Why the change of heart Albs?

[Ilienwyn]

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Happy new Year everyone! *



*Bit late I know but prefered to keep PC off for a day for a change and since I am at work and things go pretty slow I thought of passing some time! Keep the spam/whine so I got something to read and pass time

 

[Thorwyn]

I think you misread my post to be honest... It's not a moan of AC raids, it's not even blaming people for pushing their sleep hours, it's simply a statement of how I see things.

I'll summarise for you;
- If people choose to capture relics at 5am it's their life and their call.
- We (opposing realms.) will be sure to attempt to recapture what was lost the way we think it should be done, whenever it's a large scale 'epic' battle during primetime or our pve crew at 6am.

No, I didn´t misread your post at all. In fact, it seems to be you who didn´t read my post properly.
You said it´s amazing that a few pixels are so addictive that people are willing to sacrifice their sleep for it. I said it´s even more amazing that people who claim that they´re not as addicted (following your definition of this addiction) keep complaining here about the very same pixels.
I know you didn´t moan about AC raids. But this board is full of people who do. And they´re all people who - again following your definition - are NOT addicted. Get my point now?

As for the moaning, look inwards before you speak up.

lol

Keep your patronizing crap for yourself please.

 

[Solari]

Well so far I'm experiencing a lot of moaning from your side, not over AC raids - but over posts I made stating my own points of view, you should take your time to actually find something valid to QQ about.
I'm gonna make this my last post on this matter since we could go on forever and it's pointless to keep a discussion of this nature going with people like you since it's really not of any importance.

 

[Thorwyn]

Well so far I'm experiencing a lot of moaning from your side, not over AC raids - but over posts I made stating my own points of view, you should take your time to actually find something valid to QQ about.

Where am I moaning? I`m merely pointing out that I disagree with your post, nothing more, nothing less.
Interesting... your posts are a priori classified as "stating your points of view", whereas any reply to your posts is automatically classified as QQ.

 

[AngelHeal]

im sure the 'oldsko0l'people still know herbals sentance about crushing midgard frontiers after midgard did another ikea raid.
And after albs trying 6 times servers crashing big big big time.

Then the next 7 days midgard had to have a defense of 400+ 24/7 or albion would crush mid

and ofcourse hib had also 2 fg in amg room.. leeching all.


tbh, Midgard spoiled relicraids in OF.... yes yes flame me.. .100% true though.

And in NF... u guys call it ikea raids.. I don't really mind that much. Atleast there's some RvR action. And the relic can be taken back very easy.. u just get 200 hibs upto hill near relic keep.. crush walls with × scouts ×trebs setup traps etc warps etc bombers at entrances.. and keep is secure for attackers.

 

[Calo]

im sure the 'oldsko0l'people still know herbals sentance about crushing midgard frontiers after midgard did another ikea raid.
And after albs trying 6 times servers crashing big big big time.

Then the next 7 days midgard had to have a defense of 400+ 24/7 or albion would crush mid

and ofcourse hib had also 2 fg in amg room.. leeching all.


tbh, Midgard spoiled relicraids in OF.... yes yes flame me.. .100% true though.

And in NF... u guys call it ikea raids.. I don't really mind that much. Atleast there's some RvR action. And the relic can be taken back very easy.. u just get 200 hibs upto hill near relic keep.. crush walls with × scouts ×trebs setup traps etc warps etc bombers at entrances.. and keep is secure for attackers.

so.. care to explain why midgard spoiled relicraids in OF?

 

[Mundokar]

im sure the 'oldsko0l'people still know herbals sentance about crushing midgard frontiers after midgard did another ikea raid.
And after albs trying 6 times servers crashing big big big time.

Then the next 7 days midgard had to have a defense of 400+ 24/7 or albion would crush mid

and ofcourse hib had also 2 fg in amg room.. leeching all.

Dont read the rest of this thread but that week was amazing for the mass-rvr it created. I had loads of fun. To bad the server went Boinkers a couple of times purely due to the number of ppl.

I wouldnt mind having those epic struggles again...

 

[Zede]

With equal numbers on each side, it is impossible for albion to rr either mid or hib, thanks to shrooms & bainshees & warlocks.

and everyone knows it.

 

[Svartmetall]

With equal numbers on each side, it is impossible for albion to rr either mid or hib, thanks to shrooms & bainshees & warlocks.

and everyone knows it.

lol

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Lol, indeed.

Warlocks are a sure sign of armageddon. The end is nigh! Run for the hills!

Warlocks are ANNOYING if you're the one that gets the chambers on your neck, other than that they are a non-issue. Warlocks are not going to get Midgard it's relics back. That'll have to be done by the classes actually do make decent groups and cooperate.

Warlocks are the better archers of the casterclasses. They win the occasional skirmishes, but not wars or battles.

I don't play one, but I'm getting tired of the warlock whines. The game has bigger issues than that class. In case you haven't noticed, Midgard is slowly sliding into a dark black hole, on every server in the world. The fact that it took this long for this to happen over here in Europe is pretty damn amazing. (But then again, we're better than the yanks!

 

[AngelHeal]

so.. care to explain why midgard spoiled relicraids in OF?

...here we go again..

Because.... everytime albion did a PRIME TIME relicraid... 3 weeks later ardamal and crew just fetched it back with some stupid ALARM CLOCK raid.

After albion dooing maybe i think 30 attempts in 1 month getting relic back.. and failed.. (due server etc) and fiiiiiiiiiiinaaaaaaaaalyy got our relic back..

Mids AGAIN did a ALARM CLOCK raid...

When alb does a prime time relic raid.. somehow (i dunno how ofc) mids had allready 200 ppl w8ing inside a keep <wich is normally totally empty>.

Or after that relic raid on alb (1 that went totall perfect)

Had guards pulled from Mjolnir and engaged.. went on door.. within 20 seconds... mid got to see 5 keeps losing.. and albs got the str relic back and mid str relic 2..

now.. what u think mids did after a week orsmt.

they tried a prime time relicraid... wich failed (^^)

and 3 days later... another friggin IKEA raid..

now care to explain how thats not spoiling relicraids in OF?

 

[AngelHeal]

Dont read the rest of this thread but that week was amazing for the mass-rvr it created. I had loads of fun. To bad the server went Boinkers a couple of times purely due to the number of ppl.

I wouldnt mind having those epic struggles again...

same same

 

[>.< Pooned]

Guess you could delete Sorcs then imo ;P playing hib myself, but have to say Sorcs annoy me more then both Warlocks and Bonedancers.

base line stun casters have no problem but think what the rest except base line casters have as a problem tanks other casters maybe ?

 

[AngelHeal]

base line stun casters have no problem but think what the rest except base line casters have as a problem tanks other casters maybe ?

i rather have all those debuffs sorcs ahve and mezz then baseline stun...

and baseline stun on a tank is about 2 sec

 

[>.< Pooned]

i rather have all those debuffs sorcs ahve and mezz then baseline stun...

and baseline stun on a tank is about 2 sec

time to ebay a sorc then ill ebay a warcock and sya around with your ubah debuffs and mezz or ill go with a banshee and hide in a bridge and when u pop booooom y died cause of my ubah aoe that finds everyone even stealthers

 

[Xajorkith]

(After 238 votes.)

Alb = 34% of voters
80% of Albs voted 24/7 raids and 89% of Alb raids are GraveYard raids
20% of Albs voted Epic raids and 11% of Alb raids are Epic raids

Hib = 24% of voters
29% of Hibs voted 24/7 raids and 50% of Hib raids are GraveYard raids.
71% of Hibs voted Epic raids and 50% of Hib raids are Epic raids

Mid = 41% of voters
35% of Mids voted 24/7 raids and 18% of Mid raids are GraveYard raids
65% of Mids voted Epic raids and 82% of Mid raids are Epic raids

Total
24/7 = 48%
Epic = 52%

No surprises really.

Albion which does the vast majority of 2-12 am raids (GraveYard), prefer it that way.

Mids do Prime Time raids, prefer it that way.

Hibs are a bit hypocritical, they say they prefer Epic raids but actually perform themselves a fair degree of GraveYard raids. Being the underdog this is very easy to understand.

Overall the FH population is split almost 50/50, which is why it's always been a contentious issue.

 

[Solari]

(After 238 votes.)

Alb = 34% of voters
80% of Albs voted 24/7 raids and 89% of Alb raids are GraveYard raids
20% of Albs voted Epic raids and 11% of Alb raids are Epic raids

Hib = 24% of voters
29% of Hibs voted 24/7 raids and 50% of Hib raids are GraveYard raids.
71% of Hibs voted Epic raids and 50% of Hib raids are Epic raids

Mid = 41% of voters
35% of Mids voted 24/7 raids and 18% of Mid raids are GraveYard raids
65% of Mids voted Epic raids and 82% of Mid raids are Epic raids

Total
24/7 = 48%
Epic = 52%

No surprises really.

Albion which does the vast majority of 2-12 am raids (GraveYard), prefer it that way.

Mids do Prime Time raids, prefer it that way.

Hibs are a bit hypocritical, they say they prefer Epic raids but actually perform themselves a fair degree of GraveYard raids. Being the underdog this is very easy to understand.

Overall the FH population is split almost 50/50, which is why it's always been a contentious issue.

Close to the truth but there are exceptions. Lately I've experienced small scale raids, 2-3fg's tops and those are never registered as actual raids since the outcome is rarely impressive. Failed raids doesn't always go registered.

Oh btw.. how did you get the % on the actual performed AC or Epic raids if they can even be distinguished? Not that I would be fussed if it's actualyl true, im just wondering.

 

[Xajorkith]

Close to the truth but there are exceptions. Lately I've experienced small scale raids, 2-3fg's tops and those are never registered as actual raids since the outcome is rarely impressive. Failed raids doesn't always go registered.

A very valid point, many many prime time raids have failed, yet as you point out don't get included as the stats are only successes and of course you're more likely to succeed at an Grave Yard raid. Unfortunately unless a relic is moved or a keep taken there is no XML evidence the raid occurred, so I can't include failed raids.

Oh btw.. how did you get the % on the actual performed AC or Epic raids if they can even be distinguished? Not that I would be fussed if it's actually true, im just wondering.

For each successful raid take from GOA XML the time of when relic was brought home, and log it.
http://camelot-europe.goa.com/herald/servers/Excalibur/keeps/relics.xml

This web site helps with identifying when keeps were taken:
http://daoc.pirotess.org/?func=servers_history&server=Excalibur
And it works off this GoA XML:
http://camelot-europe.goa.com/herald/servers/Excalibur/keeps/keeps.xml

From this web site http://daoc.darkzone.net/server/eu/excalibur/ worked out what times in terms of population were.

Prime Time 66-100% population,
Off peak 33->66%
Grave Yard < 33%

I married the two together and that's how the stats were created.

The stats are by no means perfect and only give a general taste of Excals (and more recently Prydwens) Relic activity. Best I can do with what I have to wrk with I'm afraid.

 

[Zede]

Lol, indeed.

Warlocks are a sure sign of armageddon. The end is nigh! Run for the hills!

Warlocks are ANNOYING if you're the one that gets the chambers on your neck, other than that they are a non-issue. Warlocks are not going to get Midgard it's relics back. That'll have to be done by the classes actually do make decent groups and cooperate.

Warlocks are the better archers of the casterclasses. They win the occasional skirmishes, but not wars or battles.

I don't play one, but I'm getting tired of the warlock whines. The game has bigger issues than that class. In case you haven't noticed, Midgard is slowly sliding into a dark black hole, on every server in the world. The fact that it took this long for this to happen over here in Europe is pretty damn amazing. (But then again, we're better than the yanks!

rightyho

if what you say is so true, why oh why do 40% of mid log Warlock alts for keep/tower seiges ? ( open field np) The shear amount of em is astounding.

Time after time, albs have been wiped in seconds thanks to the insta pbaoe from 5 + warlocks at a tower. Albs took a fens tower every night for a week, and this happened every time - skill i tell you skill ! Only reason albs got the relics was cause' it was early am and the warlock zerg was asleep, its that simple. You lose some relics and suddenly mid cluster is sliding into a black hole ? if you had *any* clue about rvr on cluster, you would know the impossible to beat grp is mid ( 3 x sm, 1 x bd, 1 x rm 1 x shamen 2 x healer if im not mistaken)

sooo...wtf are u on about ?

 

[Tesla Monkor]

So you got the relics because the Warlocks were still sleeping?

Yes, we defended Fensalir during normal playing hours. Of course we did. Wouldn't you? Yes, there are a lot of people who apparantly play Warlocks, but it's incidental, really. Last night during RVR, while there was 70+ (Yes, 70, it was our keep so we got the guardspam), Albs waiting for the Mids to go to bed at Bledmeer there was a handful of Warlocks. 5-6, on 50 mids. And they didn't make a damn bit of difference.

It's easy to see why people run warlocks to a defense position, as it's easy killing when people can't reach you. (Cheesy) However, in RVR when there's no way to hide (Anything other than a keep/tower defense), warlocks aren't a bigger issue than any other caster. (You already indicated as much yourself.)

So, yes, 'lol' at your Warlock whine. Again.

 

[Melachi]

Just breezed through an old alarmclock raid, and was funny to see some people with difirent attitudes when the shoe is on the other foot

fucking assholes. Get a life. I know you're underpopulated, but that's no excuse for stealing relics when normal people with normal lives are asleep.

Pathetic excuses from a pathetic realm. you must be really struggling to find anything to take pride in.

But other than that grats on Mids I guess, Seems like alarm clock raids became the norm which is a shame as I like to defend against a large force but am glad now both Mids and Hibs wont be busy in Albion at 6am anymore (taking towers and keeps..) so thats a plus side to it.

 

[Zede]

So you got the relics because the Warlocks were still sleeping?

Yes, we defended Fensalir during normal playing hours. Of course we did. Wouldn't you? Yes, there are a lot of people who apparantly play Warlocks, but it's incidental, really. Last night during RVR, while there was 70+ (Yes, 70, it was our keep so we got the guardspam), Albs waiting for the Mids to go to bed at Bledmeer there was a handful of Warlocks. 5-6, on 50 mids. And they didn't make a damn bit of difference.

It's easy to see why people run warlocks to a defense position, as it's easy killing when people can't reach you. (Cheesy) However, in RVR when there's no way to hide (Anything other than a keep/tower defense), warlocks aren't a bigger issue than any other caster. (You already indicated as much yourself.)

So, yes, 'lol' at your Warlock whine. Again.

check out weekly rp's from warlocks.....5 or 6 + 10 more like....nothing apparent or incidental about it !

 

[Urgluf]

the result is so obvious.. if hib or mid did a "graveyard" raid some days ago the poll would be totally different...

 

[Andrilyn]

Just breezed through an old alarmclock raid, and was funny to see some people with difirent attitudes when the shoe is on the other foot

And my quote had what to do with my opinion about alarm clock raids..?
I just said I found it a shame that I couldn't defend them and that it seemed to be the norm to attack late at night but nowhere I stated that I was against alarm clock raids so I don't see what your point is with quoting me with that.

 

[Marc]

Q: Why did the Alb cross the road?
A: Because the relic was on the other side.

I see santa never brought you the humour transplant you asked for, for crimbo.

 

[Eemma]

We need very big numbers, we don't have it. Was nice showups these former days though when we had relic raid going practically 24/7, maybe things changed.

Never thought I would hear this from an alb!

 

[Aran Thule]

(After 238 votes.)
Hib = 24% of voters
29% of Hibs voted 24/7 raids and 50% of Hib raids are GraveYard raids.
71% of Hibs voted Epic raids and 50% of Hib raids are Epic raids

Hibs are a bit hypocritical, they say they prefer Epic raids but actually perform themselves a fair degree of GraveYard raids. Being the underdog this is very easy to understand.

Hmm dont know what it was like with the hibs in excal but most of the hibs RR on pryd were prime time, however looking at the times can give the wrong opinion.
For example:
The first relic taken NF/pryd was taken in the early morning but we had started early afternoon and after 12+ hours we finally took it. (i was totally knackered after that)

I see you have recorded stats from excal, is there any way now to to the same for pryd and include them, otherwise the info is flawed as your getting both excal/pryd voting and only using relic details from excal.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

well..

PvEing keeps and stuff middle of night isnt hard at all, so I guess it suits most albs. It just is the way it is.

Albs are cowards and weak, it is just a simple fact. We've seen it a million times before so this isnt exactly news, I agree its kinda sad but it is in their right to play the game that way if they wish to do so. Zerg and offhourraids sucks but it seem that part of the game is taking more and more ground every day, be lame and win.

I still blame it 100% on Mythic. For releasing stupid classes like warlocks and not fixing albions groupbuild to easen it up for the poor bastards.

Animists+bains+warcocks+BDs+Keep=no fun for albs, trust me, ive tried that part out enough to know it just aint fun at all so I can understand them for doing silly things like they do. (zerging and offhourraids that is.. stealthzergers are still just plain retards since they have no real reason but retardness to zerg)

Cant really lump an entire realm into one stereotype?

Also CAE + WLpbaoe - albion has nothing that can compete with this in a confined space - i.e. the inner of a keep. Add shrooms into this and albion is by far the weakest in siege warfare overall...

 

[Svartmetall]

Cant really lump an entire realm into one stereotype?

It's typical of the Albs to lump an entire realm into one stereotype

 

[Ashala]

It's typical of the Albs to lump an entire realm into one stereotype

im sure quite alot of quotes would prove that people from all 3 realms blame the entire enemy faction of one realm instead of blaming the few players that was actually the reason for the flaming.