Wisconsin Open Carry

[Lamp]

Its illegal in Wisconsin to carry a concealed hand gun
So people walk round with them strapped to their belts

There is a general movement among a growing number of US states to relax the law on open carry

Open carry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A good thing ?
Would it work in your home town / country ?

 

[megadave]

Having no guns at all like we do here is definately the best option but obviously wont happen in a lot of parts of America.

Are there any crime rate statistics for before and after?

 

[Raven]

It wouldn't work here because guns are not part of the everyday furniture as it were. Totally different over there due to the "right to bear arms" in the constitution, most are brought up to respect fire arms over there.

 

[old.Tohtori]

All things considered, i don't see a harm in it.

Points?

- It will work towards keeping scarier criminals away from people.
- (moot point) It is kinda cool, old west style
- It's clear to everyone who is carrying and who is not, police etc.
- Those who would will carry anyway.

I think it was in Chuck, where one of ye old Baldwins had a t-shirt on, or said it; "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" or to that extent. Great quote anyway.

 

[Ezteq]

I have to say that I don't think it'd work here if we just suddenly implemented it because the majority of brits have never even seen a gun except on tv and have no idea how to behave with/around them.

In countries where guns are a way of life people just see them as a thing to have, like a car (though even with cars people still abuse them and hurt people through misuse tbh) but unlike a car a gun has only one purpose (cars have more than one purpose...I like to have picnics in ours), to shoot stuff and even with countries where guns are legal to carry round you still get dick heads abusing them and going off and killing other people.

People in this country have quite the wrong mind set about guns they see them as bad and evil and therefore having a law that made it alright to carry them would spark open hostility towards the folk who were carrying them and invite abuse by people who shouldn't even be let near a chip fork.

 

[Dukat]

I have to say that I don't think it'd work here if we just suddenly implemented it because the majority of brits have never even seen a gun except on tv and have no idea how to behave with/around them.

In countries where guns are a way of life people just see them as a thing to have, like a car (though even with cars people still abuse them and hurt people through misuse tbh) but unlike a car a gun has only one purpose (cars have more than one purpose...I like to have picnics in ours), to shoot stuff and even with countries where guns are legal to carry round you still get dick heads abusing them and going off and killing other people.

People in this country have quite the wrong mind set about guns they see them as bad and evil and therefore having a law that made it alright to carry them would spark open hostility towards the folk who were carrying them and invite abuse by people who shouldn't even be let near a chip fork.

You're quite right there Ez imo

Without trying to counter-point too hard though (I'm not playing devils advocate, honest ), the main argument for things like open-carry is that if someone is determined enough to cause harm, or to get a weapon and use it, then they'll more often than not find a weapon and use it whether there are laws preventing these weapons or not. This has the effect of limiting weapons to those people who follow the law, which in turn makes self defence more difficult by a significant factor, because the only people you should be defending yourself from are the ones not following the law.

Also, many crimes which are commited would arguably have never been carried out in the first place if the perpetrators knew there were even a 50/50 chance of thier victim carrying a weapon.

I agree very much with the sentiments in your post, but I also think that the ability for people to be allowed to carry arms under certain circumstances would also not necessarily be a bad thing, if it were correctly controlled - which it probably wouldnt

 

[leviathane]

gotta love the yanks they're still a bunch of cowboys at heart.

 

[Sparx]

Give an untrained civilian a gun they will do one of 2 things guaranteed. They will either giggle for ten minutes or panic and freeze and be too scared to move incase the gn goe wild and kills everyone they have ever known.

I grew up my whole life with guns, from Gats to air rifles then Cadets and Army so ive always respected them and never messed around with them

In the states with guns its the same they have been brought up with guns and taught to respect them.

Contrary to popular belief holding a gun wont instantly turn you into a crazed high school killer, those kids would have just found another way of causing harm without guns. Bomb making for example is very simple with household items and google.
In any culture or situation the minority will always fuck it up for the sensible people

 

[Sparx]

I personally have always found guns to be a perfect contradiction. Something so beautiful and perfect and its only function is pain. Stripping a weapon and understanding how it all works right down to how the round fires is fascinating

 

[old.Tohtori]

I personally have always found guns to be a perfect contradiction. Something so beautiful and perfect and its only function is pain. Stripping a weapon and understanding how it all works right down to how the round fires is fascinating

Nah, good guns don't cause pain

 

[Sparx]

modern guns with 5.56 rounds are designed not kill the target but to maim him and then 2 other soldiers have to help take him off the field of battle thus removing 3 soldiers instead of 1. Good old fashioned 7.62 rounds on the other hand. You never knew you were hit with one of them but the guy next to you who is now wearing your face will know

EDIT: i dont like using the term gun when talking about weapons unless its handguns, obviously im talking about rifles there. I also hate the work bullet, its a round god dammit

 

[old.Tohtori]

You Gunerd

But yeah, that "shoot one take out three" is old as farting. I bet history books have ancient peasants throwing rocks at roman testies to take them out and two with them.

 

[Dukat]

EDIT: i dont like using the term gun when talking about weapons unless its handguns, obviously im talking about rifles there. I also hate the work bullet, its a round god dammit

Haha, was in an artillery-oriented troop in basic training, the penalty for saying "Gun" instead of a "Rifle" was 50 pressups every time the bombardiers saw you for the rest of the day Good times, funny how it makes you use the terms correctly without even noticing though

 

[Sparx]

Its one of the reasons why the British army changed from 7.62 L1A1 SLR to the L85 (which was renamed SA80, then renamed to Rifle 5.56mm, due to SA80 not really being correct as it stood for Small Arms of the 80s and its still in use)

I was the LAW man in my platoon too, great for the fact i got to fire a 95mm Light Antitank Weapon, not so good carrying the fucker

 

[Sparx]

Haha, was in an artillery-oriented troop in basic training, the penalty for saying "Gun" instead of a "Rifle" was 50 pressups every time the bombardiers saw you for the rest of the day Good times, funny how it makes you use the terms correctly without even noticing though

You will start to cringe when you hear people say bullet and rifle and it never goes away haha

 

[old.Tohtori]

Sparx you do realise that you're talking about gringing at yourself?

Afterall we were talking guns before you talked about rifles.

 

[Sparx]

Oh yes thats why when i was talking about the rifle ammo of 5.56 and called it a gun i put an EDIT in and in a crazy round about way was basically saying im a knob for calling it a gun

 

[Dukat]

Oh yes thats why when i was talking about the rifle ammo of 5.56 and called it a gun i put an EDIT in and in a crazy round about way was basically saying im a knob for calling it a gun

haha, get pressin'!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh yes thats why when i was talking about the rifle ammo of 5.56 and called it a gun i put an EDIT in and in a crazy round about way was basically saying im a knob for calling it a gun

Gotta self-flaming

 

[Sparx]

I think i deserve the whistle more than pressups god that kills, run in a circle first whistle get on your belly and crawl, second whistle back on your feet. Yeah sounds ok but try that in full cambats, webbing and vest and your rifle, and the time between whistle blasts gets smaller and smaller so at one point your not moving just standing up and laying down constantly

 

[Laddey]

Guns don't kill people. CorNokZ does.

 

[Ezteq]

Guns don't kill people. CorNokZ does.

lol I brought B2 the T shirt from Happy Gilmore with 'guns don't kill people I do' on it...


I brought myself one that says 'AK47when there is no option but to kill every f**ker in the room '

hehe

I love firearms tbh they are fun, and Sparx your observation about how people behave when first handed one is true, they really don't know whether to shit or giggle lol

 

[Killswitch]

The argument I've always made about this is that in a country where guns are illegal and (reasonably) tightly controlled, only the police and a small percentage of serious career criminals have guns. The chances of you being shot in the UK are pretty much zero unless you are;

a) a policeman
b) a gang member
c) a drug dealer

It cuts both ways, if you're a burglar, you're less likely to be shot by a householder. Then again, if you're a householder, you're also less likely to be shot by a burglar! I believe a significant proportion of firearm-related deaths in the US are people who have their own firearms used against them.

Allowing guns to be privately owned with few restrictions will, without question, put guns in the hands of the small minority of people who will use them for revenge or "going postal".

Also, guns are so final, aren't they? In the UK, if I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time, I could easily get stabbed. That would suck, but I have more chance of defending myself against a crackhead with a knife than I do a crackhead with a gun. I'm also more likely to survive the encounter.

 

[Ezteq]

The argument I've always made about this is that in a country where guns are illegal and (reasonably) tightly controlled, only the police and a small percentage of serious career criminals have guns. The chances of you being shot in the UK are pretty much zero unless you are;

a) a policeman
b) a gang member
c) a drug dealer

It cuts both ways, if you're a burglar, you're less likely to be shot by a householder. Then again, if you're a householder, you're also less likely to be shot by a burglar! I believe a significant proportion of firearm-related deaths in the US are people who have their own firearms used against them.

Allowing guns to be privately owned with few restrictions will, without question, put guns in the hands of the small minority of people who will use them for revenge or "going postal".

Also, guns are so final, aren't they? In the UK, if I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time, I could easily get stabbed. That would suck, but I have more chance of defending myself against a crackhead with a knife than I do a crackhead with a gun. I'm also more likely to survive the encounter.

Um don't mean to nit pick but there are lots of people who own guns in this country who are not police or criminals, my gun club has lots of lovely members who would be terribly sad to hear you think they would only use them to hurt people, lots of them only ever shoot targets, a few go hunting for actual animals (and then eat them) but mainly it is a very social, friendly sport.

Don't be drawn in to believing the media, not all gun owners are irrisponsible maniacs you would be amazed at the number of private citizens who do own a firearm...and the little sweet looking old men at my club who own about 50+++ would make you think twice

 

[Killswitch]

Um don't mean to nit pick but there are lots of people who own guns in this country who are not police or criminals, my gun club has lots of lovely members who would be terribly sad to hear you think they would only use them to hurt people, lots of them only ever shoot targets, a few go hunting for actual animals (and then eat them) but mainly it is a very social, friendly sport.

Don't be drawn in to believing the media, not all gun owners are irrisponsible maniacs you would be amazed at the number of private citizens who do own a firearm...and the little sweet looking old men at my club who own about 50+++ would make you think twice

As I understand it, there are many restrictions on ownership of and carrying of firearms in the UK. Also, importantly, I think there are very strict limits on the type of gun owned as well. Most burglars would struggle to break, enter and make off while carrying a rifle or long-bore shotgun. I believe there are also restrictions on automatic weapons, if I'm right?

I also seem to remember that we have very strict rules on storage, transportation, registration and sale of firearms. How many of those guys keep their guns in locked cabinets at the club itself?

I'm not an expert and I don't claim to be, but I reckon there is a big difference between the recreational use of large weapons and the free availability of easily-concealable handguns.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You have to think of concealment as a problem too.

How many people in the US get shot because they motuh off to the wrong person? If they saw someone packing a magnum at the hip, i think they'd be more careful about insulting someone.

Like i said, if someone is carrying, it's better that it shows.

Criminals and such will no matter what carry guns.

 

[Killswitch]

You have to think of concealment as a problem too.

How many people in the US get shot because they motuh off to the wrong person? If they saw someone packing a magnum at the hip, i think they'd be more careful about insulting someone.

Like i said, if someone is carrying, it's better that it shows.

Criminals and such will no matter what carry guns.

Of course, if someone wants an untraceable gun to commit a crime, what better way than to find someone openly carrying and hit them over the head? I also saw several police when I visited New York who were patrolling by themselves, not wearing head protection, carrying weapons in open holsters. Scary stuff...

 

[old.Tohtori]

Of course, if someone wants an untraceable gun to commit a crime, what better way than to find someone openly carrying and hit them over the head? I also saw several police when I visited New York who were patrolling by themselves, not wearing head protection, carrying weapons in open holsters. Scary stuff...

Easier ways to get an untracable gun then risking your life stealing one.

 

[Raven]

Allowing guns to be privately owned with few restrictions will, without question, put guns in the hands of the small minority of people who will use them for revenge or "going postal".

Banning hand guns has made no difference to the amount of illegally owned hand guns or firearms related crimes. All it has done is prevent normal people from participating in a hobby that they enjoyed and made a few daily mail readers move onto another subject to cry about.

 

[soze]

Being able to carry a gun gets people killed. A bank robbery in the UK criminal runs in pulls a gun everyone shits themselves they take the money 90% of the time to one gets hurt. In America a guy pulls his gun so does some random trying to be a hero and people get hurt.

That being said if you have to have guns like in the US i would rather you be forced to carry them in the open rather than risk concealed weapons.