WTA Astral Blade of Illusions (Alb)

[Righthandof]

Shame this isn't excal.

weak point, been to more excal ml10 raids than prydwen ones, but nvm.. what matters in THIS topic is that the current highest bid got up to 55p.
1 day left to bid.

 

[UndyingAngel]

well. just remmeber that fact that you are prolly not welcome to any of bubbles ML10 raids in teh future.. with your attatude .. and lack of care I wouldnt want you on any of my raids but thats me.

 

[Righthandof]

would you mind stop crying after 24 hrs+ like a little girl who lost her doll?

bid or get out of my topic thanks ;p

 

[Vladamir]

Rigante skills strike again!

Haha

And no this isn't anything against The Rigante at all, i was the first to hear this phrase!

 

[Golena]

Shame this isn't excal.

Last I checked we were clustered tho! Or is this more minless excal bashing, is now the point where I should start throwing back that 80% of the idiots on my last ML rush were from prydwen? Of course it isn't, just because you clicked on the same server as someone else says nothing about you.

I'm simply trying to point out that if you don't post rules to a raid, then flame people and start banning them from raids for not following the rules you didn't post. All we are doing is making sure the next 6 months are going to be spent flaming and arguing with each other. I'm aware that although I quoted bubble, he's not the person actively doing the flaming.
While that gives me some amusing crap to read while at work, as an outsider that that wasn't there, the guy selling the item is coming across as alot more mature and less of an asshole than most of the people flaming him.

Why exactly should he "care" that he came and followed the rules specified for a raid? If you want to have secret rules that arn't posted, and feel free to flame people over them, make private raids!

 

[Bubble]

I'll Quote you now.

as an outsider that that wasn't there

Correct, you weren't there, and have never attended one of my raids before, while the thread starter, IS a prydwen player, has attended MENY of my raids before and is in a great guild that have raided with me for the last 3 years under the same rules.

I'll quote myself from the original ML10 signs on Prydwen.co.uk

This is the information thread about the public ML10 raids that we run every friday.

The raids will gather at volcanus haven @6:30 UK time, we will splitup and search for the portal then(and its then i Will take the Mod list).

You have to be ML9 to enter the ML10 Portal.
This raid is open to anyone who wishs to attend, ofc Theurgists and Necromancers are more than welcome(as are all PvE friendly class's)

Loot Rules.
Since we are running weekly raids i'd like to impliment a modifer system into this, our rolling format will be /random 1000, only 1 item per person. Stars of Destiny will be lottoed afterwards and will not count towards mods etc.
I want the items on these raids used by people and not on CM's, so basicly your be rolling for either the class you turn or the Class you wish to roll for.
EDIT- ALSO PUT YOUR SPEC, I'LL NOT HAVE PEOPLE TAKING WEAPONS THEY WILL NOT USE.

I'll be recording the mod points on this forum, if your bring 2 different characters PLEASE tell me what character your alt is, if your running 2 accounts you will not gain mod points for both.

Mod point details.
if you attend the raid and don't win a ML10 item, you will gain a +50 mod. If you find the ML10 portal, you gain a +100 Modifer for that raid only.


Please signup the Class you wish to roll for if it ISN'T the class you wish to bring.

Take from http://www.prydwen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=170

Yes, i didn't put this information on the signup page, which is why i'm not putting mega pressure on his guild and am instead appologing to the people who attend my raids weekly in the hope of getting drops like this to finish there characters templates.
While i would normaly make up for my own mistakes by replacing the item that he took and relottoing it fairly, i'm afraid i don't have a vast ammount of ML10 items.

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

Reading this topic makes classic server looks better and better for me. I have an ML10 infil vest which prolly not fit in my template and asked Bubble that could I sell it, because it wasn't in the rules. He told me not to sell, maybe trade it to another ML10 item, so it is in my vault now waiting to be either fit in a template or trade it on an ML10 raid.

I think ppl would have to act like a realm, not a bunch of greedy individuals. But that's just a dream.

See ya on classic.

 

[Righthandof]

you weren't there, and have never attended one of my raids before, while the thread starter, IS a prydwen player, has attended MENY of my raids before

this isnt 100% true. yea ive been a prydwen player, and perhaps raided with you many times.(although I cant really remember who you are, you're just 1 of the raid leaders, and rich in game, thats all)..
and i swear i havent heard about your rules before yesterday.. and hey, guess what, I've sold once a ring I got from ml3.. i believe thats against your rules. or isnt it? dunno tbh, but i think it isnt. so we can't say you have a rule that you keep on ALL of your raids... this rule only apply to your ml10 raids, no? on ml10 ive only been on once with you, and 2 times with some excal people.. so that "attended MENY of my raids before" is misleading.

 

[Bubble]

On excal 80% of ML10 participants are after stuff to flog for cash, without them ML10 raids would probably fail.

As for the mindless excal bashing, sure take it anyway you like.
I do think its sad people rolling for items they just want to sell, but as said, if its not against the rules theres nothing stopping you.

 

[Bubble]

this isnt 100% true. yea ive been a prydwen player, and perhaps raided with you many times.(although I cant really remember who you are, you're just 1 of the raid leaders, and rich in game, thats all)..
and i swear i havent heard about your rules before yesterday.. and hey, guess what, I've sold once a ring I got from ml3.. i believe thats against your rules. or isnt it? dunno tbh, but i think it isnt. so we can't say you have a rule that you keep on ALL of your raids... this rule only apply to your ml10 raids, no? on ml10 ive only been on once with you, and 2 times with some excal people.. so that "attended MENY of my raids before" is misleading.

You also attened DR's and Arty raids if i remember. But what the hell, as said i didn't put anything on the post so feel free to sell it.

 

[Dorimor1]

Less hostility people.

Rigante are a nice guild and I don't see anything wrong with selling an item you win so you can get a different item you want, isn't that and keeping the item (lets say you needed it) you won, the same thing?

I can understand Bubble's frustration but theres no need to get so angry over it, you may think that it could have gone to someone who needed it, but it will in the end wont it?

PS - sorry for the repetative usage of the word 'it'

 

[Corran]

guess what, not every1 is so addicted to spend 98% of their real life in daoc, and know how every other ppl live and think in the game.

Guess what, nor do I.

I have a good enough life outside daoc considering i live with my partner etc i cant live on the game. Hell i had to apologise 2 weeks in a row for not attending ml10 raid with bubbles as im his regular necro that comes to make sure that it succeeds. I dont particularly need anything but there a couple items im after so i can change template i use for the better and also because i know people who needs stuff and i want to help them.

Just Bubble has run a ton of raids and the underlying point of ALL CLASS SPECIFIC ROLLS, is that people roll for the class they need item for. As i said why would someone restrict it to class if you could then go and sell it? Where is the sense in stopping others to do it if the point is to prevent people rolling for sake of it? Would like to see your response to this but i really cant see any arguement that can put sense into placing lotto restrictions on something that can be sold.

And golena, I am not insulting the guy. Merely stated im not surprised he would do it. Heard alot of things about this guys attitude that gives a bad impression and i cant say i can argue much with what i hear. But i dont have a need to flame him for it. All i said is it lacks common sense to not think "Hmm, lotto can only be for class that can use it. Guess that means you roll if you need the item only and not run and sell it 3 seconds after winning lotto"

And as bubble pointed out the original information thread (the one that states the rules that been in place since 15th July 2005, 07:30 PM ) shows it. As bubble says it his mistake assuming everyone knows this, both our mistakes for assuming people would use common sense, and somethign that will be rectified. Excal player or pryd player should just take this as warning that the rule is in place and will remain so. Breaking of the rules will make you ineligable to roll for loot. If bubble forgets in future i will make sure i post that you cant sell and try to remember to link it to the original unchanged rules that been in place for many months (hence why you assume people going on raids know about them as had no problems before now)

 

[Righthandof]

had no problems before now

or they just sold it 2 weeks later anon?

 

[UndyingAngel]

or they just sold it 2 weeks later anon?

 

[Golena]

I do think its sad people rolling for items they just want to sell

I'll put it from my point of view. And i'm not trying to put you down for yours so please don't take it like that.

As an example: If I want an ML10 item, I have a choice I can either attend ML10 raids until it drops and I get lucky and win the lotto against everyone else there, or I can go get drops/cash in a way I find more fun than ML10 raids. The people who can't attend the ML10 raids for whatever reason are probably very happy that some people roll for stuff that they can't use as it gives them other options for obtaining the item.
Every time I do a task instance I get X amount of cash. Now there's no way i'm going to use all this up restoring con or buying horse tickets. If no-one ever traded anything, I assume I shouldn't waste my time picking it up?

I think dorimor put it perfectly. While the person rolling for it didn't need it, it's going to end up in the hands of someone who does need it. People go to ML9 and farm drops purely for the intentions of selling them. I don't think that this is "sad" in any way as it gives a way for people who can't kill those mobs themselves an opportunity to get them. The same way this might give someone who doesn't have access to ML10 the chance to get a needed ML10 item, and the guy selling it something in return that he does need.

Common sense might also dictate that Righthandof needed an item that was on the CM's for 40p (for example). He might also know that the sword was worth 40p+ so a sensible way of getting that 40p was to go to an ML10 raid and try to win it, since farming 40p worth of gold from mob drops would take forever. While he didn't need the sword for his character, he needed it as a trade barganing tool, and I could argue that in that case he needed it every bit as much as the guy who wanted to weild it on his level 40 paladin. The wonderful thing about logic is that it can normally always be used to make any point you wish to make.

As a side note I attended one of Bubbles artifact raids, the lotto was anything but class specific, in fact everyone rolled for everything. As such people attending only those events before might well not realise that selling the drops was not allowed. If you wern't excal bashing in your post then I might of misinterpreted it, but I have seen alot of prydwen players flaming excal players for having a different view of how things work and it does eventually get annoying. For instance I got flamed by one bloke because I didn't wait for his scout to get to an artifact before killing it. The guy in question had ofc been camping it with a level 35 cleric (who I invited for credit) and had failed to get his scout even logged into the game 20 minutes after the artifact in question had popped, and 10 minutes after shouting at me to wait for him.

A mistake was made in that the raid rules appear not to have been clearly specified to all concerned at the beginning. It's a pity that this couldn't have been resolved without people with one set of views trying to make out that they are some how superior to those with the other set of views however, and that's how your coming across. Tbh i'm still not entirely clear on the rules, one guy said he wasn't allowed to sell his drop but could try to trade it for another ml10 item. Could he also try and trade it for a non-ml10 item, and how would this actually be different to selling it?

 

[Bubble]

Do you see both sides of the coin or are you blind? (this isn't an insult, i hope you realise theres 2 sides, if you don't then ignorance will end this discussion)

As a side note I attended one of Bubbles artifact raids

You attened a FFA raid i ran to get my Infiltrator artifact credit on 90% of the artys around, i had already spent a vast ammount of money buying everything i needed
Read up on my regular 2fg raids for more of an example.

 

[Golena]

Do you see both sides of the coin or are you blind? (this isn't an insult, i hope you realise theres 2 sides, if you don't then ignorance will end this discussion)

You attened a FFA raid i ran to get my Infiltrator artifact credit on 90% of the artys around, i had already spent a vast ammount of money buying everything i needed
Read up on my regular 2fg raids for more of an example.

I do realise there are 2 sides to the coin, don't worry. I also saw that most of the stones were being thrown from one side, so i'm trying to defend the other

My point was that since I for example attended a free for all raid with you, I might not expect the ML10 raid in question to be different to that. That same principle might also apply to other people. My problem isn't with running FFA raids or class specific raids in general (as there are people who prefer both methods, and as such I see no problem with people hosting either type of raid), more about the attitude of people to someone who appeared to be unaware he had done anything wrong, and hadn't broken any rules posted on your thread.

An an excal player i'm also concerned that if this attitude is common place in Pryd that maybe I should refrain from participating in any pryd run raids as I don't know the personal histories (and as such any unwritten rules as such) of the raid leaders. Excal and Pryd appear to have differing views regarding certain styles raids should take and I think as such either rules need to be written more clearly, or people need to have less intolerances towards misunderstandings or this kind of post is going to occur every week.
All that does is gets one half of alb not talking to the other half, which is hardly constructive when the mids/hibs decide to go take our relics.

It's also easy to view people trying to sell items for cash as greedy when you have plenty of cash yourself as it appears you do. This isn't meant as any kind of insult also, just that it's often easy to forget that for some people, winning an item they can sell for 40p is the only way they have of completing their template, and as such calling them greedy idiots isn't entirely accurate or fair.

 

[Bubble]

It's also easy to view people trying to sell items for cash as greedy when you have plenty of cash yourself as it appears you do. This isn't meant as any kind of insult also, just that it's often easy to forget that for some people, winning an item they can sell for 40p is the only way they have of completing their template, and as such calling them greedy idiots isn't entirely accurate or fair.

You know less about me than Roope does. So i'd advise again judging on appearences.

Excalibur players attending the raid and then selling the item i'm sure would have got the same reply, but after explaining that there was nothing on the thread about it and they didn't know better it would have quickly died down.
Roope didn't help himself with his replys
Calling him an Idiot is fair tbh and not because of this Well i suppose it doesn't really matter, i guess he'll not turn up on any future raids so theres no point me defend/attacking him here.

 

[Golena]

you have plenty of cash yourself as it appears you do.

You know less about me than Roope does. So i'd advise again judging on appearences.

I was basing this solely on the following statment..

i had already spent a vast ammount of money buying everything i needed

I could of course be wrong, but it doesn't appear that your stone broke

Besides, no-one else is posting anything worth reading, so I might as well make up some facts, add some interesting sounding fiction around them, then refuse to accept that it isn't true, since it's way more fun than just sticking +1 at the end of every post

 

[Illtar]

Hmm first of all, with no rules in place to state otherwise, i think its completely fair that he wants to sell the item.

Secondly Righthandof is making a comeplete jackass of himself with his moronic replies, and i i guess thats was ticks of people, and that why he shouldnt be let on any raids anymore, imo.

 

[Righthandof]

if it seemed like that, well it has a reason. ive asked 6 times to stop spamming my thread, and create another one if you want..(with rules, legality, unwritten rules etc) but no i still got tons of spammage. ive asked politely, nothing. ive asked kindely, nothing. ive asked confident, nothing. i cba to say vulgaric words for it, but thats how i feel.

 

[Bubble]

I could of course be wrong, but it doesn't appear that your stone broke

Besides, no-one else is posting anything worth reading, so I might as well make up some facts, add some interesting sounding fiction around them, then refuse to accept that it isn't true, since it's way more fun than just sticking +1 at the end of every post

I have a dad who has Whims of what character he wants to ToA, which means i'm perma broke now that i don't run the Dragonraids anymore

 

[Bubble]

if it seemed like that, well it has a reason. ive asked 6 times to stop spamming my thread, and create another one if you want..(with rules, legality, unwritten rules etc) but no i still got tons of spammage. ive asked politely, nothing. ive asked kindely, nothing. ive asked confident, nothing. i cba to say vulgaric words for it, but thats how i feel.

I don't think most people who attended the raid give a flying fuck how you feel tbh
(at least this Negative Publicity is keeping your thread bumped eh?)

 

[Righthandof]

I don't think most people who attended the raid give a flying fuck how you feel tbh
(at least this Negative Publicity is keeping your thread bumped eh?)

i dont need this negative publicity to keep it bumped, bud.

Indeed, got an offer today morning with 60p, if anybody would like to offer more, please do it in less than 6 hours, as auction ends tonight at 20:00 gmt.
good luck.

oh and btw we had fun with that sword yesterday and its proc is really nice. it summons a glowing/flying sword which sticks on the target and tries to kill... it kept hitting my full buffed rr4 armsman friend for 60-90, and cant be sprinted out.. 2-3 procs and the situation gets pretty warm there hehe. oh and totally interrupts, we tried what happens if i get a proc like that on my back and than tried casting my af buff.. didnt manage to cast for half min, until the effect expired

 

[bigchief]

i dont need this negative publicity to keep it bumped, bud.

Indeed, got an offer today morning with 60p, if anybody would like to offer more, please do it in less than 6 hours, as auction ends tonight at 20:00 gmt.
good luck.

oh and btw we had fun with that sword yesterday and its proc is really nice. it summons a glowing/flying sword which sticks on the target and tries to kill... it kept hitting my full buffed rr4 armsman friend for 60-90, and cant be sprinted out.. 2-3 procs and the situation gets pretty warm there hehe. oh and totally interrupts, we tried what happens if i get a proc like that on my back and than tried casting my af buff.. didnt manage to cast for half min, until the effect expired

so you rolled for something you're going to sell when you don't really even know what it is in the 1st place. It just gets worse doesn't it

As anomander (iirc) put it on irc

"fs ml10 slasher dropped and a fking pala won :E"

 

[Righthandof]

so you rolled for something you're going to sell when you don't really even know what it is in the 1st place.

not really, I had the stats(even the stat of proc) from allakhazam and various FH topics.. but this is the first time I could test it from first hand, and I havent found any details how big it hits to a full buffed rr4 armsman for example, or does it always interrupt or just have a chance to do.. thought i'd share

 

[Righthandof]

oh and current highest bid is 65p!

Feel free to bid, auction still lasts for 5 more hours.(until 20:00 gmt)

 

[Golena]

I don't think most people who attended the raid give a flying fuck how you feel tbh

Yet you expect people to care about how you feel, and not sell the drops?

Sorry, life just doesn't work like that!

 

[Martok]

Yet you expect people to care about how you feel, and not sell the drops?

Sorry, life just doesn't work like that!

Sorry but it does.. if hes leading the raid and people attend to roll on toons Class specific then tbh this shit happens realy does piss people off.

 

[trycorn]

Yet you expect people to care about how you feel, and not sell the drops?

Sorry, life just doesn't work like that!

u working on a sunday, or just rly bored ingame ?