Wizards ???????

[erialor]

I have played daoc almost 2 years now, and I still dont understand why nothing is being done about the wizard class... They are EXTREMELY underpowered... They do lower damage than other casters in albion, they have no pet, no speed, no stun, no mezz or anything else that makes them special in albion except for pbaoe if they go ice.

I would say they are hopelessly useless and underpowered. Hib casters have stun, and nuke for twice the damage a wizard can do, most of them also have pets and can mezz/debuff nearsight etc.

Wizards are sooooo sucky...

I have spent so many hours on my wizard, and is about to delete it, cuz I find it useless.. No fun playing a char, that has such disadvantages when fighting...

Plz can someone tell me that wizards is gonna be given some abilities soon, or that all other casters will be nerfed big time or maybe just tell me something a wizard can do, which makes them important...

 

[Lakih]

Wizards nuke things... alot and hard...

 

[Aeatan]

And over a long range, too.

What are the mid and hib classes similar to the wizard?

 

[Xplo]

Make a full toa'd fire wiz and you will be god in NF...

If the alb zerg for the win theory is true, you'll probably get the pwr relics wich the hibs have now and nuke as hard.

 

[Lakih]

And over a long range, too.

What are the mid and hib classes similar to the wizard?

Boltcaster: Eldritch, Runemaster
PBAoE: Enchanter, Spiritmaster

 

[Zebolt]

Yeah, rly.. I compare wizards with runemasters (I play one) and can't say there is any difference rly. You got the same 2.8s/219dmg nuke if you spec fire as rm's spec darkness. You even got a bolt in the fire line which is of better use than rm's debuff/nuke.

compare ice wizards with supp rm's next, see they both got snare nuke as their main weapon and both got an AoE nuke. Wizards get PBAoE while rm's get PBT and NS. The wizard pbaoe which is a great spell.

next up is earth wiz vs. rc rm I guess. Both get GTAoE, a bolt and an AoE nuke. Wizards get a DoT and AoE Root which is nice for CC while rm's get a debuff which is handy.

Can't say wizards are much worse than rm's tbh, and I don't think many think of rm's as underpowered. So saying that wizards are EXTREMELY underpowered is a joke rly. To say they are underpowered just cuz' the other casters in the realm is significantly better is a tad silly imo..

 

[SevenSins]

Yeah, rly.. I compare wizards with runemasters (I play one) and can't say there is any difference rly. You got the same 2.8s/219dmg nuke if you spec fire as rm's spec darkness. You even got a bolt in the fire line which is of better use than rm's debuff/nuke.

compare ice wizards with supp rm's next, see they both got snare nuke as their main weapon and both got an AoE nuke. Wizards get PBAoE while rm's get PBT and NS. The wizard pbaoe which is a great spell.

next up is earth wiz vs. rc rm I guess. Both get GTAoE, a bolt and an AoE nuke. Wizards get a DoT and AoE Root which is nice for CC while rm's get a debuff which is handy.

Can't say wizards are much worse than rm's tbh, and I don't think many think of rm's as underpowered. So saying that wizards are EXTREMELY underpowered is a joke rly. To say they are underpowered just cuz' the other casters in the realm is significantly better is a tad silly imo..

Tabled - need specific, compare apples to apples

 

[Cozak]

After playing against Eroa i can tell you if you know how to play a wiz have decent equip they aint underpowered 640 dmg every 1second or something

 

[Sycho]

My wiz is toa sced, does 700s a nuke after 50% heat debuff 90% or so of the time(818 nuke cap with traldor charge Oo), without i hit hibs about 500-600(since they do not bother with heat so much) and mids around 400s sometimes 500s but i haven't played him much in rvr since toa sc'ing him.I think i nuke damn hard just against red resists you have a problem, that's why you get a good body sorc and assist very good then you can kill extremely fast, too bad most albs do not try this as cabalists get more utility but i think a good wizard can out damage them by far with a decent body sorc.(the only problem is though, if this body sorc is interupted or targeting very bad, your dps will suffer a lot vs groups with red resists xE)

Zebolt you seem to forget you get a 10% debuff within your 219dd if i am not mistaken? but then again we get good bolts....whoever says fire bolts aren't good are either not bolting the right targets or toa sc'ed very well.(my spec bolt usually does 700-1k without debuff and has 1235 cap with traldor charge up)

Just wish we would get nearsight or some kind of boost....but i really can't see it happening, oh well we just have to wait and wait like we always have, doesn't bother me so much though i enjoy playing mine, i do not care what people think about it.

 

[remi]

Wizards are a very solid class, spec nukes and bolts in same line is dmg.

which wizzys and runemasters get a pet tho


10% debuff is dark spec Sycho, which means no bolts. This spec is only viable due the 25% pierce thing.

 

[Sycho]

Wizards are a very solid class, spec nukes and bolts in same line is dmg.

which wizzys and runemasters get a pet tho


10% debuff is dark spec Sycho, which means no bolts. This spec is only viable due the 25% pierce thing.

Yeah i know that's why i said we get bolts and they get 10% 219dd debuff dd, so it's kind of even if you compared a darkness runie to a fire wiz.(just i bolt harder but a runie would nuke a bit harder though with a 50% debuffer it's the same nuke wise)

Earth spec line is very bad on wizard that's where the main problem is on the class, haven't played a runemaster to 50 but i should imagine something lacks somewhere in one of their speclines too.(i know suppression doesn't nuke so good but has good utility to back that up)

 

[svartalf]

I still dont understand why nothing is being done about the wizard class... They are EXTREMELY underpowered... They do lower damage than other casters in albion

See Endofira.

What's with the respec to -> <-

 

[Sarnat]

Yeah i know that's why i said we get bolts and they get 10% 219dd debuff dd, so it's kind of even if you compared a darkness runie to a fire wiz.

The high dmg spec DD does not debuff. It's the lower dmg value raven bolt line (or maybe it was renamed as it's not a bolt) that debuffs 10%. You need like 4 nukes to get back the damage if you use debuff dd + spec dd vs just spec dd.

 

[Cyfr]

3Bolts in NF. Go Figure.

 

[Zebolt]

Yeah i know that's why i said we get bolts and they get 10% 219dd debuff dd, so it's kind of even if you compared a darkness runie to a fire wiz.

Well Remi doesn't know his class very well

Runemaster get a 219 dd and a 175 dd debuff, so our 219dd main nuke is the same as fire wizards :>

 

[Eraser]

its true, a full ToAed wiz can finally do the dmg he is supposed to do. but with its counterparts in the other realms also getting this significant boost through equipment its still sub par imo.

go ask the just retired TL leader therrik on VN boards, there wont be much change in the near future for this class.

i dont want to moan too much as i do enjoy my wiz a lot. but the feedback from mythic in the last TL report was more then disappointing.

 

[Solarius]

its true, a full ToAed wiz can finally do the dmg he is supposed to do. but with its counterparts in the other realms also getting this significant boost through equipment its still sub par imo.

go ask the just retired TL leader therrik on VN boards, there wont be much change in the near future for this class.

i dont want to moan too much as i do enjoy my wiz a lot. but the feedback from mythic in the last TL report was more then disappointing.

The feedback for ALL classes is dissapointing this time round I think!

If you want depressing feedback, check out the Animist TL feedback.
http://forums.drunkenfriar.com/viewtopic.php?t=3932
Made me angry and I don't even play an animist!

 

[Case]

how exactly can you say a pbaoe wizzy is anywhere near as good as a pbaoe SM? are you even playing the same game as me?

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fire wizzy is probably nearly as good as a bolt spec runey though so wouldn`t say that much underpowered in comparison

 

[Solarius]

how exactly can you say a pbaoe wizzy is anywhere near as good as a pbaoe SM? are you even playing the same game as me?

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fire wizzy is probably nearly as good as a bolt spec runey though so wouldn`t say that much underpowered in comparison

One thing PbAoE wizzie gets that all other pbaoe classes don't get is AoE resist debuff DD. May only be 10%, but that does make your PBs hit harder for the duration. Good healers, MoC and an Ice wizzie can do lots of damage pretty fast. Each PBAoE spec has advantages and disadvanages, SMs get AoE str/con debuff, st mez and intercepting pets, Chanters get healing or nuking pets and Debuff baseline st nuking, elds get AoE snaredd, AoE str/con debuff and AoE disease, wizzies get AoE resist debuff. It all depends on how these can work to your advantage I guess, easy to think other realms get it better if you start thinking negativly.

 

[Alan]

Life would be dull if all three realms had the same toons - but I have to say in my eyes wizards get it tough

Bolt casters in mid and hib get enough points to also get nearsight, really usefull with new frontiers and ranged combat comming up

Wizards get very little utility, however I think the fire line is the only caster to get a spec bolts and spec DD ??

 

[Garok]

One thing PbAoE wizzie gets that all other pbaoe classes don't get is AoE resist debuff DD. May only be 10%, but that does make your PBs hit harder for the duration. Good healers, MoC and an Ice wizzie can do lots of damage pretty fast. Each PBAoE spec has advantages and disadvanages, SMs get AoE str/con debuff, st mez and intercepting pets, Chanters get healing or nuking pets and Debuff baseline st nuking, elds get AoE snaredd, AoE str/con debuff and AoE disease, wizzies get AoE resist debuff. It all depends on how these can work to your advantage I guess, easy to think other realms get it better if you start thinking negativly.

The main problem wizards have though is unlike most other caster's they have no real benifit from puting left over points into a second line since insta stat debuffs, Near sight, confusion, magic debuffs, disease are all in mage spec lines.

 

[Ormorof]

Wizards get very little utility, however I think the fire line is the only caster to get a spec bolts and spec DD ??

yep, unfortunaly for wizzie they are (like some alb classes) one trick pony's, whereas i really enjoy runey because i have lots of toys to play with (bolts, gtaoe, debuff dd's, nearsight, bt etc )

 

[Maleg]

Wizards are a solid class, just not ideal for the current RvR format. Come NF Fire Wizards are gonna be a pain in the harris:

239 DD Baseline Fire Bolt
331 DD Specliine Fire Bolt
219 DD Spec DD
158 DD Spec AE DD

plus ghetto GTAoE or PBAoE depending on secondary spec.

Ice Wizards have generally been the lesser of the PBAoE classes, but DAoC is more about ranged nuking these days - more so in NF

If you do a like for like comparison with the other Bolt or Spec DD nukers you'll see that Hib casters have more utility, but have tradeoffs.
Elds can either be Bolt casters (Void) or spec DD (Light) not both
Runemasters appear to have the same trade-off either choosing to be Bolt or Spec DD casters.

As far as I can tell Fire Wizzys are out and out damage dealers with no thrills or toys. With full ToA setup they should do very nicely in NF.

 

[Ormorof]

As far as I can tell Fire Wizzys are out and out damage dealers with no thrills or toys. With full ToA setup they should do very nicely in NF.

the ryan air of DAoC

neat, efficient, cheap
(and dont tell me casters cost more to gear up than tanks because i wont believe you! )

 

[Shadeyhodds]

From my recent experiance of playing ToA'd wizard in RvR, we are a viable class but still not up to par with other realm casters.

Vs mids, i constantly get very high resists due to shamen heat resist buffs which is always avalible to a mid group steup. For albs to produce the same resists we need to run with a friar and it isnt always practial due the the shortage and space limit. As a fire specced wizard my damage range on a opted group without a debuffer is only about 400 - 550 max if heat resists are up. Mid casters can easily equal my damage even with base line nukes and at a much faster cast speed. Again this is due to lack of friar resists.

Fighting vs hibs is a different story because their heat resists are much lower. i can expect to nuke for 500 to 650 without a debuffer. Hibs caster advantage however is their ability to insta interupt me (dps debuff etc) aswel as a 9 second stun / heat debuff. its rare that a healer can save me intime after i am stunned and heat debuff nuked.

My only advantage as a fire wizard are my bolts. If cast fast enough at the beginning of a fight i can take out an enemy caster before anyone can react. However with insta mez on both enemy sides this isnt possible all of the time.
(especially vs bonedancers who /face insta life tap as soon as my first bolt lands grrr..)

 

[Alan]

plus ghetto GTAoE or PBAoE depending on secondary spec.

Im 50 fire and 20 earth, had my GT set right in the middle of AMG in odins during a massive battle last night I cast my gtaoe and hit for varying damages of between 2 and 10 ... wow !!!

secondary spec for GTAOE or PBAOE on a wizard is pathetic, and only of use for interupt purpose, compared to the other casters who actualy gain something viable.

 

[Ormorof]

Im 50 fire and 20 earth, had my GT set right in the middle of AMG in odins during a massive battle last night I cast my gtaoe and hit for varying damages of between 2 and 10 ... wow !!!

secondary spec for GTAOE or PBAOE on a wizard is pathetic, and only of use for interupt purpose, compared to the other casters who actualy gain something viable.

secondary spec gtaoe on runies is pathetic too

even with top gtaoe you do very little damage tbh

 

[Balbor]

Wizards are a solid class, just not ideal for the current RvR format. Come NF Fire Wizards are gonna be a pain in the harris:

239 DD Baseline Fire Bolt
331 DD Specliine Fire Bolt
219 DD Spec DD
158 DD Spec AE DD

plus ghetto GTAoE or PBAoE depending on secondary spec.

Ice Wizards have generally been the lesser of the PBAoE classes, but DAoC is more about ranged nuking these days - more so in NF

If you do a like for like comparison with the other Bolt or Spec DD nukers you'll see that Hib casters have more utility, but have tradeoffs.
Elds can either be Bolt casters (Void) or spec DD (Light) not both
Runemasters appear to have the same trade-off either choosing to be Bolt or Spec DD casters.

As far as I can tell Fire Wizzys are out and out damage dealers with no thrills or toys. With full ToA setup they should do very nicely in NF.

of course wizards don't have debuff for one of there baselines, also they are only main nuker not to have a ST DD in one of there lines (Earth). RM get Dex debuff (so can reduce the DPS of other wizards) NS and Damage Debuff. Only thing a RM doesn't have that wizards do is Root (albion has 3 aoe roots or some resion) and PBAE and those spells are more effective on a class that have pets (mezz/stun).

As for out and out damage dealers, RM and Elds do the same amount of damage but have more utility

 

[Alan]

secondary spec gtaoe on runies is pathetic too

even with top gtaoe you do very little damage tbh

Yeah not arguing that, just that runies get more usefull things to spec in 2nd line, bladeturn, nearsight.. urm and whatever else.. cant be assed to look at catacombs

 

[Lejemorder]

My wiz is toa sced, does 700s a nuke after 50% heat debuff 90% or so of the time(818 nuke cap with traldor charge Oo), without i hit hibs about 500-600(since they do not bother with heat so much) and mids around 400s sometimes 500s but i haven't played him much in rvr since toa sc'ing him.

not coz hib not bother about heat resist:

solid reg/nurt druid spec is 40reg/35nurt, with this spec u get yellow cold and heat resis.

solid aug/cave shaman spec is 45aug/27cave, with this spec u get red cold and heat resist.