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old.mattshanes
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Using a guard tower has to be mids best tactic eh hufner
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Hufner
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Yes, while yours must be binding at portalkeep and running out again and again hoping mez holds long enough to wear down the attackers 
Actually, Guard Tower is a name for one of my tactics - though it still needs refining
Actually, Guard Tower is a name for one of my tactics - though it still needs refining
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old.mattshanes
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Nah my tactic is running along sauv road killing all your silly sbs
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Taggart
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From what ive heard, T30 had to grab "the bull by the horns" so to speak, as it sounds like albs could have been waiting for ages like a bunch of morons, only for T30 to have the balls to go and do what was needed.
Wyleia is cool and so are alot of T30 and GoP, but this thread is just stupid, what are you two guilds benefiting from this? all your doing is making yourselfs sounds stupid to the other realms by posting on BW and flaming the arse out of each other.
Emm one more thing who the fuck is Generic Poster? and if he wasn't there how the fuck can u come up with a conclusion on who is to blame etc?! So i think you should move that affro shaped head out from your arse and shut the fuck up!
Wyleia is cool and so are alot of T30 and GoP, but this thread is just stupid, what are you two guilds benefiting from this? all your doing is making yourselfs sounds stupid to the other realms by posting on BW and flaming the arse out of each other.
Emm one more thing who the fuck is Generic Poster? and if he wasn't there how the fuck can u come up with a conclusion on who is to blame etc?! So i think you should move that affro shaped head out from your arse and shut the fuck up!
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Old Nicodemus
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/em furiously scribbling all this really useful info down as quickly as possible.....
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Aravis
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K, conclusion seems to be;
Albs getting ready to attack, after being repelled a few times.
Wyleia and chums rush in, with bit of luck/skill mez the room.
Everyone rushes in, Albs win, tea and crumpets in the courtyard.
Someone starts saying how wonderful they are compared to the other albs, possibly in jest.
Other albs, think, "wait a minute we were here ages setting this up so you can rush in and get all the glory ?"
Harsh words exchanged, everyone decides tea and crumpets is off, and goes to sulk...
If you want I can throw in a few FFS!, WTF! and LOLs but it looks/sounds like the written word, and peoples interpretation of it have failed once again...
Albs getting ready to attack, after being repelled a few times.
Wyleia and chums rush in, with bit of luck/skill mez the room.
Everyone rushes in, Albs win, tea and crumpets in the courtyard.
Someone starts saying how wonderful they are compared to the other albs, possibly in jest.
Other albs, think, "wait a minute we were here ages setting this up so you can rush in and get all the glory ?"
Harsh words exchanged, everyone decides tea and crumpets is off, and goes to sulk...
If you want I can throw in a few FFS!, WTF! and LOLs but it looks/sounds like the written word, and peoples interpretation of it have failed once again...
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old.mattshanes
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Conclusion=SIMPLE
Lord room is always a good defence to overturn!
Lord room is always a good defence to overturn!
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old.Gryllus
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Well I took some time and read myself through this sad topic.
It was not worth the time of course.
Generic Poster is talking into things he hasn't seen, he is very clever,
and there are always some smart guys who stay down to argue with him.
Generic Poster, welcome on my ignore list, because of your overall incompetent
and pointless, anonymous postings.
And yeah, yet another pointless inter-albion flaming about nothing, congratulations.
It was not worth the time of course.
Generic Poster is talking into things he hasn't seen, he is very clever,
and there are always some smart guys who stay down to argue with him.
Generic Poster, welcome on my ignore list, because of your overall incompetent
and pointless, anonymous postings.
And yeah, yet another pointless inter-albion flaming about nothing, congratulations.
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old.Jessica
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Ahh... perhaps more than one person finally picked up some useful information from reading Barrysworld. Now we see this thread did finally have a point - It put ideas in peoples heads instead of becoming just another moan thread
*cheers*Job done. Going home.
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Danya
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I wouldn't say ages, no more than a few minutes, we were waiting for people who had released to sauvage to get back to renaris, it doesn't happen instantaneously, no matter how much we'd like it to. As for having the balls, people had been "doing what was needed" as you put it for 30 minutes with no result. Did you read the post at all, or just felt you had to throw your tuppence in without taking the time to even attempt to learn the facts.
Can you say hypocrite?
You blast generic poster for coming up with conclusions without being there, while you are doing exactly the same thing in the previous few lines of your post.
So please taggart, take your head out of your arse and your foot out of your mouth and shut the fuck up.
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I`m not having a go at you jesi like I said earlier I agree with most of what you are saying,if there was a set plan then it would be simple but there isn`t,as all seemingly similar scenarios can turn out completely different for arguments sake......
Incoming zerg sorc aoemezzers the front line normally tanks,a few have purge some resist ,say 4-5 tanks have now penetrated our 1st line of defence and are heading towards our casters etc,our tanks now have to turn tail as we are spread out trying to avoid aoemezz the best we can,I have an enemy tank very close whilst another alb tank has started to fight 1 a far distance away,so I should discard mine to help the other tank kill his thus letting the 1 nr me attack our support classes??.
Scenario 2....Sorcs have aoemezzed the 1st wave of incoming zerg,their support classes however were out of range,our sorcs cant go closer as they will be in the enemies casting range,if all our tanks now converge onto 1 target we have made a very easy job for the pbaoers havent we.
However if it is a case of fighting enemy tanks for a quick kill I agree wholeheartedly there is safety in numbers.
Also the same goes in PvE ....if whilst doing tanglers some gobboes slip through the net and you have say 3 tanks it pays for them to taunt each mob seperately rather than concentrate on 1 surely?
In the nutshell there cannot be a set plan as things dont always go according to plan,this said there are basics that should be adhered to,but when things go pear shaped you have to make a decision and make it fast wether that decision was right or wrong who knows.
It is always easy to sieve through the post event analysis,as we all have one thing here, that we didn`t then!,and that is time
Incoming zerg sorc aoemezzers the front line normally tanks,a few have purge some resist ,say 4-5 tanks have now penetrated our 1st line of defence and are heading towards our casters etc,our tanks now have to turn tail as we are spread out trying to avoid aoemezz the best we can,I have an enemy tank very close whilst another alb tank has started to fight 1 a far distance away,so I should discard mine to help the other tank kill his thus letting the 1 nr me attack our support classes??.
Scenario 2....Sorcs have aoemezzed the 1st wave of incoming zerg,their support classes however were out of range,our sorcs cant go closer as they will be in the enemies casting range,if all our tanks now converge onto 1 target we have made a very easy job for the pbaoers havent we.
However if it is a case of fighting enemy tanks for a quick kill I agree wholeheartedly there is safety in numbers
.Also the same goes in PvE ....if whilst doing tanglers some gobboes slip through the net and you have say 3 tanks it pays for them to taunt each mob seperately rather than concentrate on 1 surely?
In the nutshell there cannot be a set plan as things dont always go according to plan,this said there are basics that should be adhered to,but when things go pear shaped you have to make a decision and make it fast wether that decision was right or wrong who knows
.It is always easy to sieve through the post event analysis,as we all have one thing here, that we didn`t then!,and that is time
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Petty Albs.
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old.mattshanes
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Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
Petty Albs.
Bah it's like jerry springer in alb
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Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Bah it's like jerry springer in alb
LOL!
*imagines Paladin trying to hit Sorceror in the face, while Sorceror's friend keeps shouting long monologues... Jerry Springer and some Theurgist trying to calm them down, while the Hibs and Mids in the audience keep shouting "Jerry! Jerry!!"*
Priceless thread - 5 stars from Animul.
... *cackles*
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Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Turamber has gone quiet
(1) Turamber was at work, started at 8am got home 10 minutes ago ... and I have to start again at 8pm
(2) As I said above, my guildmaster instructed me to not add to this post. Hell if I could undo posting it I would ... was a knee jerk reaction to some very annoying and insulting comments. Unfortunately it isn't possible to criticise somebody's actions without others seeing it as being an 'anti-their guild' thing. Moreover the people involved didn't understand why people were upset at the time, and still fail to understand. So no one benefits. Lesson learned by yours truly
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Originally posted by Turamber
(1) Turamber was at work, started at 8am got home 10 minutes ago ... and I have to start again at 8pm
(2) As I said above, my guildmaster instructed me to not add to this post. Hell if I could undo posting it I would ... was a knee jerk reaction to some very annoying and insulting comments. Unfortunately it isn't possible to criticise somebody's actions without others seeing it as being an 'anti-their guild' thing. Moreover the people involved didn't understand why people were upset at the time, and still fail to understand. So no one benefits. Lesson learned by yours truly
Turamber STILL hasnt answered why this thread has my name on it, as it was tripp who said mezzbreakers and pazuzu shouting he was napolean.. i siad nothing other than omg i mezzed the lord room and didnt die, if thats bragging then some problems there...
You also said me and tripp were tossers, implied we were worse than tossers.. Can you PLEASE tell me now why this htread has my name on it and wtf i did at REnaris to deserve such a flame post?
So I get called a tosser for? You say you werent writing an anit-guild thing but then again you target me specifically and it was other guildmates of mine, NOT ME, that you were obviously pissed off at..... sooo.............
(and dont even bother replying if you not gonna answer the question that ive asked and matt has asked countless times.. WTF DID I DO AT RENARIS TO PISS YOU OFF?)
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Only just noticed this thread, can't believe what im reading, do people understand its only a game?
Really tired when approaching Renaris - lots of evil mids inside. GTAoE bats and DoT the casters, die a few times.
Doors going down so I thought I better inform everyone I was going to GTAoE the lords room from below. Send message on broadcast.
Bugger, I managed to draw aggro from lord + 2 archers but im hitting those evil mids, hopefully its aiding my bretheren attacking up in lords, gah I died to aggro.
Release and return fully charged. No albs around, are they on lord? charge up stairs to assist, nope albs mostly resting, nip upstairs and AE Root, DoT a couple of casters, die to stealth.
Release and return fully charged. No albs around, maybe this time they are on lord, charge up stairs to assist, ah ha! albs still resting for the final push, good we have the numbers this time and we are holding back, lets have a wee look up the stairs, gah AE DoT'ed, ouch stealther.
Release and return fully charged, get message not to GTAoE because Wyleia is going to mezz, suits me fine because 3 deaths ago was the last time I used AE and was wondering when someone was going to mezz. Get to Renaris and find albs wiped mids. Yay go albs \o/
Get a pleasant /send from Wyleia thanking me for not using GTAoE, Albion coordination in effect we agree, explain that GTAoE isnt a solution only an irritant and that mezz was the way to go. Happy bunnys, log to finally get some sleep.
Im not getting involved with any argument but a couple of insights - communication is the key to success and with low numbers of Albs attacking its best to all group up instead of going up in bunches and dying.
Really tired when approaching Renaris - lots of evil mids inside. GTAoE bats and DoT the casters, die a few times.
Doors going down so I thought I better inform everyone I was going to GTAoE the lords room from below. Send message on broadcast.
Bugger, I managed to draw aggro from lord + 2 archers but im hitting those evil mids, hopefully its aiding my bretheren attacking up in lords, gah I died to aggro.
Release and return fully charged. No albs around, are they on lord? charge up stairs to assist, nope albs mostly resting, nip upstairs and AE Root, DoT a couple of casters, die to stealth.
Release and return fully charged. No albs around, maybe this time they are on lord, charge up stairs to assist, ah ha! albs still resting for the final push, good we have the numbers this time and we are holding back, lets have a wee look up the stairs, gah AE DoT'ed, ouch stealther.
Release and return fully charged, get message not to GTAoE because Wyleia is going to mezz, suits me fine because 3 deaths ago was the last time I used AE and was wondering when someone was going to mezz. Get to Renaris and find albs wiped mids. Yay go albs \o/
Get a pleasant /send from Wyleia thanking me for not using GTAoE, Albion coordination in effect we agree, explain that GTAoE isnt a solution only an irritant and that mezz was the way to go. Happy bunnys, log to finally get some sleep.
Im not getting involved with any argument but a couple of insights - communication is the key to success and with low numbers of Albs attacking its best to all group up instead of going up in bunches and dying.
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Unbelievably this thread has swollen to almost three times the size it was when I posted last. Hard to believe so much typing can be produced by such a trivial matter.
Anyway, I feel the need to respond to a few of the preceding posts.
Generic Poster: While I disagree with you making generalisations about this particular situation based upon how "common" you believe things of this nature are (inductive reasoning like this is a dangerous thing), I do agree that by its very presence on these boards this thread invites unfounded speculation such as yours.
"suiciding on the Mids" and attacking them using the full force of the Albions present, only to be beaten off by how well the Mids defended, are, I am afraid, very different things. Only if you consider any battle you have a chance of losing, but equally a fair chance of winning, to be suiciding maybe you have a point.
Pazuzu called for people to zerg the Lord room maybe 3 or 4 times, and all during our final victorious charge into the keep. I hardly consider it "spam" to try and shift people into assisting in grasping victory. You seem to be allergic to the word "zerg" - fair enough, but in a pressurised situation without the luxury of time enough to ask 'could everyone politely file up up to the Lord room and begin attacking the Mids defending it if you would be so kind', I think "zerg the Lord room" serves as convenient shorthand.
I'm afraid I couldn't care less whether you consider me to be an "RvR amatuer" (sic) or lacking "willingness to teamplay". However, nowhere did I laugh at the attempts by Turamber & co. to make a Cg for their small portion of the Albion forces at the keep. All I have done is gently mock the fact that instead of being glad that we won the siege, people are telling myself and others off for not having taken the time to participate in this meaningless talking shop. They may have been co-ordinating their efforts, but failed to manage to co-ordinate with the majority of people at Renaris.
You say I "don't have a clue" and that you don't "give a fuck" about whether I have participated in a lot of RvR because I have shown myself to be "ignorant". Unfortunately, the laughably misinformed chronology that follows this only highlights your ignorance about the very matter we are discussing here. Notably, you claim that there was "zerg" spam throughout the siege, whereas only during the final assault did anyone call for an attack on the Lord room. Likewise, you neglect the fact that our group was the first on the scene, rather than some latecomers who spoiled the previously happy and exquisitely organized symposium being held at the keep.
In the next paragraphs Generic Poster, I'm afraid that you again show your complete lack of understanding of the nuances of this situation. No, I'm sorry, the Mids did not fall "back into the Lord room... as the second door was about to fall" and stay there until the time of our victory. Maybe you should explain to the Mids their "lack of understanding of common RvR mechanics" which you clearly have such a grasp on, seeing as they failed to do what "any defender with sense does". Apart from a few moments as we entered the keep for the first time, the Mids spread around the tower as and how the situation demanded. So yes, I am afraid we did "push the Mids back into the Lord room".
"How stupid" am I? I'm not sure that's really a subject for this post. Anyway, I don't think you can argue that the only alternative to joining a useless CG and flapping about outside the keep is to run to the Mids and suicide one by one. Far from it, this very siege demonstrated what can be done through instinctively co-ordinated play as and when the time is right, with or without a CG. Yes, I am a great believer in using CGs when needed and one can ensure that the majority of those present are involved in it. Anything less than that and you have an ineffectual talking shop.
And yes, over 30 minutes did elapse from breaking down all the keep doors until eventual victory. This is clear from the fact that several people were able to use RA's on a 30 minute re-use timer more than once during this period. So no, I am not "bullshitting" you. So yes, I am glad that everyone "calmed... down" and "gathered... outside". As for thanking them, this whole post began with Turamber's anger at my thanking them for staying outside of the keep so we could make a sudden and concerted charge and mezz.
What an odd last paragraph. Maybe you and Turamber could get a discount by signing up for anger management sessions together? I don't remember questioning your "integrity", or even see why you would begin calling me "ignorant". Oh well. Anyhow, thank you for outlining a curriculum of RvR education for me to follow. I would only point out that your speculations as to how I choose to RvR ("resign from the emain zerg", "spend some time taking and defending keeps" etc etc), without any knowledge whatsoever seem more in keeping with being "ignorant" than anything I have said. And feel free to not "waste" your time here if you so choose - although classifying what you claim to be a way to "amuse" yourself as a waste of time seems rather odd. Maybe you should seek out new recreational pursuits?
I would have thought that a seasoned poster on messageboards such as these like yourself would be able to respond to a well-reasoned critique of his post with greater eloquency. Your retorting to feeble efforts to insult me only weakens your arguments, such as they are.
Danyan: I'm sorry, I can't be held responsible for how much the version of events you remember differs from mine. I can only say that I believe mine to be absolutely accurate. Whether you have forgotten things, misconstrued them or twisted them to your own ends I cannot say.
Anyway, I'm glad to see you admit that Pazuzu's joke was most likely meant in jest. I'm just very sorry that you seemed to have lost all capacity to recognise it as such because the same person had asked for people to "zerg" the lord room to help secure a victory. In fact it was precisely this juxtaposition of his two comments ("zerg" and "I am Albion's Napoleon") that *was* funny. The man made a self-deprecating joke comparing his tactical ingenuity with that of Napoleon. Shame you didn't see the funny side.
I'm sorry you, like Generic Poster, chose to make judgements suggesting my "utter inexperience" in this matter. I'm sorry, but your groups were clearly procrastinating outside because they didn't have the tools to carry out a charge. Sorry if it offended you that we did. Maybe you should be less quick to judge people's requests for you to charge on /broadcast as spam and instead try and see the reason why he would say such a thing.
You fail to understand Wyleia's relation of the course of events. She said she had not been in communication with Rumble during the first charge we made, but had on the second one. This is why when she charged the Lord room during the first charge and tried to mezz everyone Rumble's GTAOE regrettably interfered and broke the mezz. Rumble's post confirms this, and that the necessary co-operation was in place.
Anyway, in your last paragraph you identify "the real issue" as an "utter lack of any communication and teamworking skills" by my comrades present. I'm sorry, but we seemed to communicate just fine to do what had to be done in this case.
Sarum: I'm glad that you at least recognise that the real issue here is Turamber's "anger management". Because of what you refer to as a "victory jig" (although as I have repeated ad infinitum, I considered this to be a very innocuous joke that anyone not spoiling for an argument, perhaps because of frustration at feeling sidelined during the eventual taking of the keep, would have seen as such) he felt the need to insult people at the keep and then make a post echoing this here.
Jaas: I'm glad you extend the hand of reconciliation, and to be honest I am sure 'The 30' would grasp it gladly. You are right not to let the petty vanities of several of your members get in the way of a relationship that is more important than them. However it's probably best not to ask Turamber to "bring it" as we'd have real problems ever catching up with him, seeing as he has vowed to leave as soon as any of us arrive in the same place as him.
Aravis: unfortunately, your precis of the situation is disturbingly accurate. My only comments would be that the people "saying how wonderful they were" never actually happened, and the one comment akin to this was definitely said in jest.
Also, I'd point out that Turamber's lot may have been there ages "setting this up" - however, our groups were the first on the scene, so certainly invested even more time in "setting this up".
Turamber: again, please specify which comments you found "very annoying and insulting". And yes, we still fail to understand why you were "upset". All I can see is that you vainly wanted to 'run the show' at Renaris and had your nose put out of joint by other people acting more swiftly and decisively. You were the only one who decided to be insulting.
By the way, I am excitedly waiting clarification as to what having the "manners of a tosser" entails. Please, allow me to see what standards I have sunk beneath, and how exactly I managed this?
Oh, once more, in case anyone reading this didn't catch the line at the bottom of my first post in this thread, this is Tripp writing under this moniker.
Anyway, I feel the need to respond to a few of the preceding posts.
Generic Poster: While I disagree with you making generalisations about this particular situation based upon how "common" you believe things of this nature are (inductive reasoning like this is a dangerous thing), I do agree that by its very presence on these boards this thread invites unfounded speculation such as yours.
"suiciding on the Mids" and attacking them using the full force of the Albions present, only to be beaten off by how well the Mids defended, are, I am afraid, very different things. Only if you consider any battle you have a chance of losing, but equally a fair chance of winning, to be suiciding maybe you have a point.
Pazuzu called for people to zerg the Lord room maybe 3 or 4 times, and all during our final victorious charge into the keep. I hardly consider it "spam" to try and shift people into assisting in grasping victory. You seem to be allergic to the word "zerg" - fair enough, but in a pressurised situation without the luxury of time enough to ask 'could everyone politely file up up to the Lord room and begin attacking the Mids defending it if you would be so kind', I think "zerg the Lord room" serves as convenient shorthand.
I'm afraid I couldn't care less whether you consider me to be an "RvR amatuer" (sic) or lacking "willingness to teamplay". However, nowhere did I laugh at the attempts by Turamber & co. to make a Cg for their small portion of the Albion forces at the keep. All I have done is gently mock the fact that instead of being glad that we won the siege, people are telling myself and others off for not having taken the time to participate in this meaningless talking shop. They may have been co-ordinating their efforts, but failed to manage to co-ordinate with the majority of people at Renaris.
You say I "don't have a clue" and that you don't "give a fuck" about whether I have participated in a lot of RvR because I have shown myself to be "ignorant". Unfortunately, the laughably misinformed chronology that follows this only highlights your ignorance about the very matter we are discussing here. Notably, you claim that there was "zerg" spam throughout the siege, whereas only during the final assault did anyone call for an attack on the Lord room. Likewise, you neglect the fact that our group was the first on the scene, rather than some latecomers who spoiled the previously happy and exquisitely organized symposium being held at the keep.
In the next paragraphs Generic Poster, I'm afraid that you again show your complete lack of understanding of the nuances of this situation. No, I'm sorry, the Mids did not fall "back into the Lord room... as the second door was about to fall" and stay there until the time of our victory. Maybe you should explain to the Mids their "lack of understanding of common RvR mechanics" which you clearly have such a grasp on, seeing as they failed to do what "any defender with sense does". Apart from a few moments as we entered the keep for the first time, the Mids spread around the tower as and how the situation demanded. So yes, I am afraid we did "push the Mids back into the Lord room".
"How stupid" am I? I'm not sure that's really a subject for this post. Anyway, I don't think you can argue that the only alternative to joining a useless CG and flapping about outside the keep is to run to the Mids and suicide one by one. Far from it, this very siege demonstrated what can be done through instinctively co-ordinated play as and when the time is right, with or without a CG. Yes, I am a great believer in using CGs when needed and one can ensure that the majority of those present are involved in it. Anything less than that and you have an ineffectual talking shop.
And yes, over 30 minutes did elapse from breaking down all the keep doors until eventual victory. This is clear from the fact that several people were able to use RA's on a 30 minute re-use timer more than once during this period. So no, I am not "bullshitting" you. So yes, I am glad that everyone "calmed... down" and "gathered... outside". As for thanking them, this whole post began with Turamber's anger at my thanking them for staying outside of the keep so we could make a sudden and concerted charge and mezz.
What an odd last paragraph. Maybe you and Turamber could get a discount by signing up for anger management sessions together? I don't remember questioning your "integrity", or even see why you would begin calling me "ignorant". Oh well. Anyhow, thank you for outlining a curriculum of RvR education for me to follow. I would only point out that your speculations as to how I choose to RvR ("resign from the emain zerg", "spend some time taking and defending keeps" etc etc), without any knowledge whatsoever seem more in keeping with being "ignorant" than anything I have said. And feel free to not "waste" your time here if you so choose - although classifying what you claim to be a way to "amuse" yourself as a waste of time seems rather odd. Maybe you should seek out new recreational pursuits?
I would have thought that a seasoned poster on messageboards such as these like yourself would be able to respond to a well-reasoned critique of his post with greater eloquency. Your retorting to feeble efforts to insult me only weakens your arguments, such as they are.
Danyan: I'm sorry, I can't be held responsible for how much the version of events you remember differs from mine. I can only say that I believe mine to be absolutely accurate. Whether you have forgotten things, misconstrued them or twisted them to your own ends I cannot say.
Anyway, I'm glad to see you admit that Pazuzu's joke was most likely meant in jest. I'm just very sorry that you seemed to have lost all capacity to recognise it as such because the same person had asked for people to "zerg" the lord room to help secure a victory. In fact it was precisely this juxtaposition of his two comments ("zerg" and "I am Albion's Napoleon") that *was* funny. The man made a self-deprecating joke comparing his tactical ingenuity with that of Napoleon. Shame you didn't see the funny side.
I'm sorry you, like Generic Poster, chose to make judgements suggesting my "utter inexperience" in this matter. I'm sorry, but your groups were clearly procrastinating outside because they didn't have the tools to carry out a charge. Sorry if it offended you that we did. Maybe you should be less quick to judge people's requests for you to charge on /broadcast as spam and instead try and see the reason why he would say such a thing.
You fail to understand Wyleia's relation of the course of events. She said she had not been in communication with Rumble during the first charge we made, but had on the second one. This is why when she charged the Lord room during the first charge and tried to mezz everyone Rumble's GTAOE regrettably interfered and broke the mezz. Rumble's post confirms this, and that the necessary co-operation was in place.
Anyway, in your last paragraph you identify "the real issue" as an "utter lack of any communication and teamworking skills" by my comrades present. I'm sorry, but we seemed to communicate just fine to do what had to be done in this case.
Sarum: I'm glad that you at least recognise that the real issue here is Turamber's "anger management". Because of what you refer to as a "victory jig" (although as I have repeated ad infinitum, I considered this to be a very innocuous joke that anyone not spoiling for an argument, perhaps because of frustration at feeling sidelined during the eventual taking of the keep, would have seen as such) he felt the need to insult people at the keep and then make a post echoing this here.
Jaas: I'm glad you extend the hand of reconciliation, and to be honest I am sure 'The 30' would grasp it gladly. You are right not to let the petty vanities of several of your members get in the way of a relationship that is more important than them. However it's probably best not to ask Turamber to "bring it" as we'd have real problems ever catching up with him, seeing as he has vowed to leave as soon as any of us arrive in the same place as him.
Aravis: unfortunately, your precis of the situation is disturbingly accurate. My only comments would be that the people "saying how wonderful they were" never actually happened, and the one comment akin to this was definitely said in jest.
Also, I'd point out that Turamber's lot may have been there ages "setting this up" - however, our groups were the first on the scene, so certainly invested even more time in "setting this up".
Turamber: again, please specify which comments you found "very annoying and insulting". And yes, we still fail to understand why you were "upset". All I can see is that you vainly wanted to 'run the show' at Renaris and had your nose put out of joint by other people acting more swiftly and decisively. You were the only one who decided to be insulting.
By the way, I am excitedly waiting clarification as to what having the "manners of a tosser" entails. Please, allow me to see what standards I have sunk beneath, and how exactly I managed this?
Oh, once more, in case anyone reading this didn't catch the line at the bottom of my first post in this thread, this is Tripp writing under this moniker.
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Wyleia, you do not tell me I'm wrong without backing up your statement. Until then what you say is worthless, proves you to be wrong and perhaps feeling guilty.
Funny how your friend Trippy hasn't returned, I guess he saw contradictions in his idea of teamwork, and what you claim T30 do. Perhaps you should convince your guild, before you convinvce us T30 is a guild for the realm.
I heard AoV and DoA were woking on Beno, there was no mention of T30... maybe you arrived at the end to kill the lord... again.
What's wrong, been buttfucked by trolls again?
If you had any sense, you'd understand albs were gathering for a rush which was very nearly about to happen. However, people were still making their way back from CS, and those present thought it best to wait for them. Except for T30 - who are damned good team players, apparently.
Didn't you used to play in Albion? But you heard trolls have bigger dicks, or maybe saw Midgard earning more RPs, so you saw fit to stab your realm mates in the back.
Don't even try to talk to me you treacherous fuckwit.
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I'll be back for you later Trippy... I need to kill something, so bbl.
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Yep AoV/DoA took Beno with some help of GoP at the end, I don't recall seeing a T30 force.
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Heh, the comment about Tur's anger management was kinda a joke. Many people in DAoC get far too annoyed at the conduct of others, Tur is not alone in this, nor is he by any means the worst.
I think the reason you are looking for Wyleia, for your name being on the thread, is that in the confusion of the post victory spam, Tur got the impression you had made the mez-breaker and other egotistical comments.. a fact you have since corrected, however it's kinda hard to undo the damage already done, so there probably isn't much point trying to change it now.
As for the arguments about differing versions of events... reality is subjective my friends. Memory is even more fickle. Everyone remembers events as they interpreted them, they remember there actions as they intended them, and the remember the events/actions/comments of others that most struck a chord. It is really not unusual for 6 different people to have 6 different memories of the same events. Especially when it is in such a chaotic and charged atmosphere as keep raids like the Renaris one. Just watch two news reports of some event (like the BBC and ITV versions) and they will be different.. each reporter is trained to pick out the important facts from the jumble that is real life... but each one picks a different set.
Lessons should be learnt all round, neither GoP or T-30 are blameless, or to blame here, it's a misunderstanding that's gotten all out of proportion, because that's the nature of posting to BW. Make up, and don't let it happen again folks.
I think the reason you are looking for Wyleia, for your name being on the thread, is that in the confusion of the post victory spam, Tur got the impression you had made the mez-breaker and other egotistical comments.. a fact you have since corrected, however it's kinda hard to undo the damage already done, so there probably isn't much point trying to change it now.
As for the arguments about differing versions of events... reality is subjective my friends. Memory is even more fickle. Everyone remembers events as they interpreted them, they remember there actions as they intended them, and the remember the events/actions/comments of others that most struck a chord. It is really not unusual for 6 different people to have 6 different memories of the same events. Especially when it is in such a chaotic and charged atmosphere as keep raids like the Renaris one. Just watch two news reports of some event (like the BBC and ITV versions) and they will be different.. each reporter is trained to pick out the important facts from the jumble that is real life... but each one picks a different set.
Lessons should be learnt all round, neither GoP or T-30 are blameless, or to blame here, it's a misunderstanding that's gotten all out of proportion, because that's the nature of posting to BW. Make up, and don't let it happen again folks.
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Wyleia and Tripp I laid out my problem with you chaps in the very first post here. I was not, and am not happy, about your 'thank goodness the mezz breakers were outside the keep' line along with the rest of your posturing and ego parading after the keep fell.
I was relieved that the keep had fallen because it had been a piss poor effort with multiple groups "zerging" the Lords room. Rumble would not have seen all that zerging as people were arriving in waves at the keep, and he also went LD for a couple of those attacks.
Casbardh actually tries to stop people zerging but because you are all so uber you disregard what he has to say, rush in - do the job with style, which is great - then come out and take the piss out of the rest of us.
This is not the way for people to behave, even in a game and I find it distateful. When I said as much on the broadcast channel more ego massaging comments were made and my views discounted.
Should have known better than post on BW as you have all simply made the same ego massaging comments here. I was wrong to start this thread, and I was wrong to call you "tossers :/" but you, apparently, are never in the wrong or at fault.
It's tanks that get Wyleia killed - not Mids or Hibs - and its your own realm mates that you put down after a battle involving many other guilds. As I said in a post above you individuals - not your guild - are not the kind of people that I pay good money to socialise or play with. Next time you chaps turn up at a keep take I'll leave you to the uber zerging tactics. Hope the other Alb's left there enjoy your victory celebrations as much.
I've no chat log of what was said but memory says it was you that said those things Wyleia. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong - but you have posted such insulting things on these boards before so I might be confusing what was said in broadband with whats been posted on Barrysworld.
Now, no more posts from me on this subject. I've said what I wanted to say, wished I hadn't bothered, and generally wasted too much time on this.
I was relieved that the keep had fallen because it had been a piss poor effort with multiple groups "zerging" the Lords room. Rumble would not have seen all that zerging as people were arriving in waves at the keep, and he also went LD for a couple of those attacks.
Casbardh actually tries to stop people zerging but because you are all so uber you disregard what he has to say, rush in - do the job with style, which is great - then come out and take the piss out of the rest of us.
This is not the way for people to behave, even in a game and I find it distateful. When I said as much on the broadcast channel more ego massaging comments were made and my views discounted.
Should have known better than post on BW as you have all simply made the same ego massaging comments here. I was wrong to start this thread, and I was wrong to call you "tossers :/" but you, apparently, are never in the wrong or at fault.
It's tanks that get Wyleia killed - not Mids or Hibs - and its your own realm mates that you put down after a battle involving many other guilds. As I said in a post above you individuals - not your guild - are not the kind of people that I pay good money to socialise or play with. Next time you chaps turn up at a keep take I'll leave you to the uber zerging tactics. Hope the other Alb's left there enjoy your victory celebrations as much.
I've no chat log of what was said but memory says it was you that said those things Wyleia. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong - but you have posted such insulting things on these boards before so I might be confusing what was said in broadband with whats been posted on Barrysworld.
Now, no more posts from me on this subject. I've said what I wanted to say, wished I hadn't bothered, and generally wasted too much time on this.
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Who the heck is generic poster? Full of opinion, but little courage to put his in-game name to his words. Come on out from the shadows..
This whole thread seems to be over-hyped discussion of 'a brief incident'. Guilds do things, that other guilds didnt like, or felt un just towards.
I wasnt there, I have no comment to make on the incident. I do resent the accusations towards us for Non-Team Play, Non-Albion. Its just bitter words, and they have no fact or truth. You will find most guilds out there doing their things for albion, T30 included.
If half the time spent reading, and responding, and laughing at the banality of this thread had been spent in the realms, we could have taken half a dozen more keeps.
I have Started a new thread called 'Desdecado is a...' please add as many flames as possible, i'll Lock it in 5 days time, cant say I will read it.
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This whole thread seems to be over-hyped discussion of 'a brief incident'. Guilds do things, that other guilds didnt like, or felt un just towards.
I wasnt there, I have no comment to make on the incident. I do resent the accusations towards us for Non-Team Play, Non-Albion. Its just bitter words, and they have no fact or truth. You will find most guilds out there doing their things for albion, T30 included.
If half the time spent reading, and responding, and laughing at the banality of this thread had been spent in the realms, we could have taken half a dozen more keeps.
I have Started a new thread called 'Desdecado is a...' please add as many flames as possible, i'll Lock it in 5 days time, cant say I will read it.
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Des despite me knowing that t30 are a decent guild the impression created by the comments of those involved after the keep take created the wrong (and a bad) impression which had been further evidenced in this thread. I consider myself one of the most reasonable people in Albion. As those people who know me know I don't get angry and very seldom get annoyed. Thus for it to create this kind of impression on me is a bad thing (tm). It might have all been in jest but in the end it still created this inmpression.
Anyway well said Desdecado - This thread has lasted far too long and has given the mids and hibs far too much of a laugh.
Tur - please lock this and let it descend into oblivion.
Anyway well said Desdecado - This thread has lasted far too long and has given the mids and hibs far too much of a laugh.
Tur - please lock this and let it descend into oblivion.
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Tripp, you've done little other then confirm what I have already said. Please add some variety to your posts, or at least acknowledge what is being discussed here.
You have no regard for the value of a chat-group, which is needed for efficient keep raids/defences. What is really coming out of this thread, is T30's attitude at Renaris.
First I dismissed the comments, as the results of frustration. But now I see some signs of arrogance in your posts. You mock the efforts of the other Albs at the keep, and remain convinced that T30 saved the day. If this is a reflection of your attitudes at Renaris, I'm not surprised this thread was started.
Let's see:
Oh yes, well these comments seem patronising enough:
dormant Albions seemingly concentrating on making chatgroups rather than fighting
I can only imagine you felt frustrated that your long minutes of surely intense, powerful and earthshaking CG debate hadn't really contributed anything
The people who had "managed to unite the albions" had I think managed to drum up less than 2 FG and were dithering outside the keep when the battle was very much there to be won. They had "managed to unite" half the Albions at the keep, over the course of perhaps half an hour. Hardly an achievement to be proud of.
There's a flavour of 'Us and Them' in your words, which reflects on your willingness, or lack of it, to teamplay. I like your paragraph quoted above. I imagine there were 4fg of Albs at Renaris, two groups of which you say were in the cg, and I suspect the majority of the others belonged to T30. With such poor cooperation shown from your side, it's a wonder so many people made it to the cg at all!
I wonder why. Oh! I know... (read above)
If you care to read one of my previous posts, you will see a summary of events, at Renaris. The information was collected from this thread and the other, and is surprisingly accurate!
Even you have confirmed that Pazuzu called for a 'ZERG' 3-4 times, and I quoted him as calling for the zerg four times! I don't see what you problem is, so lets move on...
How kind, lets have more people like you playing in Albion. We will donate RPs to our neighbours and Prydwen will have the world's first RR10 Shaman!
Can you see why this comment is idiotic in more ways then one?
Wrong. It demonstrated how instincts lead you to your death, which happend for half an hour. However, it displayed the effectiveness a cg has to coordinate and gather players for the inevitable strike.
It's just a shame someone's instincts lead to a premature rush, the irony being, that you do not appreciate the efforts of those who gathered all of those albs outside. Even now you claim they were wasting time, where as without their help, the battle may have swung the other way.
Use part of your brain to understand this, and you may see the error in your ways. To deny someone's help is one thing, but to call for it, and then strike them down for being useless is quite absurd.
Did I say arrogance?
Did I say Team play?
Did I say you have made a complete fool of yourself in this thread?
You have no regard for the value of a chat-group, which is needed for efficient keep raids/defences. What is really coming out of this thread, is T30's attitude at Renaris.
First I dismissed the comments, as the results of frustration. But now I see some signs of arrogance in your posts. You mock the efforts of the other Albs at the keep, and remain convinced that T30 saved the day. If this is a reflection of your attitudes at Renaris, I'm not surprised this thread was started.
Let's see:
Oh yes, well these comments seem patronising enough:
dormant Albions seemingly concentrating on making chatgroups rather than fighting
I can only imagine you felt frustrated that your long minutes of surely intense, powerful and earthshaking CG debate hadn't really contributed anything
The people who had "managed to unite the albions" had I think managed to drum up less than 2 FG and were dithering outside the keep when the battle was very much there to be won. They had "managed to unite" half the Albions at the keep, over the course of perhaps half an hour. Hardly an achievement to be proud of.
There's a flavour of 'Us and Them' in your words, which reflects on your willingness, or lack of it, to teamplay. I like your paragraph quoted above. I imagine there were 4fg of Albs at Renaris, two groups of which you say were in the cg, and I suspect the majority of the others belonged to T30. With such poor cooperation shown from your side, it's a wonder so many people made it to the cg at all!
I wonder why. Oh! I know... (read above)
If you care to read one of my previous posts, you will see a summary of events, at Renaris. The information was collected from this thread and the other, and is surprisingly accurate!
Even you have confirmed that Pazuzu called for a 'ZERG' 3-4 times, and I quoted him as calling for the zerg four times! I don't see what you problem is, so lets move on...
How kind, lets have more people like you playing in Albion. We will donate RPs to our neighbours and Prydwen will have the world's first RR10 Shaman!
Can you see why this comment is idiotic in more ways then one?
Wrong. It demonstrated how instincts lead you to your death, which happend for half an hour. However, it displayed the effectiveness a cg has to coordinate and gather players for the inevitable strike.
It's just a shame someone's instincts lead to a premature rush, the irony being, that you do not appreciate the efforts of those who gathered all of those albs outside. Even now you claim they were wasting time, where as without their help, the battle may have swung the other way.
Use part of your brain to understand this, and you may see the error in your ways. To deny someone's help is one thing, but to call for it, and then strike them down for being useless is quite absurd.
Did I say arrogance?
Did I say Team play?
Did I say you have made a complete fool of yourself in this thread?
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On the issue of Organised keep raids, it's a shame you missed last night's attack on Renaris. It was on a larger scale, fully coordinated, and pretty damned near perfect.
You would have learned much, had you been there. Unfortunately, you were 'zerging' Emain looking for RPs, while four groups from Midgard were invading our frontier.
You would have learned much, had you been there. Unfortunately, you were 'zerging' Emain looking for RPs, while four groups from Midgard were invading our frontier.
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"And then he called me a mez breaker!"
"He did? Why do you think he called you a mez breaker?"
"I don't know but it pisses me off... I feel like popping a vein."
"Now lets calm down... wait until you meet our next guest."
*flashy smile*
"Hello, Wyleia! So - what can you tell us about said night?"
... yada, yada...
Five stars for excellence from Uncle Sick.
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Well, I feel sure that avid readers of this thread will know the drill by now.
Generic Poster post 1: first up, unfortunate timing for you to have posted that "your friend Trippy hasn't returned" right after my post. I have at no stage claimed to have been involved in a siege of Beno on the night in question. You suggest that my group may have "arrived at the end to kill the lord....again" - have you been paying attention? If you had, you would have noticed that no-one has denied that the T30 groups were the first on the scene at Renaris. Please, try and keep up.
Yussef: as I said above, I didn't go anywhere near Beno on the night in question, although of course I cannot speak for all my guildmates.
Sarum: I realise of course that Turamber has no real need for anger management courses or the like. However, the opportunity was too good to miss to take a comment made in jest (yes, I saw the icon after it) and take it as though you meant it seriously. I thought it would be quite topical.
Turamber: at least your tone suggests you have realised just how much risible hyperbole you employed throughout this post. The "problems" you laid out certainly do not seem to include anyone having the "manners of a tosser" anymore. Even if your interpretation of events was accurate, I think you'd agree absolutely nothing was said on our part that was "rude"? You were the only ones who stooped to such a level, both here and on the night.
Vae: I've discussed what was said at the keep repeatedly, so I can only presume you have decided to stick by your opinion that you were left with a "bad impression". So be it. However, I would ask you to consider again who on this thread has really left a bad "inmpression" (sic). The people who posted about this petty matter in the first place, and then accused others entirely unfoundedly of rudeness and ignorance? Or the posters who patiently dissected these distorted diatribes in a mature and civilised manner?
Generic Poster post 2: oh dear Generic Poster, what a mish-mash of predictable and contrived commentary you have produced here. Again, I have to wonder why someone who was not even involved in this matter has decided to try and make this so personal. Did I once unknowingly accuse you of having broken a mezz at a tree group perhaps? And you have harboured a grudge against me personally ever since? Anyway, I can only imagine you are trying to supplement your lack of content with a few petty jibes.
To be honest Generic Poster, you have misconstrued so many facts and comments in this thread that your detection of "arrogance" really carries no weight. You have argued entirely against all the available evidence on a number of points, so I now know to take all your opinions with a large dose of salt.
You quote me as saying that "nowhere did I laugh at the attempts.... to make a CG" and then highlight three gobbets where you suggest I was "patronising" as some kind of coup de grace? Of all the thousands of words I have posted in this thread, this was the greatest inconsistency you could find? These are the killer sentences that will make my entire argument flounder and subvert everything I have stated before? Pathetic.
The "flavour of 'us' and 'them" is I am afraid the construct of those who began this thread and then sought to try and pin some kind of label on my companions and me.
I note that you don't deny that the so-called organisers failed to "co-ordinate with the majority of people at Renaris". How on earth do you assess this to mean that my group were the ones who lacked "teamplay", rather than the other way round? I shall tell you how - you have a blinkered opinion on this whole subject that you have been striving fruitlessly to express throughout this thread. If our groups are in a Cg, and the other groups there are also in a CG, which groups are lacking "teamplay"? Before considering such matters you have merely blundered around this thread denouncing people whose posts disagree with yours as "fools". Unfortunately I am not in a position to judge if this is your normal behaviour, although posts such as Gryllus' above would suggest this to be the case.
I think you'll find that I have read the post of yours that you mention and that I dismissed all of your points quite definitively in a prior post of mine. In particular, you will find that I commented on your chronology and pointed out how wrong it was on certain points, including this one. Pazuzu called for a zerg to the lord room 3-4 times within the space of a minute, as we charged into the keep. I am sorry, but I fail to see how informing the other Albs at the keep of where to charge to and when to do so is construed as "spamming". He did not even use /broadcast before this as your extremely dubious "summary" contends.
Now I must genuinely ask if you comprehend the quotation you use that I repeat below?
You quote me as saying: "I don't think you can argue that the only alternative to joining a useless CG and flapping about outside the keep is to run to the Mids and suicide one by one."
You then claim this to be "idiotic". Shall we break the quotation down into chunks of a size manageable by you?
"I don't think you can argue that the only alternative to" suggests that I will following this phrase with two alternatives. I am contending that these two are not the only two possible alternatives, that there may be a spectrum of alternatives ranging between and around them.
"Joining a useless CG and flapping about outside the keep" is alternative one.
Deciding to "run to the Mids and suicide one by one" is alternative two.
Do you suggest that there is no other alternative in this situation? If you can conceive of any other alternative to alternative one (for argument's sake not joining the Cg and charging in and defeating the Mids) you must retract your claim that this comment is idiotic. I hope your next post will include this retraction.
This siege *DID* display the effectiveness that this Cg had to move all of the potential mezz-breakers out of the way in advance of the successful charge. Unfortunately, there are no other visible benefits to this Cg, unless of course its members were able to have a nice chat. However, at no time have I decried the other Albions there as being useless. Everybody played their part in the keep siege. Unfortunately though, some players did choose to snarl bitterly over /broadcast and in this thread, due to their perception that someone had been overly joyful upon retaking the keep.
And I am sorry, but the last quotation you make seems to me to be the only explanation for why a harmless and enjoyable keep retake exploded onto these boards in such a barrage of vitriol. Something must have offended the players who caused this - this is one suggestion as to why that I humbly proferred.
Oh, and yes, you did say "arrogance", yes you did say "team play", but sorry I couldn't find any trace of the last phrase. So I guess that's a negative.
Generic Poster post 3: I'm sorry but after this fuss over the last retake at Renaris I decided to steer clear of this one. Besides, if I had turned up Turamber would have had to have left the area. I am not one to try and spoil people's fun or dictate how they play, a lesson some posters in this thread ought to try and absorb.
And I find it quite charming that you have started to keep tabs on my whereabouts. It's somewhat amusing to have my own little stalker out there somewhere.
Uncle Sick: isn't it very sad that this entire thread stemmed from some feeling akin to "he called me a mez breaker....it pisses me off... I feel like popping a vein".
I've said it before - I don't see anything to be gained from bringing a matter like this to a forum. I honestly can't see that this thread will produce anything other than more dismal and prosaic rhetoric from Generic Poster. I shall have to think twice before bothering to respond to any further posts.
Generic Poster post 1: first up, unfortunate timing for you to have posted that "your friend Trippy hasn't returned" right after my post. I have at no stage claimed to have been involved in a siege of Beno on the night in question. You suggest that my group may have "arrived at the end to kill the lord....again" - have you been paying attention? If you had, you would have noticed that no-one has denied that the T30 groups were the first on the scene at Renaris. Please, try and keep up.
Yussef: as I said above, I didn't go anywhere near Beno on the night in question, although of course I cannot speak for all my guildmates.
Sarum: I realise of course that Turamber has no real need for anger management courses or the like. However, the opportunity was too good to miss to take a comment made in jest (yes, I saw the icon after it) and take it as though you meant it seriously. I thought it would be quite topical.
Turamber: at least your tone suggests you have realised just how much risible hyperbole you employed throughout this post. The "problems" you laid out certainly do not seem to include anyone having the "manners of a tosser" anymore. Even if your interpretation of events was accurate, I think you'd agree absolutely nothing was said on our part that was "rude"? You were the only ones who stooped to such a level, both here and on the night.
Vae: I've discussed what was said at the keep repeatedly, so I can only presume you have decided to stick by your opinion that you were left with a "bad impression". So be it. However, I would ask you to consider again who on this thread has really left a bad "inmpression" (sic). The people who posted about this petty matter in the first place, and then accused others entirely unfoundedly of rudeness and ignorance? Or the posters who patiently dissected these distorted diatribes in a mature and civilised manner?
Generic Poster post 2: oh dear Generic Poster, what a mish-mash of predictable and contrived commentary you have produced here. Again, I have to wonder why someone who was not even involved in this matter has decided to try and make this so personal. Did I once unknowingly accuse you of having broken a mezz at a tree group perhaps? And you have harboured a grudge against me personally ever since? Anyway, I can only imagine you are trying to supplement your lack of content with a few petty jibes.
To be honest Generic Poster, you have misconstrued so many facts and comments in this thread that your detection of "arrogance" really carries no weight. You have argued entirely against all the available evidence on a number of points, so I now know to take all your opinions with a large dose of salt.
You quote me as saying that "nowhere did I laugh at the attempts.... to make a CG" and then highlight three gobbets where you suggest I was "patronising" as some kind of coup de grace? Of all the thousands of words I have posted in this thread, this was the greatest inconsistency you could find? These are the killer sentences that will make my entire argument flounder and subvert everything I have stated before? Pathetic.
The "flavour of 'us' and 'them" is I am afraid the construct of those who began this thread and then sought to try and pin some kind of label on my companions and me.
I note that you don't deny that the so-called organisers failed to "co-ordinate with the majority of people at Renaris". How on earth do you assess this to mean that my group were the ones who lacked "teamplay", rather than the other way round? I shall tell you how - you have a blinkered opinion on this whole subject that you have been striving fruitlessly to express throughout this thread. If our groups are in a Cg, and the other groups there are also in a CG, which groups are lacking "teamplay"? Before considering such matters you have merely blundered around this thread denouncing people whose posts disagree with yours as "fools". Unfortunately I am not in a position to judge if this is your normal behaviour, although posts such as Gryllus' above would suggest this to be the case.
I think you'll find that I have read the post of yours that you mention and that I dismissed all of your points quite definitively in a prior post of mine. In particular, you will find that I commented on your chronology and pointed out how wrong it was on certain points, including this one. Pazuzu called for a zerg to the lord room 3-4 times within the space of a minute, as we charged into the keep. I am sorry, but I fail to see how informing the other Albs at the keep of where to charge to and when to do so is construed as "spamming". He did not even use /broadcast before this as your extremely dubious "summary" contends.
Now I must genuinely ask if you comprehend the quotation you use that I repeat below?
You quote me as saying: "I don't think you can argue that the only alternative to joining a useless CG and flapping about outside the keep is to run to the Mids and suicide one by one."
You then claim this to be "idiotic". Shall we break the quotation down into chunks of a size manageable by you?
"I don't think you can argue that the only alternative to" suggests that I will following this phrase with two alternatives. I am contending that these two are not the only two possible alternatives, that there may be a spectrum of alternatives ranging between and around them.
"Joining a useless CG and flapping about outside the keep" is alternative one.
Deciding to "run to the Mids and suicide one by one" is alternative two.
Do you suggest that there is no other alternative in this situation? If you can conceive of any other alternative to alternative one (for argument's sake not joining the Cg and charging in and defeating the Mids) you must retract your claim that this comment is idiotic. I hope your next post will include this retraction.
This siege *DID* display the effectiveness that this Cg had to move all of the potential mezz-breakers out of the way in advance of the successful charge. Unfortunately, there are no other visible benefits to this Cg, unless of course its members were able to have a nice chat. However, at no time have I decried the other Albions there as being useless. Everybody played their part in the keep siege. Unfortunately though, some players did choose to snarl bitterly over /broadcast and in this thread, due to their perception that someone had been overly joyful upon retaking the keep.
And I am sorry, but the last quotation you make seems to me to be the only explanation for why a harmless and enjoyable keep retake exploded onto these boards in such a barrage of vitriol. Something must have offended the players who caused this - this is one suggestion as to why that I humbly proferred.
Oh, and yes, you did say "arrogance", yes you did say "team play", but sorry I couldn't find any trace of the last phrase. So I guess that's a negative.
Generic Poster post 3: I'm sorry but after this fuss over the last retake at Renaris I decided to steer clear of this one. Besides, if I had turned up Turamber would have had to have left the area. I am not one to try and spoil people's fun or dictate how they play, a lesson some posters in this thread ought to try and absorb.
And I find it quite charming that you have started to keep tabs on my whereabouts. It's somewhat amusing to have my own little stalker out there somewhere.
Uncle Sick: isn't it very sad that this entire thread stemmed from some feeling akin to "he called me a mez breaker....it pisses me off... I feel like popping a vein".
I've said it before - I don't see anything to be gained from bringing a matter like this to a forum. I honestly can't see that this thread will produce anything other than more dismal and prosaic rhetoric from Generic Poster. I shall have to think twice before bothering to respond to any further posts.
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Ok for the LAST time ... I am flattered Turamber that you think I am talented enough to play Tripp, a minstrel, and my Sorc at the same time, but I dont. What tripp says is not what i said. Can you get that through your thick skull yet? Tripp said mezzbreakers, I said nothing of the sort.
I said nothing of Napolean, i was in total shock that i didnt die until an hour or so afterwards. I said nothing egoish of the sort, unless you count me exclaiming about how I was able to aemez the lord room and NOT die doing it (I fully expected to die doing this to get you guys into that room to take the keep).
Someone PLEASE get Turamber some +int items.. he needs them badly.
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