Football World cup

[Vladamir]

Adam Johnson needs bleeding into the team. He's about the only person in England with a left peg and a bit of ball control.

 

[Everz]

A list i've come up with of some that can/could be the future

Hart, Jagielka, Micah Richards, Dawson, Huddlestone, A.Johnson, Wilshere, Connor Wickham, Mancienne, Gary Cahill, Walcott, Shawcross, Rodwell, Sturridge, Welbeck, Hargreaves(if hes fit/playing can do a job), Villa lot (Agbonlaghor, Young, Delph, Delfenonso), Cattermole

Sure there is more but would be worth bleeding a few of them through imo.

 

[cHodAX]

A list i've come up with of some that can/could be the future

Hart, Jagielka, Micah Richards, Dawson, Huddlestone, A.Johnson, Wilshere, Connor Wickham, Mancienne, Gary Cahill, Walcott, Shawcross, Rodwell, Sturridge, Welbeck, Hargreaves(if hes fit/playing can do a job), Villa lot (Agbonlaghor, Young, Delph, Delfenonso), Cattermole

Sure there is more but would be worth bleeding a few of them through imo.

Some real potential in there and a few who will never be good enough. The big problem is those most of those are not at a top 4 club so they won't get European football which means most of them will be tragically overlooked.

 

[Vladamir]

The mighty blues have a few very good prospects, but whether they can start seeing first team action will obviously depend whether they are up to international standard.

 

[Everz]

Some real potential in there and a few who will never be good enough. The big problem is those most of those are not at a top 4 club so they won't get European football which means most of them will be tragically overlooked.

Or some will be at a top4 club and never get a sniff (Mancienne, fu chelski). We need to look like the Brazilians/Germans and so forth, pick on form and not names.

Those that should be going out imho are Terry, Ferdinand, Lampard, SWP, Heskey, Gerrard, Upson, Green, James(age not poor performance for him), J.Cole. They've had there chances and need to be removed to make way for the next generation.

From the WC squad the likes of A.Cole, Rooney, Milner, Lennon, Johnson should be kept around still however.

 

[cHodAX]

The mighty blues have a few very good prospects, but whether they can start seeing first team action will obviously depend whether they are up to international standard.

Won't happen fella, now the 5 foreigner rule has bitten the dust old Roman will be out hiring mercenaries who will block your young talent out.

 

[cHodAX]

Those that should be going out imho are Terry, Ferdinand, Lampard, SWP, Heskey, Gerrard, Upson, Green, James(age not poor performance for him), J.Cole. They've had there chances and need to be removed to make way for the next generation.

From the WC squad the likes of A.Cole, Rooney, Milner, Lennon, Johnson should be kept around still however.

Could not agree more, everyone of those names has either failed or had thier day in the sun already. Time to be brave, pick young raw talent and mould a team of workers rather than have half a dozen superstars who don't play for anything other than themselves.

 

[gohan]

Could not agree more, everyone of those names has either failed or had thier day in the sun already. Time to be brave, pick young raw talent and mould a team of workers rather than have half a dozen superstars who don't play for anything other than themselves.

disagree on joe cole

he wasn't givin any sort of fair chance at the WC and has always put a shift in for england

 

[megadave]

A list i've come up with of some that can/could be the future

Hart, Jagielka, Micah Richards, Dawson, Huddlestone, A.Johnson, Wilshere, Connor Wickham, Mancienne, Gary Cahill, Walcott, Shawcross, Rodwell, Sturridge, Welbeck, Hargreaves(if hes fit/playing can do a job), Villa lot (Agbonlaghor, Young, Delph, Delfenonso), Cattermole

Sure there is more but would be worth bleeding a few of them through imo.

About half of them should have been tested in our easy qualifying games and friendlies, another Wopello error.

People need to realise Joe Cole is pretty shit and has been for two years, I don't know why every media outlet was up his arse this world cup.

 

[Everz]

Could not agree more, everyone of those names has either failed or had thier day in the sun already. Time to be brave, pick young raw talent and mould a team of workers rather than have half a dozen superstars who don't play for anything other than themselves.

Shameful thing is that it won't be happening under Capello, look forward to a Terry n co inspired Euro 2012. We need a manager with a set, which Capello clearly is not.

Adam Johnson not being taken was a crime in itself, when he come on he had all the raw talent and youthful enthusiasm to make the difference.

 

[Marc]

All the people calling for less foreigners in the premierleague will be the same ones complaining when english teams start to do pants in europe and when the premier league loses its massive tv rights because no one is watching it anymore.

Spain attracts some of the best foreign talent around. Do they have problems producing their own players?

I dont know the answer really as to how england address the problem of not producing enough stars, but I dont for one minute believe its anything to do with too many foreigners in the league. I just think thats a poor scapegoat.

I mean, think back to the 70's and 80's before the influx of johnny foreigner. Did england really do any better than they have now? 2 of those world cups they didnt even qualify for and the others, didnt get past the quarters and in some cases, the group stages

 

[Talivar]

Rooney should be dropped aswell imox if we going by Wc performances

 

[megadave]

I agree with Marc. I don't imagine the likes of Ashley Cole would be as good as he is had he not trained with the likes of Arjen Robben, Robet Pires, Freddie Ljungberg and Malouda and played against people like Ronaldo.

 

[cHodAX]

Rooney should be dropped aswell imox if we going by Wc performances

Rooney is still young, also we have not played a formation to suit him and to be fair the service to him was pretty poor as well. Yes he had a shit tournament and no excuses but he is worthy of another chance. Some of those older names do not though, they have had 3 world cups and done nothing of note.

 

[megadave]

Also i wouldn't drop all those players mentioned, some perhaps because theyre aging and not as good. But lets be honest, we don't have anyone better than Terry, Gerrard, Rio and Lampard in their position. By all means, if someone else fits the system better then play them. Other counties would give anything for players of this calibre, and these countries with much weaker players do better than us because they are a team.
The problem so far is that our last 3 managers have all just played the same players in the same system and it hasn't worked.

 

[Talivar]

Id drop him and all the others you said and then tell them if they want a place they have to start earning it. No more automatic spots just because they are who they are. That way any of them that really do care will actually try and that might help restore some passion.

 

[cHodAX]

Id drop him and all the others you said and then tell them if they want a place they have to start earning it. No more automatic spots just because they are who they are. That way any of them that really do care will actually try and that might help restore some passion.

Can't disagree with that, they all need to earn thier places because every single one of them was on cruise control this summer and it isn't good enough.

 

[megadave]

To be fair a few of the starting 11 had good seasons, Rooney included.

 

[soze]

I dont know the answer really as to how england address the problem of not producing enough stars.

Start by over hauling grass roots football and have coaches in charge who train the kids properly. There is a reason no English players have ball control and its because they are not taught it. So the FA need to higher coaches and build facilities where kids can compete and get better. I watched a game of football at my cousins school the other week they did not keep score lol, how are they going to have the winning attitude when they are told just showing up makes you a winner.

Look at the young English Arsenal players they are all comfortable with the ball can all run with it or pass it off. Most of them will not play for England but if every English player had that skill in their basic training we would be better off.

 

[Ch3tan]

The home grown players rule and the unlimited players under 21 years old will help develop English talent. It's fine all of us wanting action now, but to be fair, UEFA, FIFA and certain parts of the FA (Brooking especially) have been very vocal about this issue for years.

 

[Marc]

Start by over hauling grass roots football and have coaches in charge who train the kids properly. There is a reason no English players have ball control and its because they are not taught it. So the FA need to higher coaches and build facilities where kids can compete and get better. I watched a game of football at my cousins school the other week they did not keep score lol, how are they going to have the winning attitude when they are told just showing up makes you a winner.

Look at the young English Arsenal players they are all comfortable with the ball can all run with it or pass it off. Most of them will not play for England but if every English player had that skill in their basic training we would be better off.

Whos this uber young foreign kid at Arse whos supposed to be the dog bollocks that we are trying to steal off you? (bit offtopic I know)

 

[Vladamir]

Fabregas?

 

[Marc]

Fabregas?

lol i knew that was comming! But no, someone else.

 

[soze]

Whos this uber young foreign kid at Arse whos supposed to be the dog bollocks that we are trying to steal off you? (bit offtopic I know)

Whilshire is the top talent atm but Pedro Botelho is meant to be a bit special but last i heard he is stranded in Spain because we could not get a work permit

 

[cHodAX]

Whos this uber young foreign kid at Arse whos supposed to be the dog bollocks that we are trying to steal off you? (bit offtopic I know)

Which 'we'? You have so many I have lost track.

 

[Vladamir]

Accrington Stanley

 

[cHodAX]

Accrington Stanley

If they were winning I am sure he would!

Can you imagine if Marc and Aada had a baby? What a treacherous little fucker it would be!

 

[Job]

Yo Talivar, seeing your name takes me back.
AOP, DAOC on a 16mb gfx card, Bubbabear, NHS and me Jobbiger the crap bard.

Hope you are the same Talivar or I'll look like de poohead.

 

[Talivar]

I am the same one and i do remeber Was good old days

 

[cHodAX]

Pair of old bastards, that is all I am going to say...