Would a 2H Zerker be Viable ?

[Kharok Svark]

Looking towards 1.62 where LA damage is reduced but Parry is fixed.

How would 50 Axe, 50 Parry go with a 2H Axe ?

It would at least make Tundra viable ?

Discuss or Flame away, free world and all ...

 

[Tasans]

Ok so NOW we realised why they made tundra work like that...

 

[Flimgoblin]

it's as good a RA as Void! rah

2h zerker could be good - similar damage to a warrior, no shield slam though - but you do get frenzy and charge, 50% damage (on average) bonus every 7m is quite handy

 

[rynnor]

Wait n see how it turns out yet - if you lose 20% damage from left axe it will still be a viable spec - and who knows - maybe in 1.64 there will be a carrot for Zerkers in the Mid patch

 

[klavrynd]

only viable spec for zerk post 1.62 = delete y-e-s

 

[succi]

" omg ive been brought down to the same level as bm's and merc's MUST DELETE !! "

 

[klavrynd]

says the man from the overpowered realm....


omg we've got one sub-par class, lets get mid's better equivalent down to our level!!!

 

[Gekul]

Might as well make a warrior imo.

 

[old.tuppe]

well, berserker is only laxe.
there isnt any bow, speccable shield, medium shield, flurry what other light tanks have.
and dmg reduce is closer 50% not 20% what someone mentioned.
and laxe still eat end like hog, wanna see how hard is lvl bers solo up, when probably only change is killing blue mob, because cannot traine defense at all!

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by old.tuppe
and dmg reduce is closer 50% not 20% what someone mentioned.

ehm seeing as it is a 35% reduction it is EXACTLY as far away from 50% as it is from 20%

 

[Tobold]

LA wasn't made unfairly bad, it was made equel to Celtic Dual and Dual Wield...

imo if you want to reroll cause of that you should roll a caster, only casters should be able to pull that ammount of damage off

 

[osrim]

Lets see how bad it is at end.

Originally posted by succi
" omg ive been brought down to the same level as bm's and merc's MUST DELETE !! "

From around top to bottom is feeling atm when looking damage logs and comparing light tanks abilitys.

Well, kinda sad cause I would have gladly seen bm's merc's damage upgraded so light tanks would have been hard hitters with lighter armors than "main" tanks.

Zerkers just dont stand chance against other light tanks atleast so it seems if all have their abilitys up.

Lets see how "alternate" specs work then...if not then I just quit playing my zerker prolly and go play that "unnerfed" arms then.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Addlcove
ehm seeing as it is a 35% reduction it is EXACTLY as far away from 50% as it is from 20%

its not a 35% reduction, more like 40%

cept on comeback, thats just fucking sick

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Tobold
LA wasn't made unfairly bad, it was made equel to Celtic Dual and Dual Wield...

it's not even that - it's still higher (slightly)

Armsmen are unnerfable - they're crippled enough as it is...

 

[klavrynd]

yep they're warriors who get to spec polearms, 3 damagetypes and wear armour with more absorb, they only need to spend points to use a twohander

draw your conclusions

 

[<Wels>]

play one and draw em yourself

 

[osrim]

?!?

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
it's not even that - it's still higher (slightly)

Armsmen are unnerfable - they're crippled enough as it is...

Arms crippled?

Arms
- Can spec 3 diffrent damage types.
- Can spec parry/shield
- Choose from 2 diffrent 2hander specs, atleast 2H kicks ass.
- Gets highest AF armor...
- Cheap tank RA's...IP, Purge, Det
- Unique RA Soldiers Barricade adds 350 AF for grp for 30 sec every 30 min, only 10 points. Roughly 33% melee damage decrease.
- Can get Avoid Pain RA

IF you dont know what u talking about...pls dont even try.

 

[scarffs]

/clap Osril !



I think Mythic only wants casters in the game to be able to get deathspam...
Tanks are only there to provide it..

 

[Kharok Svark]

Well, I am not going to delete my Zerker, apart from a level 25 Healer he is my only Character.

Made him when I knew little about best / worst class, just looked most fun.

Just looking to maybe try a different angle of play, that may suit better post 1.62.

 

[Addlcove]

my bad about the percentage, was thinking of DT chances

 

[Flimgoblin]

Re: ?!?

Originally posted by osrim
Arms crippled?

Arms
- Can spec 3 diffrent damage types.
- Can spec parry/shield
- Choose from 2 diffrent 2hander specs, atleast 2H kicks ass.
- Gets highest AF armor...
- Cheap tank RA's...IP, Purge, Det
- Unique RA Soldiers Barricade adds 350 AF for grp for 30 sec every 30 min, only 10 points. Roughly 33% melee damage decrease.
- Can get Avoid Pain RA

IF you dont know what u talking about...pls dont even try.

Osrim, I know you're trying to justify Raterik here

But since you get to spec to 50 twice to do the same damage as a warrior (who gets enough spec points to get some shield and parry... oh and an extra 7% weaponskill... which turns out to be 4% more damage than an armsman... so even after speccing 50 in two lines you do less damage... what a great deal)

Oh and gets all those RA's as well (apart from soldier's barricade which I'm assured is crap by the armsmen on VN, then again that's VN - it's better than Tundra or Void I'll grant you)

Plate versus Chain+Evade ... all of 2% extra defence. Wow! UBER!

I'd have thought a level 50 armsman would understand these problems ? Or have you just been believing all the crap spouted about warriors being gimps to actually look at anything objectively?

I'd have thought your experiences with Osril (doing the same damage as your 2h armsman but at twice the speed....) would have shown you something.

I probably went a bit far saying armsmen are crippled but the dual-spec is such a hideous disadvantage I think Mythic would be hard pressed to nerf armsmen.

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

Arsman a pratically useless without a healer and a Paladin. They have the wonderfull ability to solo a yellow and sit on their are for 10 minutes. Once out of end, which doesn't take that long, your useless.

Soldiers Baracade? Good chance to do a crap Pally impression?
Using a two handed or a pole weapon, RvR is fun when you instantly get slapped with attack speed debuff. Being an Armsman is not as wonderfull as people think. And I don't think its fair to cover it up with RA's.

Anyway, zerker, 2H, sounds like a laugh.

 

[living]

k those who tink Merc's, BM's and Zerk's are just as strong now ened to notice this.
1. Bms got a spell wich make u fumble 50%, quite nice but not the best (only qworks on 1 target).
2. Zerks got zerk mode, u do crit evry hit, you can risk getting 1 dmg crit and u loose eavde/parry chances.
3. BMs got tripple wield, makes em IMMUNE to crit damage (same as immune to zerkmode) and a 20% dmg increase(so its 20% more EVRY HIT) without looseing parry/evade.
Now those who says those abilitys are FAIR, can just fuck off

 

[Jiggs]

exactly how much fun do you think it is to play against zerks atm?

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by living
1. Bms got a spell wich make u fumble 50%, quite nice but not the best (only qworks on 1 target).

assuming you mean mercs here it´s a 7 minute timered ability with a 35% chance of target fumbles

 

[Flimgoblin]

it's a proc that lasts for 30s, so basically you're kicking people in the nads, flinging dirt/etc. for 30 seconds

it's resistable, but when it sticks on them it's nice.

A good change.

Zerkers get 10% more style damage, and a once every 7m, a 50% damage bonus

(you run the same risk of getting a 1% crit as a 99% crit - it's an on-average 50% bonus)

On the BMs being immune to frenzy - wtf are you hitting a blademaster for?

 

[klavrynd]

you forgot halved AF and the loss of the ability of parry/evade there flimgoblin...

 

[Cathul]

While thinking about the possibility of a two-handed berserk...

Can someone imagine a Troll-berserk who put all points into strength at character creation, speccing in sword, spamming Ragnaroek on a fleeing oponent with his Tuscaran Glacier 2H-sword and no quickness through items and buffs while in vendomode?

Crithits as high as 1600 points are possible i guess.

/Cathul

btw. i play on Albion realm on Prydwen, but do know enough about Midgard to justify that.

 

[decline]

If you're a 2h zerk, you're gonna have truckloads of points leftover doing nothing...

 

[Cathul]

Originally posted by decline
If you're a 2h zerk, you're gonna have truckloads of points leftover doing nothing...

I know, but not that's the point imho.
The point is, that many people are complaining about the same screenshots which show a very lucky 99% Crit on a positional style in vendo mode over and over again.

And i really wonder what these people would say after a 2h zerk hit them for a lot more damage in vendo mode on a positional style after the nerf.

/Cathul