.

The new NI 1% tax - you pay a % of each pound you earn.



I'd argue that was a cynical INCOME TAX rise.


And frankly - YuckFou is right - stealth taxes and NI rises do amount to more money off your income.

The election manifesto does point out that they promised not to raise Income Tax. If you watched Tony and his cronies pre-election they gave the very distinct impression that they wouldn't be raising taxes AT ALL.

That was enough to fool most of the populace - but anyone with half a brain cell knew that they'd point at their manifesto after massive stealth and NI rises.

Labour suck cock.

 

[old.[TBUK]Boris]

I have one simple thing to say.
All moan when the NHS and schools are decrepid and want something done.
Raise taxes and its boooo.
In this world you cant just wave a magic wand you need money.
How do you propose the gov't raises the necessary funds?
Labour imo has been a damn sight better for this country than the tories and its only now that theyd had a decent amount of time in parliament to find their way, being in gov't damn sight harder than being in opposition.
Considering the state that they inherited the country in I think theyve done a good job overall.
Think its obvious what political party I support lol

 

[Scouse]

Pretty obvious m8. Blind devotion does wonders for this country.

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by [TBUK]Boris
I have one simple thing to say.
All moan when the NHS and schools are decrepid and want something done.
Raise taxes and its boooo.
In this world you cant just wave a magic wand you need money.
How do you propose the gov't raises the necessary funds?
Labour imo has been a damn sight better for this country than the tories and its only now that theyd had a decent amount of time in parliament to find their way, being in gov't damn sight harder than being in opposition.
Considering the state that they inherited the country in I think theyve done a good job overall.
Think its obvious what political party I support lol

Um. I'm generally a floating voter type but you're just talking bolox there. Compared to the state of the country when the Tories took over from Callaghan Labour inherited a goldmine. Especially since we dropped out of the ERM and by 97 the country was ready to reap the rewards.

As for money for public services I'm pretty sure education needs more money but I think the NHS is a pit of wastage. It's phenomenally inefficient and for the most part it doesn't care. People treat public money much like they treat insurance money. "Oh, your insurance company is paying your car repair bill is it ? In that case I think I forgot to add a zero or two onto the end of the bill."

If you want a decent health service I'd suggest copying any number of other countries that actually HAVE a decent health service. Their system sbviously works. Ours obviously doesn't. Pissing billions more into a the NHS won't help. Sure we'd end up paying more like the French, Germans and Americans do but if I'm guarenteed to get an operation in a week like they do then that's fine.