Why run off?

[old.Enigma]

Originally posted by Shike
hmm it is also a question of attitude i think,

If i face 3 enemies alone, nomatter what they con (except all grey)
I charge, If I take 1 down with me, i believe i have won

i cant take down 3 by myself, if one is a skald, I face a stun and a lot of bashing to death, this i know for sure, i talk about yellowcons here. Why do I still charge? well, I prefer to be known as the mofo who never ever give up, than running away from an enemy and be known as the mofo who ran, got catched and cut down from the back.

Running solves nothing, by running u show fear, and fear has no room in a warriors heart.

Attack first, make sure you get the alphastrike, win initiative.... Win a few battles this way, and you will notice one thing, Mids are nothing to fear, neither are Hibs. Only thing that is annoying sometimes is the horseride back.. but on the other hand, you have time to go pee, make coffe, get a coke, and so on If u dont get a rez

Imagine how demoralizing it is for the classes tanks are supposed to protect if the tanks suddenly decide, oh noooo I am gonna diiiiie, get me outta this hellhole! and run off...
I would be so pissed if I was a caster... but thats me.

/slap on back

Come to Midgard you are best suited here. Trying to stop Midgard rushing through the mmg's without assessing whether its a good idea is a task itself. Albion's are all nicely set up at walls and towers and every 30 seconds someone is shouting come on charge. Charging can be a 50/50 affair I prefer to wait until you can work an advantage. 10 people stuck in the gates just make me laugh.

Come to Midgard or at least keep your guild charging towards us we will smile at your bravery

 

[Ottar]

> Why do people run in combat.. or even away from combat ?

> technically its called 'tactical withdrawal from the zone of potential
> conflict'. Amazing aint it.

Nah, ya didn’t answer yer own qouted question, which was “why?” not “what?”

The “why” is not actually not as much “why?” as “why the hell?!”, with an implication that the tactical withdrawal from the zone of conflict resulted in less than optimal outcome of the battle.

The cause of such an event can be either misjudgement if a judgement was made at all, based on false information of strength of ones forces as compared to that of the adversary or as it is in most cases - mis-reaction. Reactions form in the course of practice, so if a person is forced to retreat enough times, he is likely to do so again, regardless if retreat was advisable at those circumstances. In case of albs vs. mids, the level superiority we enjoyed and to an extent still have, is the likeliest reason why albinian warrior’s first impulse might be to turn tail.

Not that this is all that relevant anymore. Times have changed and I find myself running away from people about as often as chasing them. If there ever was a problem with alb and to a lesser extent mid forces, it’s lack of agressiveness. Not quite the same thing as running - it’s more like sitting on one’s arse for 10 minutes before making a move. The reason behind that is it’s very hard and stressfull to provide any kind of competent tactical leadership over a chat interface at speeds the combat takes place. This game would be much better off with built-in voice communication.

Ottar

 

[_tindel_]

Biggles ran away from me and he's a ******* redcon ffs, and when he met another alb (orangecon) he turned around and they killed me, lol sigh

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by ivan_tribbiani
Why do people run in combat.. or even away from combat ?

Well just found out that technically.... technically its called 'tactical withdrawal from the zone of potential conflict'. Amazing aint it.

Mmmm, Ivan you use a lot of modern military terminology - but it doesn't apply in a Dark Ages/Medieval setting. All the Mids or Hibs do is gank the minstrel first, kill him, and then catch up with the rest who are still running away with their heads between their arses back to the PK.

For all the difference it makes may as well stand and fight.

 

[dunderklumpen]

Originally posted by Shike
hmm it is also a question of attitude i think,

If i face 3 enemies alone, nomatter what they con (except all grey)
I charge, If I take 1 down with me, i believe i have won

i cant take down 3 by myself, if one is a skald, I face a stun and a lot of bashing to death, this i know for sure, i talk about yellowcons here. Why do I still charge? well, I prefer to be known as the mofo who never ever give up, than running away from an enemy and be known as the mofo who ran, got catched and cut down from the back.

Running solves nothing, by running u show fear, and fear has no room in a warriors heart.

Attack first, make sure you get the alphastrike, win initiative.... Win a few battles this way, and you will notice one thing, Mids are nothing to fear, neither are Hibs. Only thing that is annoying sometimes is the horseride back.. but on the other hand, you have time to go pee, make coffe, get a coke, and so on If u dont get a rez

Imagine how demoralizing it is for the classes tanks are supposed to protect if the tanks suddenly decide, oh noooo I am gonna diiiiie, get me outta this hellhole! and run off...
I would be so pissed if I was a caster... but thats me.

Oh and how i just LOVE running.. haha.. we use opposite tactics you and me... I never charge unless i am completly sure of victory .. otherwise i run like crazy to save my skin

 

[Danya]

What really gets me is Albs never learn, they always run and we always die because of them running and still they run.

 

[old.Rhonvan]

Having a plan and being organized enough to follow through with it doesnt help if the plan is a lousy one.

The Brilliant tactical Talents arent growing on the Trees in Albion to put it nicely.
Even when its a plain hunt of mobs we have a nack of taking a simple thing and turning it into a mass suicide.
I think thats what makes 10 Albs run from one Midd. We know he has a good plan.

 

[Ottar]

> The Brilliant tactical Talents arent growing on the Trees
> in Albion to put it nicely.

Aint any better in Midgard. Even if there were some, they would give up trying after an attempt or two.

> I think thats what makes 10 Albs run from one Midd.
> We know he has a good plan.

Kidding right? Just logged off after two consecutive attempts to re-take Arvakr. Both times we died on hibbie PBAoE in the bloody lord’s room. Even considering the PBAoE in a bottlenect where there really can’t be anything that can be done about the bloody casters up there, we could have probably killed them off by brute force. Only thing we had to do was to rush up there TOGETHER. Which is what we failed to do TWICE in a bloody row. So much for middie organization.

Ottar

 

[Shike]

Oh and how i just LOVE running.. haha.. we use opposite tactics you and me... I never charge unless i am completly sure of victory .. otherwise i run like crazy to save my skin

lol

I have seen yer back a couple of times now

and Enigma... If you ever see one from my guild run from a battle, please tell me, my guess is you wont see that
I know its hard for you to recognize us, especially now since so many have copied our guilduniform we have
Crimson red helm, boots, breastplate, gauntlets and silvery leggings and sleeves, with a crimson/creamy splitted emblem and a dragon.

/em kicks a lot of ppl in the butt for beeing so bloody "original" and wearing _exactly_ the same colours as we do.

 

[Lydek]

You were joking when you said that Paladins could heal right?

I think the main reason people play Paladins is because they have played other (single player) RPGs, where Paladins are pretty much always the uber class. They think it will be the same here so they roll one up and xp easily up to a pretty high lvl. Then it hits them, despite how easy it is to xp they do in fact suck in RvR.

As for Friars, well they're pretty much a myth anyway... Always good when a stupid SB tries to PA one and gets beaten to death by their staff though


The main reason I'm back on this thread is to say how sickened I was at the mmg last night though. A Mid force was standing off against a (probably) slightly superior Alb force. We definitely had the stronger tactical position and were in a very rare situation for an Alb force, we had AE CC.

The stand off went on for a few minutes before the yell went up 'Retreat to DC'. My group held its ground, hoping the sight of people standing firm would rally our allies. To no avail though, our cowardly brethen would rather run than fight. Pathetic behaviour.

As the Mids charged through the mg we tried to make our own escape, but we were vastly outnumbered and were quickly overrun.

What sickens me even more though is that I see more and more in myself the stereotype that many of the realm hold towards my guild. I am increasingly reluctant to do anything at all outside an environment controlled by my guild, whether it be PvE raiding or RvR. This 'elitist' attitude isn't formed out of any sort of spite or malice, I would love to be able to group with any member of my realm and feel confident in their ability. At the moment though the only thing I feel confident of is that they will disappear when they are really needed. Of course there are people that I do trust beyond the boundaries of my own guild, but they are few and Albion is many.

To regain my respect Albion, you must grow a backbone.

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by ivan_tribbiani
Why do people run in combat.. or even away from combat ?

Well just found out that technically.... technically its called 'tactical withdrawal from the zone of potential conflict'. Amazing aint it.

Turamber

One short word -----> Sarcasm

 

[Danya]

I have to say I agree with Lydek here, after last night MMG lameness and then similar lameness at AMG a bit later I am very reluctant to join a group in emain that isn't entirely sotl, simply because there's too much likelihood of then running away and getting me killed. Call it elitist if you wish but I don't find /release lots due to cowardice particularly exciting.

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

To those of you who think that RvR === Jogging there and back and shouting Mids !! Mids !!

One blunt question : How on Earth are you planning to ever get that RR4 even ? No Pain - No Gain, live with it !!!

 

[old.Rhonvan]

Ooh Damn Ottar you guys dont have a good plan either?? *thinks for a moment* But if you dont have good plans either then WHO Has the good plans


I know how people keep bashing Paladins and say we Sux in Rvr but I have to my surprise noticed that with my current realmpoints 26000 at lvl 43 Im pretty high on the rating for a Tank char*flex strut Prance*. Almost all of these points I have personally Bashed in heads to get.

Lydek: Good for you you Like you Guild =) I dont think its elitist to want to rvr with people that you know and also know how they react in Stressed sittuations. And your guild does alot of hunting together.
But this trust issue you mention works both ways. I have been grouped with SotL people and suddenly found myself alone facing some Bigboobed troll Lady Slapping me with her bra.
But thats just those people. I dont start judging a whole guild on a few players that. In SotL like in all big guilds there are Nice great people and then there are people where you wonder if they bought the account with a lvl 50 char already on it *chuckles*



In Rvr I dont care what what guild your from, if your dead Ill ress you if you need help Ill help. If we start stopping to check if people have the right Bullseye on their back before helping its gone beyond Guild loyalty and into the Moronzone.

 

[Ottar]

> But if you dont have good plans either then WHO Has the good plans

Mythic?

> How on Earth are you planning to ever get that RR4 even ?

Exactly. Next patch aint that far. Next Patch brings Realm Abilities. I am 7k rp short of BOTH Purge and Ignore Pain. Come next patch, you guys will really have reason to run!

Ottar

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by Lydek

The stand off went on for a few minutes before the yell went up 'Retreat to DC'. My group held its ground, hoping the sight of people standing firm would rally our allies. To no avail though, our cowardly brethen would rather run than fight. Pathetic behaviour.

To regain my respect Albion, you must grow a backbone.

Was suffering with game crashes and LD's last night, I had just logged back on and was standing on DC's hill top wondering where half the people had gone, and suddenly lots of death messages started flashing up

Sounds to me as if there were 2 problems there --- (1) Half of Albion's preference for peaceful amicable solutions over actually (God forbid) fighting & (2) Lack of leadership on the battlefield.

Lydek, did you issue any counterorders? I know that whenever I'm out skirmishing I'll always listen out for instructions/advice from SoTL... you chaps know what you're doing, as opposed to far too many of our realmmates.

 

[Col|]

My GM was in Emain last night, he mentioned something about a couple of Sorcs there (dunno the names, he didn't give them), and while one of the Sorcs was being beaten on by a low con Mid, the other Sorc was nuking away like mad, instead of Mezzing the group of mids that were about 10 yards away from them, go figure.

 

[Turamber]

Sorcerers nuking ? Do they do that ?

 

[old.marteeny]

Its about all we're gonna be able to do after future patching

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by Turamber
Sorcerers nuking ? Do they do that ?

What ? you didnt know ? He forgot to mention that by Sorcerers nuke he means : Sorcerer was trying to melee the mid to death with an ugly stick.