Why ppl need GOD!!!!

[Illtar]

I think is important to do one big distinsion.

Faith and religion is very different beasts.

Faith is a great thing, and very human being nees faith in something, or it will live in despair and carelessness.

Religion is a state invented way of supressing people, and sucks major ass. (really)

 

[Morchaoron]

I don't believe in discussions about religions.

It gets you nowhere, it changes nothing and people should learn to leave other people the f*ck alone.

people are completely free to discuss if they want, and if someone doesnt like it, he will have to leave them the f*ck alone...

ive had these discussions a 100 times and unlike what you claim, they do get you somewhere, they do teach you something, and one thing i dont believe in anymore, is discussing with you 'teh seel'.... (people shouldnt talk about 9/11, people shouldnt talk about relegion, or not even laugh about some butt ugly face someone has in his avatar, damn im so happy this guy doesnt run FH -_- )

 

[noblok]

I think you're wrong about we're not being machines. We are imo, very complex ones. Well, I don't mean someone built us, but we are biological machines, who are just products of evolution.

I can't agree with this. If we are machines, we have no free will and as a result no responsibility. If you consider human beings as only a complex biological machines, you also remove every possibility for a morale. I simply can't accept that.

This could probably be considered as faith. It's impossible to porve that we're not machines, since all scientific proof proves determinism. This is due to the way science works, so my ideas can impossibly be proven with scietific arguements.

 

[Infanity]

People need something to look up to, When they say god its more of a phsycological thing they are thinking of.

 

[mikke]

lol, i dont think all cristians FEAR God.

 

[noblok]

it can be explained, its the fear of the unknown, when we have shitty lives, diseases, think we are in great danger or worry about death, we start to 'believe', we give ourselves (false) hope, that takes a bit of the stress and pain away because we think things will turn out fine (or at least we hope) because 'some power' will come save us or at least our souls if we happen to die...

....which is only natural, stress is bad for us, shortens our lives, and this is the way the body deals with it, its a perfect solution, just too bad for me i dont fall for it ;p

Hrm, that's a very Marxist view on religion I'm not convinced that this is the only reason people become religious. I think it also works the other way around. People see how beautiful life is and they experience this as created by/full of some greater force.

 

[DocWolfe]

lol, i dont think all cristians FEAR God.

They do fear not going to heaven though.

 

[Morchaoron]

. I think it also works the other way around. People see how beautiful life is and they experience this as created by/full of some greater force.

well, we make our lives 'beautiful' by fullfilling these needs we have, needs that are necessary to keep us alive, thats kinda why these needs exist and why we can get statification from them...

 

[noblok]

I didn't quite understand you there . What needs are you talking about and how do they make our lives beautiful?

 

[Morchaoron]

take an animal for example, it needs food to survive, and therefor it needs to be able to experience the feeling 'hunger', if it would not hunger it would not eat, and would die...
eating food statisfies this hunger and gives it a good feeling (same as we humans have when we eat food)...

we have these needs (or desires or whatever you wanna call them) for a reason (survival), and fullfilling them gives us a good feeling, which is more of a biological reason then a spiritual ;p

 

[noblok]

I didn't quite mean that kind of good feeling though. I just think that sometimes everything seems to be so perfect that it seems like there's some greater force behind it all. I don't think that the only reason religion exists, is as a way of escape. Sometimes people have these 'spiritual' experiences which 'show' them that there is a god.

Off course these experiences aren't solid proof, I don't think these people reason "Life's good, ergo there is a god" either. I think the real motivation is in the way we experience our life. Becoming religious through reasoning seems conrtadictory to me. I think it's got more to do with some sort of sensibility.

 

[old.Tohtori]

people are completely free to discuss if they want, and if someone doesnt like it, he will have to leave them the f*ck alone...

ive had these discussions a 100 times and unlike what you claim, they do get you somewhere, they do teach you something, and one thing i dont believe in anymore, is discussing with you 'teh seel'.... (people shouldnt talk about 9/11, people shouldnt talk about relegion, or not even laugh about some butt ugly face someone has in his avatar, damn im so happy this guy doesnt run FH -_- )

Ok, reality check here.

Never said you shouldn't discuss it, please do, i just personally don't go into these things. Mainly 'cause i get so much slack of my choice in beliefs.

9/11: Said that people just should be careful about what they say. Meant atleast, sorry if it seemed otherwise.

I do find laughing at people a bit rude, but it doesn't mean other people can't.

Just because i air out my opinions on things, doesn't mean i'm saying you all suck for doing/thinking otherwise.

Ok?

And don't mix "teh seel" with me. Teh Seel is a different "character" of sorts i get into.

P.S. I'm glad i don't run this place either.

 

[Mas]

If God is that spaceship behind the clouds that takes us all to nirvana then thats cool, its nothing more or less. Its just a belief that someone has in somone/something. If following or taking for word 2000+ yr old documents that have several translations, editions and evaluations read by men in purple dresses and robes in big rooms with coloured windows is your thing then thats fine by me.

 

[Raven]

trying not to upset anyone here, but...
if you need to turn to "god" whenever you have a problem then there really is no hope for you, sort your own problems out, dont wait around for a mythical being to help you, you will get no where and the problem will be even harder to deal with.
I have nothing against god botherers, but they are living in a dream world, he does not exist, period.
The sooner humanity ditches religion the sooner we as a species can learn to get on with each other.

 

[noblok]

I have nothing against god botherers, but they are living in a dream world, he does not exist, period.

Strong statement, considering you have no proof to support it.

 

[pip]

Just when you thought you was happy knock knock the friggin god squad like to think there will allways be a place for me in heaven Hope they got dark age of camp alot up there and fh

 

[Gorbachioo]

Strong statement, considering you have no proof to support it.

And do you have proof to support the fact that god does excist?

Its impossible to scientificly prove that god doesnt excist, but luckily theres no need to. Science doesnt work that way. Those who say god does excist are the ones who should be able to prove it too. Not the other way around.

Saying that you cant prove he doesnt excist is a very poor argument -,-

 

[Raven]

when someone proves that god exists i will believe in him/her/whatever, but i would never lead my life according to the church. Also, the fact that "god" was invented for a book when chistianity evolved from sun worship leads me to believe its a story, a story that has held us back for so many years. there is more proof that elvis is still alive than there is that god exists.

 

[Benedictine]

god does not exist

I retired years ago

 

[noblok]

And do you have proof to support the fact that god does excist?

Its impossible to scientificly prove that god doesnt excist, but luckily theres no need to. Science doesnt work that way. Those who say god does excist are the ones who should be able to prove it too. Not the other way around.

Saying that you cant prove he doesnt excist is a very poor argument -,-

I don't believe in a god myself, but it is impossible to be sure he doesn't exist. Therefore saying "God doesn't exist, period" is just silly.

Science actually works more that way than you'd think at first sight anyway. If you say something exists in science, it's up to others to prove that it doesn't. If it can't be proven that it doesn't exist. Nobody has ever proven that gravity exists, it's a hypothesis which appears to work.

(I am not saying that God's existance can be proven scientifically. I'm just saying that the reason why it isn't, is not because you have to prove he exists rather than the other way around.)

 

[noblok]

when someone proves that god exists i will believe in him/her/whatever, but i would never lead my life according to the church. Also, the fact that "god" was invented for a book when chistianity evolved from sun worship leads me to believe its a story, a story that has held us back for so many years. there is more proof that elvis is still alive than there is that god exists.

Religion is much more than christianity. I am not telling you to believe in a god. I can't understand myself why people believe in something when they have no scientific proof either.

You said yourself though: christianity evolved from sun worship. This sun worship is religion too. Apparently some people need a god to account for their experience. There is no reason to look down on this.

 

[Raven]

i dont look down on it, maybe it came accross a bit strong, which i am sorry for, if people want to believe in god then thats fine, they should not however try and ram it down everyones throats or try to convert them in some way. i went to a CE (church of england) primary school so got my daily dose of it all, i was also forced to go to sunday school and church. maybe this is why i feel so strongly about it

 

[Gorbachioo]

I don't believe in a god myself, but it is impossible to be sure he doesn't exist. Therefore saying "God doesn't exist, period" is just silly.

Science actually works more that way than you'd think at first sight anyway. If you say something exists in science, it's up to others to prove that it doesn't. If it can't be proven that it doesn't exist. Nobody has ever proven that gravity exists, it's a hypothesis which appears to work.

(I am not saying that God's existance can be proven scientifically. I'm just saying that the reason why it isn't, is not because you have to prove he exists rather than the other way around.)

No science does not work that way -,- If you make a statement, it is up to you to prove it or it will be considered false. NOT the other way around.

Prove that i dont have a dragon in my carage.

 

[noblok]

No science does not work that way -,- If you make a statement, it is up to you to prove it or it will be considered false. NOT the other way around.

Prove that i dont have a dragon in my carage.

Science works with falsification and corroboration. If you have a hypothesis which works to explain certain facts and fits within the current set of hypothesises and theories and if it is possible to falsify, it's accepted. You don't have to prove it's true, simply because it's impossible.

You cannot prove anything with 100% certainy, except the existence of your own mind.

 

[confused]

There is infact more evidence that Jesus did exist than that Julius Ceasar did, Its written in many places that he did etc, but being the sun of God.... well thats for everybody to make their own minds up

 

[Gorbachioo]

Science works with falsification and corroboration. If you have a hypothesis which works to explain certain facts and fits within the current set of hypothesises and theories and if it is possible to falsify, it's accepted. You don't have to prove it's true, simply because it's impossible.

You cannot prove anything with 100% certainy, except the existence of your own mind.

Proving that something excists is easier than proving that something doesnt excist.

If i would say that there is a donkey in the center of the sun. How would you prove that wrong with 100% certainty? It would be considered false because theres no way for me to prove it either. In science you either prove what you say or it will not be taken seriously.

 

[noblok]

That's why corroboration and the possibility to falsify the statement are needed as well, but corroboration != proof. There is no hard proof for anything but the existence of your own mind.

 

[Morchaoron]

There is no hard proof for anything but the existence of your own mind.

And the existence of things in your mind, which is exactly what believing is about xD

also, you dont even need to proof anything about relegion, the number of 'beliefs' there are is a contradiction to itself, i mean, there are multiple ways the earth is created according to the different 'beliefs', which one is right? or more importantly: which single one is (MAYBE) not wrong?

you cannot prove which one is wrong, but you know that with all the different versions, only one has the POSSIBILITY of being right...

 

[noblok]

True, but everything which exists in your mind is nothing but a part of your mind (thoughts). This means that everything you consider to exist, except for your mind is based on belief . There still is a distinction between belief and faith though.

Religion is about more than how the earth was created as well. The core of every religion is belief in something transcendental, so if you only look at this part they can all be right . When looking at the 'rules' and details of every religion, only one can possibly be right, but that's not the most important aspect. People too easily identify religion with institutionalised religions which speak about things outside of their reach (i.e. scientific subjects).

(Nerf your edits )

 

[Dandare]

Personnaly I don't believe in god but don't blame anyone if they have there beliefs.

I used to srt of get it in school and RE but then found out all the different religions etc and thought hmmmm.

My belief now is I'm gonna win the lottery and pray each night to Camelot and and lucky dip machine