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Stazbumpa

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My views on President Blair are such that this does not surprise me at all. The thing that gets me though is that most of Britain will vote for him again, so the public will get what they bloody deserve.

This is why my plan to fuck off to Australia will hopefully come to fruition by the end of the year.
 
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caLLous

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I was planning that also, but I heard you need to have £20,000 available to you to even be considered by the immigration authorities over there. :(
 
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Wazzerphuk

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Originally posted by caLLous
I was planning that also, but I heard you need to have £20,000 available to you to even be considered by the immigration authorities over there. :(
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Keeps the rest of the country going, helps gives benefits to all the crims (that's them all, btw). :D
 
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PR.

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When Trem slices and tices his toe with the dremell we can all be rest assured that he is being cared for by the NHS and his stupidity is costing you ;)
 
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xane

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Firstly, to be fair, Labour promised no income tax rises, and the latest NI rise is probably the closest they've come to breaking that promise, but a tax on plastic bags ?

When it comes down to tax, the real issue is why all these mega-corporations are living it up on minimal taxes (sometimes as low as 1%) whilst we plebs have to pay full rate ? Labour's initial promise on their first election was to close the loopholes in the tax system to stop these companies getting away with it, so far they have done some things but have been largely unsuccessful.

The media, who report this "bad news" are run by companies who are some of the worst offenders, most newpapers are run by foreigners to pay little to no tax whatsoever, both as individuals and as a company, whenever they complain about "stealth tax" it makes me recall "pot, kettle, black".

And the Queen Mum, gawd bless her and may she rest in peace, managed to hand down a multi-million pound fortune, none of which is taxed either. Isn't it about time some of the royals started paying up a bit ?

Rather than complain about how the government tax ordinary joes, point out the fat cats who manage to get themselves domiciled in a tax haven and exempt, yet at the same time somehow get on political bodys to run the country. Rule One should be - if you don't pay tax, you don't make decisions.
 
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Daffeh

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there will always be loopholes for the 'fat cats' to avoid paying taxes

be it paying the Govt., i mean er donating, or just plain cheating and lying

the rich get richer, poor get poorer, tis the way of the world :(
 
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(Shovel)

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Aye, I wont mind paying taxes as long as it's fair. Having rich people dodge out of it isn't fair at all.

One tax I would have liked them to introduce was the "New out of town shopping spaces" tax, designed to stop so many fucking superstores killing off local shops. Should have been done but Tesco lobbyists 'persuaded' the gov. the other way.
 
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Daffeh

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Originally posted by Shovel
Aye, I wont mind paying taxes as long as it's fair. Having rich people dodge out of it isn't fair at all.

One tax I would have liked them to introduce was the "New out of town shopping spaces" tax, designed to stop so many fucking superstores killing off local shops. Should have been done but Tesco lobbyists 'persuaded' the gov. the other way.
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no doubt persuaded by £££ from Mr Tesco and his friends
 
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Wij

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Loopholes that allow certain Corporations and individuals to avoid paying tax should generally be closed. Agreed. Don't confuse this however with increasting the general taxation on business. Big business makes jobs. Jobs are good. If they pay too much tax by setting u[ business here they'll do it elsewhere and pay tax there where it's lower. With all the red tape these days it's hard for companies over to make a (semi)honest buck as it is. Give them a little slack. Business creates jobs. Trotskyite union leaders never created any jobs.

Loved the head of that rail union with his banner saying "Smash the Capitalist System". Obviously he was only out to get a fair deal for his workers and not to push his own political agenda at all.

Don't oppress me Mr Taxman !!!111 :D
 
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Summo

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Hmm... I suspect Wij is getting married for tax reasons.
 
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old.Kez

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Originally posted by caLLous
I was planning that also, but I heard you need to have £20,000 available to you to even be considered by the immigration authorities over there
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Or offer them a skill that could be useful or rare, brain surgery etc. would improve your chances. So thats not for Wazz.
Or you could have relatives over there, which means you're eligable, though they can still turn you away, or something. Wazz has stated their criminality history, so thats obviously the one for him.
 
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Skyler

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Tax should be based on earnings!!

people who earn 250k shouldnt be paying the same amount of tax as someone who earns 10k, that just doesnt make sense to me...

Even if the 250k bloke paid more tax, he'd still have huge amounts in excess of what the 10k person has...

They should tax the rich more and leave off the poorer people....

The rich are just getting richer and the rest are just falling behind....
 
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Scouse

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people who earn 250k shouldnt be paying the same amount of tax as someone who earns 10k, that just doesnt make sense to me...

Even if the 250k bloke paid more tax, he'd still have huge amounts in excess of what the 10k person has...

They should tax the rich more and leave off the poorer people....

The rich are just getting richer and the rest are just falling behind....
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Fuck that

For a start - people on 250k don't pay the same tax as someone on 10k. They pay 40% tax instead of 23%.

Under 10k you get 4 grand free, and the rest at 10% or summat.

As far as I'm concerned - that's pretty unfair!


Look at it this way - if tax for EVERYONE was at 20% then someone on 10 grand would pay 2 grand tax, a guy on 100 grand would pay 20 grand tax.

That's fair

It's only poorer people who have the "tax the rich" ethic. If half of them got off their lazy asses and made something of themselves then they'd be the first to complain about higher rate tax banding.

Take me - from a single-parent family (dad died), low-income etc.

Got off my arse and learned stuff, pull in approx 50 grand a year now.

Why the fuck, just because I worked hard should I pay a higher proportion of what I earn?

I pay more tax anyway (that's what percentages are all about for the mathematically unaware) - so why the fuck should I be penalised for wanting to make something of myself? I didn't get any help along the way - why should I subsidise all the dole bludgers?

And don't get me wrong about dole bludgers - I spent a good ten months on the dole. But the reason I was there is because I simply couldn't be arsed doing jobs I didn't like in places I didn't like. NOT because there's no work out there (there's LOADS).

One final thought. If you could be one of these "fat-cats" and earn yourself, and your wife/children a 250 grand "golden handshake" - would you turn it down?

No??

Then stop being so jealous........
 
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Daffeh

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ok, what about people who do work their asses off, but just havent had the same oppotunities

so what if u cant buy another fucking ivory backscratcher cos u get taxed more

try doing something for your fellow man for a change
 
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Scouse

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ok, what about people who do work their asses off, but just havent had the same oppotunities
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You make your own opportunities. I worked for where I am. It's no fluke.

When you do the work, and get somewhere, you realise that the only thing holding you back before was the fact that you didn't believe that you could do it.

Life's tough. Some people will do better than others. Generally - that's because they've worked harder (I know - not in ALL cases). I think it sucks that people who aren't as well off expect them to support them like they're some sort of fucking charitable organisation.
 
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xane

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Originally posted by Scouse Look at it this way - if tax for EVERYONE was at 20% then someone on 10 grand would pay 2 grand tax, a guy on 100 grand would pay 20 grand tax.

That's fair
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Its not really fair. You could look at it the other way, a person on 10k/year has only 8k to spend whereas a person on 100k/year has 80k, would it _really_ make that much difference if the latter was only 60k instead ?

There comes a point when any extra money you earn is sheer luxury, a salary of 100k/year (for example) would easily get you a nice house, nice car(s), private educations for the kids, all the services you ever need, any additional money would be a waste, you get gold plated taps on the jacuzzi, no real added benefit.

There is practically little difference in buying power between a salary of 200k and 300k, but there is a world of difference between 20k and 30k. The reason why fat cats get huge salary rises is proof, it is simply is not effective to push a person from 200k up to 250k, gotta push them to 400k or higher to actually make a visible difference.

I certainly don't support a return to Labour's bad old days when the top rate was 90% tax, but certainly a top tax rate of 45-50% wouldn't hurt anyone much, the rich would still be effectively richer. Remember that even at 90% tax, if you earned a million you'd still have 100k to spend !

Besides, all this pales into comparison with corporation tax, which is supposed to be at 30-40%, yet many companies earning billions of profits don't even pay double-figure tax rates, and that's a LOT of money going missing.
 
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bigbb

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Can I just say this tax is a bloody good idea. Don't think at such face value, it's been implemented in parts of Ireland and they've cut the use of plastic bags to 6%, with people actually reusing their plastics.

Fuck me, i'm sorry! I'm going to have to reuse and recycle instead of consuming, consuming, consuming. You mean these plastics manufacturers are going to be producing less harmful gases and it's a step further to cutting the amount of shit in our lovely landfill sites cutting through miles of countryside, that's bang out of order!

Oh look! There's a pair of tits on the next page, yay.
 
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bigbb

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All aboard...

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mr.Blacky

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the problem with a progresive taxsystem is: where do you put the scales? and it will be massive unfair for the person that earns just above the divide scale.
 
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Scouse

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Cam - I take your point (though I still don't agree with you).

But the fact is - why does everyone expect people who've done well for themselves to be penalised?

I spent ages earning approx 12k whilst having heavy debts. And yes, it was tough. But even then I still couldn't bring myself to think that someone who was better off should subsidise me.

Why the fuck should they?

I can see the "betterment of man" argument. But the fact is - most people on 10k are there because they won't put in the hours or hard work to do better.

Look at my girlfriend - she's got a Master's degree in Osteology, Paleopathology and Funerary Archaeology, yet she works as a vet nurse earning approx. 8k a year. That's her CHOICE. She could get a secretaries job and immediately double her salary, or possibly do something that requires the use of her brain and earn somewhere in the 20k's.

But no, and she's the first to moan about "fat cat's" and how the tax system is unfair.

She pays about 30% of her income as tax and NI.

I paid exactly 67% of my income (last year) as tax and NI.

Now - why the FUCK should I do that when I worked to get where I am and she hasn't because she likes to work with animals?

I don't particularly like my job - so I expect to be able to reap the rewards of my work. People who moan (through nothing more than jealousy) can FUCK OFF.
 
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Wij

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I just wonder why I pay the same council tax as everyone else when I live on an unadopted road.
 
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~YuckFou~

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Originally posted by camazotz
Firstly, to be fair, Labour promised no income tax rises
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ALL tax is income tax.
You pay tax with your income, regardless of what the tax is called, it is income tax.
Blair said he would leave income tax alone, he has in name only. We have had over 30 NEW taxes since he got in, he's inventing the fuckers! All so he can say "I didn't increase Income Tax"..it's all bollocks that the general population fell for, and continue to fall for.
My favouite is tax on fags, its there to subsidise the care of the people who get smoking related disease, apparently. One third of the adult population smoke, lets say they smoke only 10 per day, thats approx 5 million packs sold per day, at lets say £4, so £20,000,000 PER DAY from smokers.
Just in case anybody didn't get that
£20,000,000 PER FUCKING DAY!!

£7,300,000,000 Per Annum

If all smokers stopped tomorrow the country would collapse shortly afterwards.

I've had a shit day btw :)
 
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