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old.Schrodinger
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Barrysworld were the first people I saw with free internet access (they beat Freeserve to it by a few months if I remember rightly) so I have a lot of time for the company.
I would pay to play as long as the stand alone charge was not onerous.
Now consider, Freeserve give me 24/7 access to the internet for 365 days a year for just £150 or whatever.
I would pay a *bit* for gaming servers, but it has to be taken in context and I would like a choice.
Given the above, I would feel that it is reasonable to pay a small fee such as £1 or £2 per month - £24 pa - for access to BW gaming servers, considering that I may only use them for a max of 56 hours per month.
Again, compare this with an ISP which offers 24/7 access to its servers plus email plus newsgroups (I know BW offer this, but I may not wish to use it).
I think that, beyond that sort of extra cost, I would put up with other servers.
Don't forget that I may not want to just play on BW servers. If the P2P model became prevalent (which I believe is reasonable) the cost could very quickly become prohibitive to have any choice at all.
The logical conclusion is to pay by the minute, but until micro payments become a plausible solution (c'mon banks!) then this is not on the horizon.
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I would pay to play as long as the stand alone charge was not onerous.
Now consider, Freeserve give me 24/7 access to the internet for 365 days a year for just £150 or whatever.
I would pay a *bit* for gaming servers, but it has to be taken in context and I would like a choice.
Given the above, I would feel that it is reasonable to pay a small fee such as £1 or £2 per month - £24 pa - for access to BW gaming servers, considering that I may only use them for a max of 56 hours per month.
Again, compare this with an ISP which offers 24/7 access to its servers plus email plus newsgroups (I know BW offer this, but I may not wish to use it).
I think that, beyond that sort of extra cost, I would put up with other servers.
Don't forget that I may not want to just play on BW servers. If the P2P model became prevalent (which I believe is reasonable) the cost could very quickly become prohibitive to have any choice at all.
The logical conclusion is to pay by the minute, but until micro payments become a plausible solution (c'mon banks!) then this is not on the horizon.
Schrodinger
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I guess a small subscription for HL/quake/unreal/tribes would make sense, but a ppp for less popular games, but ppp is very long way away, every1 would need a fat pipe, just to set up the billing sytems, and you'll need alot of ppl using bw, to reduce the chance of empty servers, better still have events at certain times so people know when to log in.
all very futuristic
all very futuristic
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Hmm. I've never played any of the games you mention online. I'd only play OpFlash, I reckon. Don't fancy being charged more than others for the same 'hourage' of gameplay.
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I would not pay for it while other GSP's provide a simular service for free. I doubt many people except the most hardcore BY fans would. Nothing against Barrysworld, it's just that don't like having to pay for something when I can get it else where for free. I do however acknowledge the fact that there may well come a time in the near future when I won't have a choice but to pay. Then I will make my choice based of ping, standard of admins, community and service; Things that Barryworld are not the best for at the moment for me imo.
The best thing about p2p for me would be the fact that it would put a stop on most cheating. That would be worth a few squid a month alone for some gamers. No one wants to be the first so I think the GSP's will have to get together, like the telco's etc do with some issuses, and agree to do it at the same time maybe(?). Otherwise i think the first GSP to do it is going to have to do something a bit special and maybe provide more than just the bog standard Servers, forums and Web page/guides.
I would like to say that if/when p2p comes in it should be a leveled system of charges - If I only play one game type I would not like to as much as someone who plays 3 game types.
This is what I would like to see for example; Insteed of a simple £5 pound a month it should be like £3 for access to each game server type. I.e. Someone who plays on just T2 servers would pay £3 and someone who plays UT and HL would pay £6. Just an idea.
The best thing about p2p for me would be the fact that it would put a stop on most cheating. That would be worth a few squid a month alone for some gamers. No one wants to be the first so I think the GSP's will have to get together, like the telco's etc do with some issuses, and agree to do it at the same time maybe(?). Otherwise i think the first GSP to do it is going to have to do something a bit special and maybe provide more than just the bog standard Servers, forums and Web page/guides.
I would like to say that if/when p2p comes in it should be a leveled system of charges - If I only play one game type I would not like to as much as someone who plays 3 game types.
This is what I would like to see for example; Insteed of a simple £5 pound a month it should be like £3 for access to each game server type. I.e. Someone who plays on just T2 servers would pay £3 and someone who plays UT and HL would pay £6. Just an idea.
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How would that work?
Person "a" plays one game type - he plays it 24/7/365
Person "b" plays 14 games types - for an average of 1 hour a week.
Person "a" pays out £3
Person "b" pays out £3x14
Is that fair? No.
It would HAVE to be done on a "time connected" basis rather than a "mod/game basis".
Good, so you won't be wasting my bandwidth then.
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When P2P does come out you will be left with 3 choices.
1. Use P2P
2. Dont use P2P
If you choose to use it, then you have to make further decisions
1. What charging mechanism the provider is charging.
2. How good the service is.
Its like everything in this world. If you cant get it for nothing, you pay for what service you prefer.
1. Use P2P
2. Dont use P2P
If you choose to use it, then you have to make further decisions
1. What charging mechanism the provider is charging.
2. How good the service is.
Its like everything in this world. If you cant get it for nothing, you pay for what service you prefer.
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Whats the third choice the Laz?
Schrodinger, BW offering free net access? NOt to my knowledge have they ever offered free net access.
p2p, I was going to say ahve a looka t the BArrybank demo but its been taken down.
From what I remmeber the idea was to buy barry credits, these credits could then be spent on the services BW offered.
This system wouldn't victimise people that played more or less, as you only spend when u use something.
Schrodinger, BW offering free net access? NOt to my knowledge have they ever offered free net access.
p2p, I was going to say ahve a looka t the BArrybank demo but its been taken down.
From what I remmeber the idea was to buy barry credits, these credits could then be spent on the services BW offered.
This system wouldn't victimise people that played more or less, as you only spend when u use something.
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I presume that would have to work on a system of the more credits you buy the cheaper it is?. With a system like that, i could see it being mightly expensive for geek who spends all day and night playing. But Mr B is right, it would certainly have to be on a time connected basis. Even though i favour a single monthly charge, and not the right rip off pay per play, i don't fancy paying through the nose for some sad nonce that does nothing all day but sit in front of his screen playig games, while im out at work slogging it
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I'd much prefer a flat fee, not a pay per play. Maybe both options will be used? That would keep more people happy.
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Ch3tan, you said
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"Schrodinger, BW offering free net access? NOt to my knowledge have they ever offered free net access. "
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This was when ISPs charged per month for net access, ON TOP of local phone charges. - i.e. Demon at £15 or Prestel at £17.50 pm.
Barrysworld introduced a dial up service that was free to use *except* for local phone charges.
At the time is was revolutionary and they beat Freeserve to it.
I was not referring to free as in free phone calls.
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"Schrodinger, BW offering free net access? NOt to my knowledge have they ever offered free net access. "
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This was when ISPs charged per month for net access, ON TOP of local phone charges. - i.e. Demon at £15 or Prestel at £17.50 pm.
Barrysworld introduced a dial up service that was free to use *except* for local phone charges.
At the time is was revolutionary and they beat Freeserve to it.
I was not referring to free as in free phone calls.
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Would of thought you could of guessed what he meant
Yes people would move to other GSPs if BW put P2P in place. However once BW does it I can assure you it'll be the trickle before the waterfall and others will follow.
I personally reckon the charge will be no less than £5 a month and more like £10+.
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£20 a month unlimited access to all games on public servers.
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Ch3tan
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Didnt Xstream offer that before anyone else?
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old.[NC]Sturty
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I think BW started theirs in december '98? Dunno about X-Stream, that was a free / poo 0800 dial up wasn't it?
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Lol x-stream that brings it back. I remember one of my old clan buds constantly droping to reconnect on x-stream after a game or practice. I dunno how the hell he was getting on, but he was. I managed it once in about 1000 reconnect atempts on a isdn. My connection lasted about 3 mins before i got dumped, who knows how these things work
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Unless the charge is pretty high (by existing estimations) I can't see how any GSP can even break even, let alone improve the services. When you stray outside the boundaries of voluntary work (unless you're lucky to chance upon a group of people who are prepared to be on call 24/7 simply through their love of gaming) you have to start paying people, and to do this you need to make money. Getting money from subs almost certainly doesn't qualify as it will barely cover the cost of the bandwidth. It will make things more comfortable, which would hopefully lead to more investment. A paying customer base is an attractive asset.
It's a no-win situation really, GSPs need to start making a return on their huge investments and gamers will only pay where there is some guaranteed level of service (one would presume more than there is currently). Neither will happen miraculously overnight.
It's a no-win situation really, GSPs need to start making a return on their huge investments and gamers will only pay where there is some guaranteed level of service (one would presume more than there is currently). Neither will happen miraculously overnight.
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We could go for a commie system - clans setting up their own servers on reasonable connections, and offering them to the world when not in use...
Back to paid services, anyone know how much each server costs to run? Give me that figure, and I'll try to work out a realistic monthly fee, and a pay per play fee.
Back to paid services, anyone know how much each server costs to run? Give me that figure, and I'll try to work out a realistic monthly fee, and a pay per play fee.
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Yeah i pretty much had that in mind. Even though 10 quid sounds like a nice amount per month, it's prolly just a drop in the ocean to whats actually required to make a subscription service work to the standard which it needs to be run.
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I was looking at a telewest ad today, for unlimited phonecalls, for £25 per month, and thought it was too much.
Then I thought how BW could combine the 2, ppp & subscription, lets face it every1 will want to play online, sometime or another, maybe not every waking moment.
I think £5 per month would be good and £1 per hour you play, that would be good
So if I play an hour a week, I'd spend about £100 a year.
Then I thought how BW could combine the 2, ppp & subscription, lets face it every1 will want to play online, sometime or another, maybe not every waking moment.
I think £5 per month would be good and £1 per hour you play, that would be good
So if I play an hour a week, I'd spend about £100 a year.