Would Like a Mid's opinion

[- Fedaykin -]

Say you are running a nice gank group and you meet a full group of albions, what is the order albions should start to ake you down? or put it this way if you yourselves was an alb how would you go about defeating a mid tank group swiftly?


thoughtful replies appreciated and would like you to back up your choices with reasoned arguments

 

[herjulf]

well asnwer is pretty apparent, CC, main target healer, stun and take out, then pick off ppl that move /assist.

Disease healer, disease ppl you have targeted.

The very first target must always be healers, which most non very skilled rvr grp dont do.

Ive seen healers/clerics etc, stand behind the grp and heal without danger for himself countless times, that grp will always win.

Also go for same targets, have a slam"bot" guarding healers/Caster.

well thats my few words of threachery.

 

[Kallio]

Hmm... I would also have a piece of advice that would be very useful for you, but like I would tell you it

 

[zmurf]

Mend, Mend, Pac, Shaman, skald, dmg, dmg, guard
In that order, ofc thx to PR it will probably be more like
Mend, Mend, Mend, Mend, Mend, pac, shaman and so on and so fourth ...

Many say shaman is good to take down cause end is now conc based, and this is very true, BUT, if u hit shaman that equals 2 mend healers and a pac healer is free to heal him which means u will never ever get him down ... If u really hate end that much, go, mend, mend, sham, pac insted of the first mentioned ... someone mentioned disease earlier, and as a 'perfect' alb group don't contain any disease caster, and mid group's does, make sure to cure disease as much as possible (ventrilo4tehwin!) ...

my 2 cent

 

[old.anubis]

y, mend healers first, then again them, then whatever you like

 

[Whoodoo_RD]

Best order, CC and run away hehe.

Mend - buff - caster - tank

Asssuming you get in with a good AECC starting, and maybe a backup one too like root to combat the purgers.

 

[np-insane]

You should go for warriors first, then savage/zerker

 

[scrow2]

depends...if healers are mezzed and dont purge you go for the light tanks...they die very quick if you assist(without heals that is).

think this works also...never tried it.

if you have bof up...use bof and assist on the ma of the mids...(if you can find it ofc ) else on a random savage or zerk.

should be able to take him down before bof runs out....continue with others, healer should have low power now

 

[jakobi]

My suggestion would be the dmg dealers too, since Mid grps has their dmg concentrated on a few classes, it really hurts a grp as soon as you get one of them down.

With a good assist you can have atleast one dmg dealer down before the CC comes out of the mezz.

(I've been running into Outlaw's caster grp a few times where they did that, which works well. It does require both skill and luck from the sorc's side though)

 

[scrow2]

I wouldnt use a sorc in a alb-tank group...unless its a very skilled one, who knows when to run and not to try to get that last mezz in when 3 tanks are charging him...

or when I use my taunt shout on the sorc...sorc qc mezz...only to see that his pet allready hit me for 60 damage

 

[zmurf]

what's all this about hitting tanks ? jeez, if u hit a tank a tank can hit back, a tank got 360 degree evade (talking savage, as it is fotm) evade boost, uber melee resist and 3 healer's spamming heals + a shaman probably ... if u hit a support, ull either force moc, which is on 30 min timer, and far form all healers got it, or interrupt the guy ...

 

[Subbiz]

shaman first if u get the jump, with some luck and good assist, the menders wont have time to purge and target the shaman before he's dead. if u get jumped, take down menders first, dont care too much about the CC healer at this point, since u already got a min mez immunity.

if u get jumped, I'd say the mincer should spot and keep both menders interrupted while u kill shaman, that should not be a big issue for a nice hybrid like mincer. if the mend(ers) MoC, its getting tough, but I'd suggest this is where you save BoF and maybe SoS, if well used, you will win even if all the mid casters moc. with bof on, u wont take any damage really, and with sos on ur supporters can kite very easely.. using bof and/or sos at the right time is what makes alb gank grps insanely tuff.

so basicly, imo, shaman first, atleast if u got mez immunity timer up.. if u get the jump, it might be wise to get pac healer first to avoid purge+instamezz, that should all be up to the MA to decide.

after pac and/or shaman is down, take both menders, watch out for a PR from any of the healer on the shaman.. if shaman gets PR, make sure to kill him after current kill job.

 

[Jerelyn]

Kill me and i will take revenge

-Jerelyn

 

[Tasans]

Kill tanks first imo, then healers wont have anything to do.

 

[Vell]

May as well take the Thanes down first. Only need one or two hits on them, and they go down, the healers don't have time to react before the Thane is lying face down.


Oh, Hi Tas

 

[Aoami]

sit down and let the mids kill you imo

 

[Kallio]

you dont have time for those 2 hits since the thane has mjollnered you to death before you reach him

 

[Vell]

No, I think that was in your dreams, Kallio.

 

[Gregstah]

y0 Fed

Been playing on Mid/exc for about 2 month now.. and i've been playing with alot of skilled ppl..

I can tell u a secret how to defeat Mids as easy as possible...

First u Mezz (thats what u are good at )
Then u take out Shammy allways shammy first..
Meanwhile u are attacked by some mids who is trying to kick ur arse.. make pallys slam/stun/kill
then u go for one healer and the skald if u can see wich one is the skald..

then u pwn the entire grp becouse with no end regain mids cant do shit.. and make sure that ur pally is alive and at least one healer.. as simple as that

GL HF out here Fed hope to meet u again soon

 

[dandy]

..don't hit Thanes

they are like a free group purge! Admittly the pretty hammer hurts a bit, but its worth it!

 

[schinkaar]

if you want to be able to beat a savage group you shouldnt go for menders first, hit the pac first as soon as any support is going down 1 or 2 menders will purge, insta and cast cure mezz on the other one, if you have a really good minstrel he might be able to take care of this. DONT start with the shammie, this is the worst support class to take out a savage group wont be hurt in anyway if you take out the shammie, and if you wanna win you have to take interrupt adn kill newly ressed targets ASAP. the toughest FG vs FG fight ive ever had was BF with one merc on healer1, minstrel on healer 2 and ass team on pac. We used everything to win this fight (so did they 2x BoF+SoS, dunno about SB tho) and it was very close that we lost. dont ever ever ever have the paly guard vs a savage group, and always brake mezz with slam, otherwise save the stun immunity for moc. And also make sure the clerics use thei mocs to ress+SH, SoS+MoC gives the best ress chances you will ever get, if you dont ress as fast as you can you will loose. with everything up 1 FG albs can kill a savage grp that has everything up, but they have to use everything. 1 bof or 1 sos isnt enuff by a longshot also alb groups never spread out on inc (dunno about mid groups but usually aug/mend brakes L/R and cures pac, or is in #cf). Dont go for savages, sure its nice if you get them down but its not cost effective even if you do. and if you ever wanna be able to win vs savage groups you really have to start realizing that its 3 healers+shammie that is the real problem, not the savages. im sure someone else can offer better advice on how to kill other setups but this is the best way to kill 3 savs 1 skald 1 shammie 3 healers afaik.

 

[grimster]

Originally posted by - Fedaykin -
Say you are running a nice gank group and you meet a full group of albions, what is the order albions should start to ake you down? or put it this way if you yourselves was an alb how would you go about defeating a mid tank group swiftly?


thoughtful replies appreciated and would like you to back up your choices with reasoned arguments

I take down Remi first...then I solo Elajt...then if wittor hasnt ran away I go for him, then I look for aussie on a hill and solo him.

then i look for some cloth dudes

 

[Aussie-]

Re: Re: Would Like a Mid's opinion

Originally posted by grimster
I take down Remi first...then I solo Elajt...then if wittor hasnt ran away I go for him, then I look for aussie on a hill and solo him.

then i look for some cloth dudes

xD

duel plz /taunt

 

[witte-]

Re: Re: Would Like a Mid's opinion

Originally posted by grimster
I take down Remi first...then I solo Elajt...then if wittor hasnt ran away I go for him, then I look for aussie on a hill and solo him.

then i look for some cloth dudes

 

[Aussie-]

uhm ye to answer the question, shamy without a doubt.

byebye end/desease/buffs/"CC" ~~

 

[froler-mid]

Re: Re: Would Like a Mid's opinion

Originally posted by grimster
I take down Remi first...then I solo Elajt...then if wittor hasnt ran away I go for him, then I look for aussie on a hill and solo him.

then i look for some cloth dudes

lols, i can gank u with my lefthand only, a lvl10 dropped weapon.

 

[Appollo]

^^

 

[Appollo]

Re: Re: Re: Would Like a Mid's opinion

Originally posted by froler-mid
lols, i can gank u with my lefthand only, a lvl10 dropped weapon.

think u missing the point Remi....

 

[Rhuric]

Originally posted by Aussie-


byebye end/desease/buffs/"CC" ~~

Lol, well right, disease goes away, and rooting, but savages have self end and most buffs are coming from BBs, only baseline in group, and that doesnt come from the shammie

 

[schinkaar]

taking down then shammie is the hardest support and wont drop buffs, disaese you alrdy got on you tanks and your support wont live/die depending on disease.