Wyleia

[Turamber]

I really don't understand your need to constantly criticise your realm 'mates', tanks in particular. The comments about how 'the mezz breakers had been all outside the keep' when you're little T30 zerg rushed the Lord at Renaris tonight were utterly uncalled for.

If it hadn't been for the tanks knocking the door down, infiltrators taking archers down, paladins and clerics rezzing you and your fellows there would have been no glory for you and your friends to cover yourselves in.

Personally I'm wondering whether I will bother to rez you in future. There is no doubt that you are good at what you do, but you also get an A Plus for pissing off people who also know their job. Way to go.

 

[wyleia]

AS i said i nthe previous post, *I* said nothing about mezz breakerss ffs.. Someone else said that and i laughed at it. Get your facts right before you flame please.. At least flame me for something I did do or say.

As i remember someone said "Thank you Danyan for keeping the mezz breakers outside"

That someone was NOT me. So quit being an idiot.

 

[Trippy]

Turamber, what's eating you?

Haha, your post was so funny Turamber I had to register on these forums just to reply.

Boy, you and your little buddies at Renaris really worked yourselves up into some kind of righteous anger didn't you? One would imagine that you guys would have been satisfied that Albion won the siege and captured the keep.... clearly not. It wasn't done by your group, so you all got sour about it.

Instead, you decided to turn to petty namecalling because our group had rushed in and mezzed the lord room (great work Wyleia) without your express permission - odd what gets people upset isn't it? After the keep was taken and my groupmate Pazuzu jokingly announced "I am Albion's Napoloeon" over the broadcast channel in reference to his earlier calls to "zerg the lord room" over the very same channel (clearly a deadly serious comment, and one you were well justified to understand to be some kind of grievous slight on your siege technique) you guys responded by calling all of us (Wyleia and myself amongst others) "idiots", "tossers" and "stupid".

Oh, and it was *me* who thanked you for keeping the mezz-breakers outside the keep for the vital moments - but surely any right-minded person would have understood that as satisfaction that the lord room's occupants were mezzed and killed without a hitch or interference by any AOE spells, rather than perversely twist it into some kind of terrible personal insult (guilty conscience here Turamber? I certainly didn't name anyone as a mezz breaker, yet you presumed I meant you). Oh, and you managed to perceive it as a diminution of the role of all tanks/infiltrators/clerics present to boot?

Anyway, I have to wonder what could possess someone to not only get so angry about such trivia but feel the need to bring it to the boards here. And to say you might not rezz Wyleia again in the future over something like this..... pathetic and deplorable.


Incidentally, as there's no signature I'd better add that this is Tripp.

 

[old.mattshanes]

That was uncalled for in my opinion,everyone didn't do too bad i mean come on those mids were fighting well for godsake they weren't watching tv in the lord's room.Both guilds did ok,to make a comment to a player who plays a class we need mostly in rvr at the moment is ignorant.

Turamber think as of it the people who were there cared about their realm and keeps rather than gain rp in emain,i sure as hell would of gave a lot better fight than i did in that tower if i wasn't lagging every 5 secs but some people did go in lord room which was stupid but then again that wasn't many people i only saw a few go there most people were shot through the wall by the lord and died.

Now please stop arguing we may of not done our best but at the end of the day all who took part were people who care for the realm.

 

[gervase]

My lord!

What an effort that was to get those doors down and get into that Keep. My brother says he really sweated it out inside his armour, especially when urging people to consider more apt strategys than feeding themselves into the minicing machine the mids had set up (yes we have your number Midgardian foes!!).

All that matters is the keep fell to those to who the ground is sacred, the realmfolk of Albion.

It matters not how it fell, not who said what, all that matters is that it fell back into our care - the ultimate aim was to take the keep was it not?

One Albion, One Chatgroup, One Force!

 

[Turamber]

Wyleia you were in agreement with what Tripp said and you have posted a number of such messages on these boards criticising Albion's tanks. You have also said such things during raids which others have noted.

If you can't take criticism back then I suggest you don't hand out.

And Tripp people had been 'zerging' the Lord's room for the previous 30 minutes with no gain. If you and your friends want to get a name for yourselves as disregarding the raid organisers instructions, and being insulting muppets to boot, then you have done your job.

 

[SilverHood]

Easy turamber... they are only albs

 

[Danya]

I might add, when you're trying to stop people futily throwing themselves into the mid's mincing machine (to use cas's phrase), it's NOT HELPFUL AT ALL to have a bunch of muppets screaming "zerg the lord room" when half the force aren't even at the keep. Had it not been for that mez, paz's "great tactics" would have just led to yet another wipeout.
What got Turamber's hackles up really though (I think), was all the talk afterwards by various members of T30 where they basically made out that they soloed the keep and everyone else were just annoying mezz breaking leeches.
Also, you might get less mezzbreaking if you thought to tell people that you were about to run up and mezz the lord room, instead of just rushing in then complaining that people hadn't read your minds and worked out what you were doing. I noticed many of T30, including wyleia in the chat group, yet not one seemed to know how to use it. Here's a tip - communication wins far more battles than just running in and trust luck.

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by Danyan
What got Turamber's hackles up really though (I think), was all the talk afterwards by various members of T30 where they basically made out that they soloed the keep and everyone else were just annoying mezz breaking leeches.

Exactly. If it hadn't been for us mere mortals there would have been no glory for them to revel in. I was about to log off a relieved man that we had finally beaten the buggers then I see all that cobblers from some T30 members on broadcast.

Maybe posting a moaning thread about someone on BW isn't the best way to express my outrage but they sure as hell weren't listening to anything we said to them last night. But hell, we're just noobs so what do we know.

 

[wyleia]

1. I was not in any chat group. So AGAIN please get your facts straight

2. Pazuzu was in my group, and i did /g mezzed before i did the /b cuz /g is just habit, my group knew what was going on, the GTAOE-er knew what i was trying, I used broad several times to tell everyone, so im there spamming mezz, i get that off and a few broads, so pazuzu starts to yell to zerg to help me about as well.

3. Zerging the Lord room with no gain for past 30min, of course, the reason we ZERGED This time was because the entire lord room was mezzed..................... as i said over group then broad

4. I have posted ONE thread to alert the tank community to what an aemezzer can do, so please direct me to 'posted a number of such messages ' since i only remember it being one thread. And yes I still stand by my theory of quickcast aemezz on my attackers saves more lives than having a tank try to assist me. Because a) it imediately frees me to cc more b) that tank can go kill casters or healers instead of messing about with tanks c) i can root if they purge just fine.

5. The last zerg we were two full groups of t30 there, and yes they all made jokes, but lighten up, we are on the same side here.. and Danyan did laugh and crack a funny comment back at the mezzbreaker comment.. And today he is riled up.. dont laugh and agree danyan if u trully dont feel that way.

6.

If you can't take criticism back then I suggest you don't hand out.

I still dont understand what you are criticizing me on... Tripp has said he made the mezzbreaker comment, i didnt speak much on broad... All i did was aemezz the lord room and then yell mezzed lord room mezzed gogogogogo or something to that effect.. If you wanna criticize me for doing that go ahead, but I will still do it again. So Im not quite sure what im being criticized for doing.


7. CHILL OUT and quit the petty barrysworld flames.. if you had a problem with me you could speak to me in game, im there every evening, no need to make an ass out of yourself on the boards and exagerate everything AND get your facts all screwed up as you have done.

Wyleia Mythweaver
50th Sorc of The 30
http://www.the30.org.uk

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by wyleia
5. The last zerg we were two full groups of t30 there, and yes they all made jokes, but lighten up, we are on the same side here.. and Danyan did laugh and crack a funny comment back at the mezzbreaker comment.. And today he is riled up.. dont laugh and agree danyan if u trully dont feel that way.

I'm not riled up, though I was a bit irritated last night. My "funny comment" was made before T30 launched into their "we are so uber, bow before us n00bs" spam. There's a difference between a few funny comments and just self-centred, ego-stroking spam, perhaps you should learn when to draw the line.

As for the cg, at least one member of your group was in the cg (pazuzu was I'm sure, I thought you were, maybe I misread), if not more, yet people refused to use it, which defeats the point of having one and hampers communications.

Originally posted by wyleia
3. Zerging the Lord room with no gain for past 30min, of course, the reason we ZERGED This time was because the entire lord room was mezzed..................... as i said over group then broad

The cries of "zerg!" and "charge!" started some minutes before your broadcast that the lord room was mezzed. Had I not been there shouting for people to not zerg in, things might have turned out much differently. As soon as you said they were mezzed, I shouted "go" and charged in.

 

[knudden]

WTF !!!!
Wyleia are one on the most nice persons i know in the game
stop being so sour ppl
as for the retake it was the most disorgnist crap i ever seen
some in the group just wanted to end it and with our ra's up and runing we rushed in... u dident follow? well some did and was as a great help
and our great "napoleon" did scream if out

i will soon forget this battle
but flaming wyleia for no reson i will not

gr8 mezz Wyleia but u missed the jarl

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by knudden
Wyleia are one on the most nice persons

uke: the few times i have spoke to her she has been very patronizing to say the least

 

[Trippy]

Sorry Danyan, when you mention "We are so uber, bow before us nOObs' spam" would you mind making it explicitly clear that this sentence inside quotation marks is not a quotation but in fact your own personal interpretation of /broadcast comments which bore no resemblance whatsoever to this?

Unfortunately, when I put into quotation marks that you and your lackeys called people "tossers" and "idiots" over /broadcast I am quoting directly - and this for the offence of not having followed orders you gave in a CG pretty much only your group was in. I would suggest that speaking to people like this does more to hamper communications than people not using your precious chatgroup.

You and Turamber suggest that we have been "insulting" - on the contrary only your group indulged themselves in that manner. I'm sorry, but you really need to stop and look at what has got you upset. Danyan and Turamber between them claim:
1/ the one member of our group in your Cg did not use it enough for your liking.
2/ a couple of comments were made over /broadcast that *you* view to be "self-centred" and "ego-stroking", rather than funny.
3/ from the above 2 points you infer, entirely without basis, that we considered you to be "mezz breaking leeches", and "nOObs"

These heinous crimes led Turamber to feel what he describes as "outrage", and start all this on a messageboard. Outraged by the above? Laughable.

By the way Turamber, would you care to update us on your position with regard to never rezzing Wyleia again? Will you be extending this policy to me or anyone else in future you believe is not doing things exactly as you dictate? Should we run all comments on public chat channels past you first to ensure all traces of humour and self-confidence are edited out lest we incur your wrath?

Please, stop being so petty. You're making yourselves look hyper-sensitive, childish, and just plain bad.

Shall we close this subject now, before any watching Hibs and Mids die of laughter at the bickering over what was a simple keep retake until you dragged it all over these boards?

 

[Generic Poster]

Re: Turamber, what's eating you?

Originally posted by Trippy
Instead, you decided to turn to petty namecalling because our group had rushed in and mezzed the lord room without your express permission

After the keep was taken and my groupmate Pazuzu jokingly announced "I am Albion's Napoloeon" over the broadcast channel in reference to his earlier calls to "zerg the lord room" over the very same channel

Sounds like many albs were suiciding on the mids, by running up in small groups and dying. Also looks like someone was trying to get things organised by gathering the albs outside of the keep for a planned rush.

But by your own admission, your friend Pazusu was spamming the /cg with his idiotic calls for a 'ZERG!' which you eventually went and did without informing anyone in the cg.


Tell me, exactly how did your group contribute to the organisation of the attack?
You have a fool, repeatedly calling for the 'ZERG!' when he knows people are still gathering outside the keep. Your group ignores the plan laid out in the cg and decides to venture forth regardless.


Can you understand why people, who had just managed to unite the albions into a single force were pissed off at your actions?

No doubt boasting about it and slagging off certain people just annoyed them further.


If you cannot communicate and coordinate with others, stay the hell away from them.

 

[Turamber]

Tripp, Wyleia ... please read what Generic Poster wrote. Neither of you are worth the efforts of pressing the keys on my keyboard at midnight.

If you wish to quote exactly what I said it was "tossers :/" Wasn't happy to have to use that expression but you weren't listening to what anyone had to say, too busy stroking your egos it seems. I do apologise though, neither of you have the manners of a tosser.

 

[Turamber]

At the specific request of my guild master I withdraw from the field, and will close the thread after work tomorrow in case people wish to exercise a right to reply.

 

[old.Vae]

Forst of all Pazuzu was spamming /br and /y with "let's zerg the lord" (maybe not exact quote but pretty close) depsite Casbardh and Danyan trying to organise everyone into one force to stop them from "zerging the lord room" and dying yet again. They were using both /cg and /y for this. Therefore I suggested on br in response to Pazuzu "Why don't you just zerg the lord on your own?"

The idiot comment was made by me later and was in repsonse to Pazuzu's comment about being Napoleon and was thus: "No you are an idiot".

There are exact quotes (as much as I can remember) as requested and I would say that certainly the way Pazuzu behaved and the comments which were made (whether it was all tongue in cheek or not) certainly created the wrong impression on the other people there.

Anyway end of my contribution to the thread.

 

[knudden]

sorry generic
thats not how it happend
im too aint gonna waste more time on this

 

[Danya]

Tripp, read what Generic Poster wrote. I haven't the energy to reply to your overly pedantic purile load of tripe. He summed it all up anyway.
Also, I didn't call anyone "idiots" or "tossers", merely commented on certain people's egos... Maybe you should get your facts straight before critisising others for theirs, hmm?

 

[wyleia]

Originally posted by old.Vae
Forst of all Pazuzu was spamming /br and /y with "let's zerg the lord" (maybe not exact quote but pretty close) depsite Casbardh and Danyan trying to organise everyone into one force to stop them from "zerging the lord room" and dying yet again. They were using both /cg and /y for this. Therefore I suggested on br in response to Pazuzu "Why don't you just zerg the lord on your own?"

The idiot comment was made by me later and was in repsonse to Pazuzu's comment about being Napoleon and was thus: "No you are an idiot".

There are exact quotes (as much as I can remember) as requested and I would say that certainly the way Pazuzu behaved and the comments which were made (whether it was all tongue in cheek or not) certainly created the wrong impression on the other people there.

Anyway end of my contribution to the thread.

So maybe siomeone can explain why this thread is named after me and Turamber calling me a tosser etcetc if it was pazuzu who pissed u guys off and tripp who made the mezzbreaker comment?

Personally i dont like to get flamed when i did nothing wrong, just because some angry pally with some grudge against me feels like it... Or if you consider the actions of one t30 to represent all of us, i will take this thread to represent GoP as well, and think the same of all of you what I think of Turamber at this moment...


Wyleia Mythweaver
50th Sorc of The 30
http://www.the30.org.uk

 

[Generic Poster]

Originally posted by knudden
sorry generic
thats not how it happend
im too aint gonna waste more time on this

I believe that's exactly how it happend. The same thing happens so often, it's not hard to imagine it.

If anything made this keep take unique, I'd like to hear it

Originally posted by wyleia
the reason we ZERGED This time was because the entire lord room was mezzed.....................

You mean the Lord room was mezzed before you got there?! wow.

Wyleia, what you did was comendable and /respect for getting all of the mids in one go. But it could have gone down better with a little communication. DAoC is a team-game and players need to cooperate, what you say to your group/guild means nothing to 20+ people waiting outside of the keep.


You're angry at tanks who don't work with you, by breaking your mezzez and so on. This is pretty much the same but the other way round. Try to understand that dear.


<wants to see more sorcerers mezzing in RvR>

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Petty Albs.

Makes an amazing read...

 

[Trippy]

The replies since my last post have by and large peddled such half-truths or downright falsehoods I feel compelled to deal with them in order. I wish I could use the quotation thingy you people have used, but as I said I have never posted here before and can't be bothered to work out how to use them for the sake of this.


Generic Poster: to begin with, let me point out how very strange it is for you to make assumptions about the course of events using fragments of information pieced together from within this thread, and then to comment upon your perceived scenario. I imagine you would say that by having this thread here it invites such speculation - I can only say that I didn't begin or want this thread, and wonder why someone not involved would feel the need to comment. Anyway, paragraph by paragraph...

I didn't see anyone "suiciding on the Mids". My group arrived, we assisted in battering down the doors, and then had a bloody fight with the Mids up and down the staircase of the main tower, accompanied by all the Albs present. The defending Mids played just too well and fought too ferociously for us to oust them. Our next engagement with the Mids was the very one that is the topic of this thread.

I admitted that Pazuzu was spamming a CG? I certainly did not say he had spammed any channel. I said he had earlier called for Albs to zerg the lord room through /broadcast, not /cg - he did this as we charged into the keep and ran for the Lord room. And if running into a keep past a group of dormant Albions seemingly concentrating on making chatgroups rather than fighting and informing them over the /broadcast channel, the one channel everyone present was able to see, that they should zerg towards the Lord room is not informing them of our intentions.....

So how did we contribute to the organisation? Well I'd say making the first vital charge into the enemy, pushing them back to the Lord room and mezzing all the survivors there in effect thrust organisation onto the procrastinators outside. I'm sorry, but everyone at a siege being part of a CG does not make it by default organised. Having a plan of action, and carrying it out successfully, including calling in the groups daydreaming outside to help administer the killing blow at the correct moment certainly does suggest organisation.

The people who had "managed to unite the albions" had I think managed to drum up less than 2 FG and were dithering outside the keep when the battle was very much there to be won. They had "managed to unite" half the Albions at the keep, over the course of perhaps half an hour. Hardly an achievement to be proud of.

There was no "boasting", and no "slagging off", unless you presume that someone mocking his own calls for us to zerg the room by equating them with leadership and tactical ingenuity on a par with Napoleon could ever be understood as anything but a joke. I find that hard to believe.

And I'm sorry, but a lack of communication and co-ordination was not the problem here. Some people's strange reaction to a success for the realm, if not engineered and carried out by themselves and themselves alone, is. That the co-ordination was there is evidenced by the success of the attack and the well-timed entrance of Turamber & co into the fray after us, whether they care to accept this or not. In fact, this whole thread was started by Turamber's indignation at being thanked for staying out of the way and not GTAOEing the Lord room as we mezzed it. Whether he likes it or not, this was vital to the success of the assault, and it seems to me that Turamber is more upset by the degree of his co-operation, admittedly unknowing, that was involved.

Turamber: fantastic post Turamber - pleased to see you can bring this subject to these boards and not even discuss the issues, let alone the points I raised in my previous post. Are you still not rezzing Wyleia ever again out of interest? But at least we can see how quickly you resort to childish (childish both in having resorted to it and the incredibly bland word chosen) namecalling here, just like you finally admit you did at the keep. Incidentally, just where did I show myself to have a lack of manners? Please, explain what on earth you are talking about here.

By the way... I'm interest to know of what standard are "the manners of a tosser" which you claim Wyleia and I fail to live up to. I have to admit I don't have the first clue what a tosser's manners are expected to be like. Could you enlighten me?


Vae: hardly a nice thing to say is it? Someone jokingly says "I am Albion's Napoleon", so you feel compelled to reply "No, you are an idiot". What on earth caused you, and seemingly all your guildmates present as well, to take this innocuous joke so poorly. I'm only speculating here, but I can only imagine you felt frustrated that your long minutes of surely intense, powerful and earthshaking CG debate hadn't really contributed anything.


Danyan: "overly pedantic" - in a thread started by your friend over who said a particular sentence and in what context, I hardly think being too thorough is a flaw.

"purile" (sic) - sorry, please show me what I wrote which was less than mature.

"load of tripe" - ouch, stinging critique of the opinions expressed in my post. I guess you'd say this is a subjective matter, so there's no need for you to reply to any of the points in my post.

"I didn't call anyone "idiots" or "tossers" " - I didn't say that you did. I stated that "you and your lackeys called people "tossers" and "idiots" ". Maybe you didn't catch the word "lackeys" in the middle of the sentence? And seeing as two of them have admitted in this thread to using those two words, I guess I did get my facts straight, hmm?

Unfortunately, like Turamber, you failed to post anything worthwhile in your post. In fact, apart from a pathetic attempt to criticise my post, all you include is an attempt to be "pedantic" about what I had written before. Please, if you insist on replying again do try and be more consistent for the duration of your four line post.

However, as in my last post, I would urge you to close this subject now. I didn't want to start discussing this matter here, and can't see anything being achieved by it. Certainly, the standard of your posts would have to rise above "read what Generic Poster wrote" before we'd have any chance at all of that.

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Now, now... Why can't we all be friends?

There, kiss and make up now.

DANYAN!
Gettoffmeeee!!

<wipes mouth>

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by Pixie.Pebr

DANYAN!
Gettoffmeeee!!

<wipes mouth>

Must be your fancy Peter "Blow my Flute" Pan outfit.

LOL

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Which is just one out of the many fine suits in this collection.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

*goes to emergency wash his eyes*

 

[Turamber]

Unsurprisingly, just like the conversation we had that evening you people have no idea of the offence you caused others by your behaviour - and appear unwilling to accept the fact, or reason upon it.

Yes, calling you 'tossers' was not pleasant - it summed up my frustration at your inability to understand how you had pissed people off.

And starting a thread in Barrysworld was also a daft thing to do, and pointless also as you are still incapable of understanding how offence was given.

I will not be in a position to rez Wyleia as the next time you chaps show up I will take my leave, that should please everybody.

Anyway. Apologies to Vae for adding to my spam count, thought I should just answer Tripp's last post. Will leave the thread open in case others wish to post but this is me signing off, honest...

 

[old.mattshanes]

Thank god,it was a pointless thread in the first place.