Yei, more "games are bad" propaganda.

[fettoken]

We´ll all be dead sooner or later, so what does it matter then what we did with our lives :kissit:

(if they don´t figure out some nifty way of living a few 100 extra years)

 

[Bugz]

big boy bugz, learning to argue his point... however im not going to insult you

Not argueing my point - putting across an opinion. I argue my points on essays that end up being 3x the length they should be. If I wanted to put across an arguement - you'd know about it.

But I don't expect much from you. Judging by previous posts, forums aren't your strong point at all

 

[[NO]Subedai]

maybe i have offended some people with my post, but without trying to be to self rightous i was heavily addicted when i was 17-18, disgustingly so, i was in denial and ild tell my family that. I renember qutting 2-3 times and been so happy to have broken free, only to be snared up again. Yes it is fun, i wont doubt that i really enjoyed it. But its incredibly hard to justify i think, it really isnt a good life, u can say' i rather do this than that and its what makes u happy' but there are other things that can make u happy, u will just never find them if u play 10 hours a day infront of a comp.

I wuld say exactly the same arguments to myself, and ofc it is what will make u happy unless u discover better things, because u are ignorant of what is better so itll make u content. as the old saying goes 'ignorance is bliss'. Its diffrent for diffrent people ofc, i myself have an incredibly addictive personality, and its people like myself and that kid you seee who can get hooked on this. I can look back now and honestly say that its certainly not what i would have liked to do, yes ive met friends through it and achieved something in the space of 2 years, its enhanced my real life 'skills so to say' to an extent. But no where near what travelling for 3 months, or living in spain now is doing to me.

I really doubt any1 here can say that in 20 years time they will be pleased that they spent their youth playing daoc, rather than doin something, something to make you proud and happy and fulfillfed.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well Subedai, i'm 27, i've played massives(from AO to WoW and all in between) for the past, oh say, 7 years.

I did explore life, did things, saw things, went out(still go out), hook up with girls, play amateur poker, drink, party, and all round looked at life.

Now, i like spending my time playing a virtual gam, i like to go out as an elf or a fully geared soldier in vietnam and so forth.

I don't find it a less/more of a "waste of time" then any other thing i've done. Heck, playing games has given me more then less. Playing games makes me happy, fulfilled and even proud. It's part of what i do, how is a person not playing any better then me? Because they have a jaguar? Two kids? Both of those in some f*cked up world(they don't mix)? I don't think so.

 

[Chronictank]

yes ive met friends through it and achieved something in the space of 2 years, its enhanced my real life 'skills so to say' to an extent. But no where near what travelling for 3 months, or living in spain now is doing to me.

I really doubt any1 here can say that in 20 years time they will be pleased that they spent their youth playing daoc, rather than doin something, something to make you proud and happy and fulfillfed.

Not picking on you in particular but was easiest post to grab
You say people are "wasting" their life when they are playing games, what exactly are you doing that is so productive instead?
You are traveling, there is nothing particularly productive about it to be quite frank, you see new places you do a few new things but the fact of the matter is unless you are extremly fortunate and get an opertunity land in your lap you arent achieving a awful lot to further your career, or your life prospects (seeing as your career is contributing to society etc etc). I'd say i am pretty well travelled (mainly because i get free airline travel \o>) but i can honestly say that i had fun but i achieved relatively little.
second thing that people are mentioning alot is "going out", there is nothing particularly productive in going out over playing a game,
you do something you enoy - check
you meet people - check
you do something "bad" for your health - check (newsflash drinking and smoking, drugs the attributes commonly associated with "going out" are not any better for you than sitting on your arse in front of a pc, argualy worse and more expensive)

I personally dont have the time for mmporgs anymore, but that doesnt mean that they are any more of a "waste of life", than anything offered here so far as a alternative.

Also do not delude yourself into thinking you will do something productive instead of something fun in your spare time, unless you are particularly motivated (in which case you would be doing it anyway) you wont be doing anything that is of any real use to you anyway.

 

[Himse]

If you commit suicide because of a game, theres obviously something wrong in the head with you.

 

[Huntingtons]

Being a game designer and all, i find this attack on games(when you should be looking at original mental state and parenting) unjust.

to be fair its easier to hide your mmo addiction. be in your room all day, playing computer or reading, same shit to parents - they can't check up on you all the time

 

[old.Tohtori]

to be fair its easier to hide your mmo addiction. be in your room all day, playing computer or reading, same shit to parents - they can't check up on you all the time

True, what i meant was more in the line of "If the kid go and shoot a schoolbus full of children, playing a game or not wasn't a factor originally. Someone f*cked up, genes or parents."

 

[Huntingtons]

True, what i meant was more in the line of "If the kid go and shoot a schoolbus full of children, playing a game or not wasn't a factor originally. Someone f*cked up, genes or parents."

its always the games fault! HOW CAN YOU LIVE WHEN KNOWING THAT YOU PROGRAM DEATHMACHINES!

 

[old.Tohtori]

its always the games fault! HOW CAN YOU LIVE WHEN KNOWING THAT YOU PROGRAM DEATHMACHINES!

I don't program them!

I say how they should make kids kill babies and make it all look pretty

 

[Chronictank]

I don't program them!

I say how they should make kids kill babies and make it all look pretty

tbh you should make it kill baby kittens next time round
then you might get a reaction

 

[Thorwyn]

At the moment, the situation is getting ridiculous. There´s such an abundance of polemical propaganda against game deisngers, it´s insane. Even the pope decided to "castigate videogames" and the latest ideas to change the laws in .de basically mean, that we, being a gamedeveloper studio, are forced to leave the country or go look for a new job. Fortunately, we´re located pretty close to the dutch border, so we WILL go for the first option. And I know for sure that at least one other company in .de will do the same... however, into the opposite direction of Europe.
The witchhunt we´re currently experiencing (and which is unmatched to anything I`ve ever seen... I mean... nobody is trying to stop anyone from producing porn or horror movies or alcohol or weapons) can have a devastating effect on the economy. There are tons of people working in the industry, not all of them in the front line, but in the second and third.
I`m all for protection of young people. But I - being an adult person - claim the right to consume (and produce) what I want. Computergames DO have an age limit and it´s the goddamn responsibility of the parents to take care of their children.

 

[fettoken]

I mean... nobody stopy anyone from producing porn or horror movies or alcohol or weapons) can have a devastating effect on the economy. .

Exactly, i was thinking of the Saw trilogy. If it would be something that´d fuck up the kids, it would be that. Or online poker, or alcohol and weapons whic are legal as you said.

 

[Samaroon|Terracotta]

Biggest pile of bullshit on this thread so far.

It's a hobby ffs. I don't look back on my gaming history and think it's a load of shit. I've met some great people, developed myself, learnt alot & probably achieved more than i would have done otherwise (knowing me, i'd have mixed with the wrong crowd).

I game alot. Probably 2-3 hours a day and yet I still manage to achieve a social life, have a job, have a girlfriend and complete school work etc. If I can do all of them things and have time for gaming - then it's not really wasted time - as it's a hobby.

As for addiction, it's a dodgy word. It is a compulsion/overpowering urge to do something. I know a lot of us here could have the ability to step back from a game if the need arised & I know a lot of us here do the necessities before we log onto the game. We don't skip work to play the game - we don't refuse secks/bum secks for the game yada yada.

It really pisses me off this idea that a) everyone playing mmorpgs must have an addiction, b) we're all geeks, c) we're wasting our lifes.

News-fuckin-flash - it's called a hobby and none of us fail to give a toss what the media decides to coverage in the way of bias slush.

P.S - If anyone here is a journalist - quit your job! ^^

I'd choose a game over anal any day

 

[Eeben]

I'd choose a game over anal any day

BORING!!

 

[liloe]

Even the pope decided to "castigate videogames" and the latest ideas to change the laws in .de basically mean, that we, being a gamedeveloper studio, are forced to leave the country or go look for a new job. Fortunately, we´re located pretty close to the dutch border, so we WILL go for the first option. And I know for sure that at least one other company in .de will do the same... however, into the opposite direction of Europe.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Thorwyn[B&Q] again." - sux

Then again, I think the idea in .de more or less came from the CSU in bavaria and they're off to kill each other atm (oh the joy of irony).

 

[Jeremiah]

I just came across Wow detox, a site with loads of people posting their experiences with the game. Some of the stuff is kinda frightning, bordering on dependancy.

 

[Huntingtons]

I just came across Wow detox, a site with loads of people posting their experiences with the game. Some of the stuff is kinda frightning, bordering on dependancy.

on the other hand i like your avatar

 

[NikonL]

Even the pope decided to "castigate videogames"

No thats not true at all, more media sensation. If you read the pope's address properly, he actually puts the responsibility on the PARENTS of children who play video games.

But of course the media, and to be fair, a lot of e-comics and gamer news websites, started crying "OMG THE POPE SAYS VIDEO GAMES ARE BAD"

 

[Huntingtons]

No thats not true at all, more media sensation. If you read the pope's address properly, he actually puts the responsibility on the PARENTS of children who play video games.

But of course the media, and to be fair, a lot of e-comics and gamer news websites, started crying "OMG THE POPE SAYS VIDEO GAMES ARE BAD"

stating that you have to back it up tho

 

[Zede]

Pity the 100s of millions of people world wide that are addicted to Soap Operas.

Just hold that though and realise how lucky we really are !!

apart form the negative pointed out to us in the lovely vid, what other side effects could happen ?

Hand / Eye co-ordination = up

Ability to Concentrate = up

Mental Endurance = up

Keyboard Skills = up

Decision Making = up

Ability to use a computer = up

etc..

Dont know many addictions that are so beneficial in todays modern society.

ofc i dot include cocaine,weed,heroin,lsd or booze, without(certain rock stars) being addicted to such things an awful lot of our music would never have been written!)

 

[Thorwyn]

No thats not true at all, more media sensation. If you read the pope's address properly, he actually puts the responsibility on the PARENTS of children who play video games.

Bollocks.

http://www.mediabiz.de/newsvoll.afp?Nnr=225345&Biz=gamesbiz&Premium=N&Navi=00000000&T=1

May I help you with the translation?

During the 41. annual celebration of social communication, Pope Benedikt XVI said with clear connotation directed to the designers and producers of computergames: "Every trend, including movies and videogames - to produce programs, which in the name of entertainment display violence and antisocial behaivour, or banalization of human sexuality, is a perversion and even more abhorrend if it´s made for young people."
And he furthermore appeals to the responsible people from the media industry, to encourage the producers to defend the human dignity and welfare and to affirm the respect for the needs of the family."
He recommended to take the catholic church as an example for that.

(sloppy translation, but nevertheless correct)

 

[psyco]

Not argueing my point - putting across an opinion. I argue my points on essays that end up being 3x the length they should be. If I wanted to put across an arguement - you'd know about it.

But I don't expect much from you. Judging by previous posts, forums aren't your strong point at all

language isn't my strong point, but i think ive improved a bit since i started using forums... i can sure spell better though

i always thought arguing a point and an opinion was the same thing though