wth is this i will help you but it will cost.

[Gravediggah]

hehe i just have to say dear lord how weird ppl can be over drops.

I never had any problems with hib ppl doing artis/ML's and so on, However last week i have met some really morons.

Who art these wannabes? albs who traded there accounts for a hib acc? The moaning and greif is bloody amazing.

Like.

A enchanter was camping CS yesterday,he asked some who was in GG for help and "sure we help" when cloak dropped they "We helped we want lotto"

WTF is that? so this guy who asked for some help had to try win the cloak him VS fg noobie wannabes tbh.

I can NEVER remember when someone asked me "hey can you help me with this or that arti" that affter drop everyone went we want lotto we helped too.

And i have helped frigging a zerg with doing artis i never even /random for RoG's. I have probably done SoM 20 times for others malice probably even more and 1.1 and scalars,gov,cs and so on.These ppl has not even been in my guild 80% i has not even rvr'd with or spoken too before.

We really got this pathetic and greedy?

Or has it come to you can not help others without you get paid?

So anyways watch who you ask for help cuz you probably have to pay them or random for your arti you just asked them to help you with.


/ :worthy:

 

[eSo]

i agree with grave 100%. things have gone wrong.

 

[Ronso]

Fucking albs zerging us from the inside - Fg of albs on cs

 

[Lorra]

nope, sorry i dont agree, call me greedy, call me lame, but i don't care.

If i spend time helping someone do an aritifact, then i want a chance at getting the ariti, im not the richest player in the world, so if i can make a little money i will.

And no im not an alb/pry wannabe, Hibs been my home for ages now ^^

Afaik, its been like this for awhile now, always will be....

 

[Ronso]

Tbh I can understand someone camping an arti for a few hours and wanting claim -

I can safely say Im all for that - and tbh maybe GD is too but the point is the majority of these people u pop a fop for or log an ani in to make them a template or a few platnum wont be there to return the favour --

Plenty of times Ive camped eramai with the intention to sell and Ive claimed the arti - however I do return the favour --

I can list the names of the majority of people who I call to help me and I remember that when they see something on my cm they want or they need a small loan or just plain help --

I owe a lot to most of the Aop guys and also IA and HP are always quite helpful and I would go out of my way to help the ones ( mebbe not the guild as a whole ) but the ones who were there when I needed them --

 

[Gravediggah]

nope, sorry i dont agree, call me greedy, call me lame, but i don't care.

If i spend time helping someone do an aritifact, then i want a chance at getting the ariti, im not the richest player in the world, so if i can make a little money i will.

And no im not an alb/pry wannabe, Hibs been my home for ages now ^^

Afaik, its been like this for awhile now, always will be....

lol then dont help? and whats its been like this for awhile now, always will be?

I toa'd 3 chars always got help never had any problems,I really hope you aint toa'd so you can ask ppl too for help and they say they will help you get it and when you done they will "We gona lotto now HAHAHAHAH"

But hey thats ok perhaps they count daoc in plats aswell

And sence many camp there artis i hope you have camped this arti for uhm atleast 8 hours and then those 8 hours will be for nothing lmao!!

Anyways whats ur ingame name so i can avoid it if now ever would need help again with something

 

[Culanan]

Tbh I can understand someone camping an arti for a few hours and wanting claim -

I can safely say Im all for that - and tbh maybe GD is too but the point is the majority of these people u pop a fop for or log an ani in to make them a template or a few platnum wont be there to return the favour --

Plenty of times Ive camped eramai with the intention to sell and Ive claimed the arti - however I do return the favour --

I can list the names of the majority of people who I call to help me and I remember that when they see something on my cm they want or they need a small loan or just plain help --

I owe a lot to most of the Aop guys and also IA and HP are always quite helpful and I would go out of my way to help the ones ( mebbe not the guild as a whole ) but the ones who were there when I needed them --

Well I'm an AoP guy and I have no problem helping people but if I know someones intention is to sell the arti they are claiming then forget it, I know people who could actually use it and I think it's such a shame that an arti that can be done in under 10 seconds ends up costing 20p+, I might have an animist but I don't farm on general principle and out of respect for my realm mates who don't have it so easy


I don't mind if people gather their m8's and everyone helps each other but I have a problem with helping people who only ever want to just help themselves, you're righ that the majority don't ever return the favour though

Bizzare I know but I actually have strong principles regarding camping and drops, never really got why people feel the need to steal and fight over loot, it will drop again if you just keep trying!

 

[Armonia]

nope, sorry i dont agree, call me greedy, call me lame, but i don't care.

If i spend time helping someone do an aritifact, then i want a chance at getting the ariti, im not the richest player in the world, so if i can make a little money i will.

And no im not an alb/pry wannabe, Hibs been my home for ages now ^^

Afaik, its been like this for awhile now, always will be....

That's fine imo, as long as you say BEFORE the arti drops, or even when the request for help is made. Then there's no argument imo, the person asking for help can always say no. Remember, some people just don't have the time or know enough ppl in game to even think about going for some of the more challenging artis so why shouldn't they be given the even chance of getting one from lotto. This doesn't make them greedy or selfish.

Btw, I've helped a few ppl with artis and NOT lotto'd. I'm always happy to help and can ususally be sure that when I need a favour I can cash it later. I've even had one where I've helped out, and when I'm about to leave the chr insisted I roll in the lotto with everyone else, even if it's just to sell it to the person after it in the begining!! (I rolled a 5 in 1000 tho )

 

[Spamb0t]

text.

couldnt agree more!
if i help someone do an arti ofcourse i dont expect to lotto for it.. it belong to the one who camped it!

 

[Ronso]

but if I know someones intention is to sell the arti they are claiming then forget , I might have an animist but I don't farm on general principle and out of respect for my realm mates who don't have it so easy

I see where your coming from but this is what normally happens .. I play in an internet cafe - I pay real life money to log on - and if I want two machines sometimes I gotta pay for both - my current template I think is just a bit over 200ps worth and there is a lot of stuff I have to buy rather than farm myself -- so there are times where I get up at 8 in the morning and meet the guys to go farm cash through scrolls and artifacts because lets face it - firebrands are gone and we dont get df too much so thats the only way we can make money and the same for everyone else bar /random 100 in an ml that gets zerged at the last minute by randoms eager for cash --

also I find that when I do camp an arti and it drops I get instant spam from people I know or have played with asking for it even though they didnt bother their arse to work for it themselves ..

now tbh - I dont usually have to ask realm mates for help as Ive been some what blessed with rl friends who havent let me down once and never see me short ( big thanks Brekahn / Prodical / Tinneth / Kelltic / Maks ) so my situation is a bit different but regardless I dont agree with you on not farming artifacts - if u NEED cash ..you have to farm ..if someone out there needs an arti for their template and they want it that bad they will get it ..

most of the time the 'less fortunate' are actually just lazy wasters that dont put in the effort or dont have a big enough friend database to get a hand and tbh theres no one to blame for that but themselves - ill still help them but u see where im coming from - just an opinion -

 

[Culanan]

I see where your coming from but this is what normally happens .. I play in an internet cafe - I pay real life money to log on - and if I want two machines sometimes I gotta pay for both - my current template I think is just a bit over 200ps worth and there is a lot of stuff I have to buy rather than farm myself -- so there are times where I get up at 8 in the morning and meet the guys to go farm cash through scrolls and artifacts because lets face it - firebrands are gone and we dont get df too much so thats the only way we can make money and the same for everyone else bar /random 100 in an ml that gets zerged at the last minute by randoms eager for cash --

also I find that when I do camp an arti and it drops I get instant spam from people I know or have played with asking for it even though they didnt bother their arse to work for it themselves ..

now tbh - I dont usually have to ask realm mates for help as Ive been some what blessed with rl friends who havent let me down once and never see me short ( big thanks Brekahn / Prodical / Tinneth / Kelltic / Maks ) so my situation is a bit different but regardless I dont agree with you on not farming artifacts - if u NEED cash ..you have to farm ..if someone out there needs an arti for their template and they want it that bad they will get it ..

most of the time the 'less fortunate' are actually just lazy wasters that dont put in the effort or dont have a big enough friend database to get a hand and tbh theres no one to blame for that but themselves - ill still help them but u see where im coming from - just an opinion -

I do agree with you that there is something to be said for selling artifacts, I just think it's a shame to lotto with the intention to sell when others actually need the artifact to complete a template, which imo is more valuable to the player and the realm than spending god knows how long farming to buy things you need

I'm lucky too, I'm in a guild that can do pretty much any arti encounter if the right people are online, I only need a few more artis (like 2) to complete 3 possible templates for 2 toons. It's the scrolls I really hate farming for since those usually end up taking longer than any artifact encounter

I'm rarely rich myself but where guild is concerned I'll not lotto for something I won't use and certainly not for something to sell, if I join random people on a ffa it's a bit different but even then I still feel it would be wrong for me to lotto for something I just ended up selling, nerf personal ethics

 

[Eelai]

most of the time the 'less fortunate' are actually just lazy wasters that dont put in the effort or dont have a big enough friend database to get a hand and tbh theres no one to blame for that but themselves - ill still help them but u see where im coming from - just an opinion -

First of all, I understand this from your point of view (you pay twice for playing DAoC [subscription and online time]), BUT what if you are fairly new to this game? You enter a world with "mature" charactres, and just when you've done a hell of a job in getting your char 50 (which i can imagine will be hard being solo alot of times), you have to get some artifacts. Which cannot be soloed 90% of the time.

To each his own, but my main issue is that people need to be clear about their own motives when helping. Say in advance if you want to lotto. Eventually it's the same guy you help, that can help you back and enjoy the game more with his new gear.

alot of people are leaving this game allready... don't let the new players run away just as fast for entering a greed-filled game.

just my opinion as well

 

[Eemma]

I myself help without lotto'ing, but what I dont get is
why whine about it?? Sure we are realm mates but that doesnt
make us one big buch of family, I think that's why guild have been created.
You cant expect everyone to love you. Stop the whine!

Always gonna be as many retards as there are nice chaps.

 

[Culanan]

I myself help without lotto'ing, but what I dont get is
why whine about it?? Sure we are realm mates but that doesnt
make us one big buch of family, I think that's why guild have been created.
You cant expect everyone to love you. Stop the whine!

Always gonna be as many retards as there are nice chaps.

While it's true there are always greedy inane idiots running around in just about any game I don't think rushing to beat the retards to the pull is any less retarded.

I do get on with most people outside my guild, sure there are lots of idiots but I personally believe that being positive about your realm tends to sideline the idiots rather than marginalise people into their clans where it's them vs everyone else.

 

[Eemma]

While it's true there are always greedy inane idiots running around in just about any game I don't think rushing to beat the retards to the pull is any less retarded.

well, If you were the one rushing to beat the retards then you wouldnt think yourself as a retard but the others are retards
and its the opposite with the retards cuz they will see you as a retard and not them self as a retard(heh hope u understand)

I do get on with most people outside my guild, sure there are lots of idiots but I personally believe that being positive about your realm tends to sideline the idiots rather than marginalise people into their clans where it's them vs everyone else.

them vs everyone else?
im just trying to say that, im sure there are people from your guild
that would like to help you out with something without asking for something,
like helping with an arti enocunter.

you can simply not expect to ask a realm mates to help out, without them asking to lotto too. (it would only be fair that they lotto if they want to)
I mean mostly its the people you know you ask to help and not just some random guy you dont know. am I right?

 

[Vodkafairy]

well theres still loads of people who help, just not everyone does.. can't force them

 

[Nichii]

it belong to the one who camped it!

anyone but me i bet met Hestine or Coraz ingame?? irl asshole with eye's atatched to it with little string's...

that n00b had access to 2-4 animist's from AoP and some unguilded and he had fop himself... i bet other ppl but me know's him, he marched in twice when i was camping gov and said hah, when it pop's ill pull it first... an u been up like all night... nerf x<

*Edit* i dont mind helping people either, and if it's something i need i ask if i can lotto, if not, oh well, gifv mighty rog dropz =)

 

[Vodkafairy]

coraz actually gave me a gov for free once so i could trade it for a zahurs bracer which i needed really bad, and i didn't even know him at all

 

[Gravediggah]

Subject slipped some but anyways ofc i can understand if you want to have a chance on the arti now if you do pay for internet or sutch, But some dont state this until mob is dead...

Some also stated we not rl friends just in same realm "Sad attitude" Perhaps i dont know you in RL, however let me refrase it like this we in the poor realm that when you /who shows 300-350 ppl.

I think that is a big reason why we should help,both Pve,rvr or whatever the reason now can be, We are not albs who has 1k ppl on the server, We do not have grp purge anymore, a few fixed grps who kicked hard a$$ is gone,New come like the refreshed Vengance guild but they as i said before 10% of what old vengance was.

So perhaps im not your RL brother but im damn ur daoc/hib/excal brother and if wanted we will rip there arses apart with united front.

 

[Lorra]

lol then dont help? and whats its been like this for awhile now, always will be?

I toa'd 3 chars always got help never had any problems,I really hope you aint toa'd so you can ask ppl too for help and they say they will help you get it and when you done they will "We gona lotto now HAHAHAHAH"

But hey thats ok perhaps they count daoc in plats aswell

And sence many camp there artis i hope you have camped this arti for uhm atleast 8 hours and then those 8 hours will be for nothing lmao!!

Anyways whats ur ingame name so i can avoid it if now ever would need help again with something

well, my ingame name is Lorra (sorry i am toa'd ish) and i help loads of plp, i can SS my /quest if u want - got shit loads of encounters, but i dont seem to have the aritis wonder why I've helped loads of plp get aritis, and most of the time i do not /random..

But, when you help people and then never get the favour returned it gets on ur tits abit...

i stick to what i say, if i join a random grp because i was asked and its an aritifact that i need / want then im gona /random for it... Simple

 

[Culanan]

anyone but me i bet met Hestine or Coraz ingame?? irl asshole with eye's atatched to it with little string's...

that n00b had access to 2-4 animist's from AoP and some unguilded and he had fop himself... i bet other ppl but me know's him, he marched in twice when i was camping gov and said hah, when it pop's ill pull it first... an u been up like all night... nerf x<

*Edit* i dont mind helping people either, and if it's something i need i ask if i can lotto, if not, oh well, gifv mighty rog dropz =)

Afaik only people in AoP have access to that many animists, unless ofc they are friends ingame, I personally helped a lot of people get GoV (hest being one of them but he offered me 6p, which I refused) and I only roll when the stituation permits, I do need one but I am patient enough.

If members from AoP are being abusive or unfriendly I generally get to hear about it and I always deal with it, depending on how the situation evolved in the first place.

As others have said, everyone should state their motives so there is no misunderstanding.

 

[Culanan]

well, If you were the one rushing to beat the retards then you wouldnt think yourself as a retard but the others are retards
and its the opposite with the retards cuz they will see you as a retard and not them self as a retard(heh hope u understand)



them vs everyone else?
im just trying to say that, im sure there are people from your guild
that would like to help you out with something without asking for something,
like helping with an arti enocunter.

you can simply not expect to ask a realm mates to help out, without them asking to lotto too. (it would only be fair that they lotto if they want to)
I mean mostly its the people you know you ask to help and not just some random guy you dont know. am I right?

I understand what you are saying but I'm a pretty relaxed player, I'm more willing to co-operate and discuss than some people (possibly less than others, dunno tho ) but it is about communication, people seem to assume the worst, act accordingly and make a situation worse.

No, I can't expect realm mates to help out, as you say, I have to ask them

Which is a bit of an odd sentence when you look at it
If people say no to helping, fine, I don't judge anyone, if people setting the encounter up say no lotto, fine, I don't hold a grudge, it's up to me to make a decision and one that isn't just about getting what I want.
Others may prefer to do it the opposite way and that's their choice, I know to avoid some people in future because their actions were in most mature peoples eyes, ill considered, childish and rude.

 

[Brack]

Fucking albs zerging us from the inside - Fg of albs on cs

made me laugh xD

 

[Gravediggah]

well, my ingame name is Lorra (sorry i am toa'd ish) and i help loads of plp, i can SS my /quest if u want - got shit loads of encounters, but i dont seem to have the aritis wonder why I've helped loads of plp get aritis, and most of the time i do not /random..

But, when you help people and then never get the favour returned it gets on ur tits abit...

i stick to what i say, if i join a random grp because i was asked and its an aritifact that i need / want then im gona /random for it... Simple

Do you understand what i was saying?

Quote "
got shit loads of encounters, but i dont seem to have the aritis wonder why"

So you helped ppl without roll for the arti,And i dident say "you" would join a random group,Also the "ask" does not mean come help me so you can roll.

If you want to roll you can ASK when they ask you if you can help them thats so hard?

2nd they dident say they wanted to roll,"Until he was dead" guy had to random for it VS a grp winner was a guy who already had CS...Thats nice....

And speaking of helping ppl and never gets the help returned,How do you think i get ppl to help me? I can tell you its sure as hell not from stabbing with a we gona roll now..So the guy who has GoV can get another gov for hes CM friend. I can sence the alb veins in u :kissit:

Perhaps not hib is so tight after all, Starting to understand why we cant get jack done lol, the solo musketeer one for me and only for me..My new motto i guess.

 

[Ronso]

So perhaps im not your RL brother but im damn ur daoc/hib/excal brother and if wanted we will rip there arses apart with united front.

I wub him will be a sad day if he ever leaves for wow

 

[Lorra]

Do you understand what i was saying?

maybe because you type with the reading age of a 10 year old.

Anyway, when i need help / forming a grp to do an ariti for me i always let other plp roll, or there would be no point in them going..

 

[Ronso]

Lorra your point of views seem solid but you deliver it too harsh ...lighten up some --

 

[Dances With NOobs]

an arti is like a raid. Make sure you know the rules before hand.

Many a time i have camped an arti i needed and asked for help, but stipulated help=credit arti=mine never had any problems when the encounter was done.

Other times i have led arti raids (many arti's) and all are /random'd. Again every one happy ;-)

And last but not least if you ask help, ill ask if u need the arti or just credit , 99% of the time ill help anyway (never hurts to ask).

just my 2 cents worth....

 

[Cyviel]

if someone helps me do an arty i always ask if they wanna lotto first, not that i mind since credit is the hard part to get, the arties can be bought in time and patience... ive helped tons of people do stuff for free, usually when im bored ill help anyone with anything.. farmed ML2.10 solo lots of times with people sat in the corner with my cabby.. and never once took a key or RoG... only one time i got a SoD for free cos he wanted to thank me.. still some people only see cash/items in games, like the whiners who complain that GOA never give items out at the events they run.. omg ffs its meant to be fun not for personal gain.

 

[Dafft]

who you gonna call???

Alb-busters!!!