Why not make all servers like gorre ?

[SevenSins]

If they made 1 more "official" server like Gorre is now (excluding realm ranks, but including ML's/Arti's and free levelups), they'd have to rework the Realm Rank system, and add a giant Duel arena.

Duel arena? Yeah, Duel arena. Why? Because I want a bloody crossrealmed Duel arena

Seriously though, DAoC is a Mix of PvE and RvR, even though people will always dislike either (I can tell you enough folks that'd like to get rid of RvR as it is, they just don't come on FH), that doesn't mean that the small handfull of folks with biased opinions should get what they want, not like you'll get it, that's a second, but if you somehow even have the slightest cell of working brain in your head, you'd know PvE without RvR is not DAoC, nor the other way around, doing this however makes a complete new game not worth of the name Dark Age of Camelot, you'd have to call it Dark Age of Frag-a-lot, as that's what you'd be doing all, day, long.

And if RvR was removed it'd be called Dark Age of Camp-a-lot, as that's what you'd be doing all, day, long.

Think about it

 

[Chronictank]

That's a good argument except that you forgot one little thing: The patch currently on gorre is NEW FRONTIERS and the whole point of that patch is, as the name implies, new frontier zones, new keeps, new siege, new realm abilities, different RvR balancers. I wonder how you test something like that? I know, I know! YOU RVR IN THE FRONTIER! GOA understands this obviously since they opened it to everyone and gave free 50/rr6, to bad such an "elite tester" like you don't get it.

The server isnt gona be for the sole purpose of testing NF is it? If it was left open to you to play on where will the real testing be done?

Besides, I bet enough dumbasses like you have tested those lvl 30whatever artis that noone cares about, not to mention that all of the above have been tested 100 times more already when it was on pendragon, and last I checked translating english to english wasn't all that hard.

Since you obviously have no idea what you are talking about heres some enlightenment, testing for french and german translations are also done on gorre.
If you want a list of things to test and play with the new things before they go onto the live servers:
http://daoc.goa.com/en/

 

[SethNaket]

The server isnt gona be for the sole purpose of testing NF is it? If it was left open to you to play on where will the real testing be done?

Right now it is, yes. And why would letting everyone in have anything to do with your "real" testing anyway? As I already said, go do some toa encounters if that's what you want to test, the rest of us will the the actual patch which is the RvR part. What the other people do doesn't affect you.

Since you obviously have no idea what you are talking about heres some enlightenment, testing for french and german translations are also done on gorre.

Since you obviously can't read, I'll say it again. He was trying to belittle the people who are testing on Gorre NOW. That test is up to find bugs related to NEW FRONTIERS and since it's in english there are NO TRANSLATIONS to bugreport. Obviously the answer will be no to all his questions since he's asking about things that the current test isn't for, and that have already been tested before the server was opened up to everyone.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Why not? The US players have had pendragon like, forever. They test alot more stuff than we do (every patch), buggier patches, it's open to everyone and it doesn't seem like the end of the world have hit them yet atleast.


That's a good argument except that you forgot one little thing: The patch currently on gorre is NEW FRONTIERS and the whole point of that patch is, as the name implies, new frontier zones, new keeps, new siege, new realm abilities, different RvR balancers. I wonder how you test something like that? I know, I know! YOU RVR IN THE FRONTIER! GOA understands this obviously since they opened it to everyone and gave free 50/rr6, to bad such an "elite tester" like you don't get it.

Besides, I bet enough dumbasses like you have tested those lvl 30whatever artis that noone cares about, not to mention that all of the above have been tested 100 times more already when it was on pendragon, and last I checked translating english to english wasn't all that hard.


Finally we get to the real reason you wouldn't want the current Gorre to be permanent. You're special cause you're an E&E and get to test stuff on Gorre. Forgive us your highness, the rest of us obviously aren't worthy to set foot on your server.

All completely wrong. Firstly, this isnt JUST about NF, this is testing translations, quests, artifacts, bugs, code placements, realm abilities in general and ML abilities, as well as fixing existing problems with the code. Your narrow minded view of what testing is about is selfish to say the least.

No one cares about the level 30 artifacts, well newsflash anyone who IS level 30 would, thats all the new players - yes there are some out there beleive it or not who havnt been PLd or ill gained from ebay - and some of us have alts that prefer the BGs to regular RvR. No matter, they still require testing whether you want it or not.

Translations have to be done to 3 languages idiot, the US doesnt use correct English, and some mob names are signifacantly different over here, so get that right.

Your balancing issues in RvR, newsfalsh again, thats set up by MYTHICS CODING DEPARTMENT and not by GOA on Gorre, so you shoot yourself in the foot on that one as that part of the game HAS been tested on Pendragon. So the code we have already has that. Want to test this more, move to the US.

The reason I wouldnt want it permanent is simple, because at least us serious testers can get on it without you there, you and your 3 buffbots, your m8s buffbots and half of germany (no offence to Germans, its a joke) who set their beach towels on the keep walls at 3am to reserve a spot.

As for me being Elite as you say, sorry, but I like to help my community by testing before a patch goes live and assholes like you dont sit for hours righnowing useless spam about a thing thats bugged cause you want your uber template to wtfpwn everyone. US E&E spend OUR time helping you lot with little thanks, even though we dont actually want any, we are here helping others. We try to help GOA make the transition as good as possible, with as few bugs as possible. All you have helped test is the lag factor, and prove beyond doubt greed makes this game tick. Its not that you are unworthy, but in your case, undeserving.

 

[SethNaket]

All completely wrong. Firstly, this isnt JUST about NF, this is testing translations, quests, artifacts, bugs, code placements, realm abilities in general and ML abilities, as well as fixing existing problems with the code. Your narrow minded view of what testing is about is selfish to say the least.

More useless nonsense. The current testing on gorre IS about what I said. If it wasn't, GOA wouldn't have invited everyone and given free 50/rr6/loot.

No one cares about the level 30 artifacts, well newsflash anyone who IS level 30 would, thats all the new players - yes there are some out there beleive it or not who havnt been PLd or ill gained from ebay - and some of us have alts that prefer the BGs to regular RvR. No matter, they still require testing whether you want it or not.

Which once again, have already been done by the "real" testers and not the purpose of opening up new frontiers for everyone to test. Also those same encounters can be tested regardless of wether there are 1000 people rvring in the frontier or not.

Translations have to be done to 3 languages idiot, the US doesnt use correct English, and some mob names are signifacantly different over here, so get that right.

And again, idiot, the patch on Gorre is the ENGLISH version so of course you sound like a retard when you're asking people how many have reported TRANSLATION ERRORS. Jesus.

Your balancing issues in RvR, newsfalsh again, thats set up by MYTHICS CODING DEPARTMENT and not by GOA on Gorre, so you shoot yourself in the foot on that one as that part of the game HAS been tested on Pendragon. So the code we have already has that. Want to test this more, move to the US.

I see, so if you say something is to be tested (like a lvl 30 toa encounter) then that's good. But if I say something is to be tested (like I dunno, NEW FRONTIERS) then it's not ok cause it's "MYTHICS CODING DEPARTMENT"? Way to contradict yourself you moron.

The reason I wouldnt want it permanent is simple, because at least us serious testers can get on it without you there, you and your 3 buffbots, your m8s buffbots and half of germany (no offence to Germans, its a joke) who set their beach towels on the keep walls at 3am to reserve a spot.

No, the reason is just that you don't want any other kids playing in your sandbox cause that makes you feel less special for being selected as a tester.

As for me being Elite as you say, sorry,

I didn't say you were, I said you act like you are. That sarcasm obviously flew right over your head just like everything else, so I'll write it more clearly: You're not special, you seem about as elite as pool of mud.

but I like to help my community by testing before a patch goes live and assholes like you dont sit for hours righnowing useless spam about a thing thats bugged cause you want your uber template to wtfpwn everyone. US E&E spend OUR time helping you lot with little thanks, even though we dont actually want any, we are here helping others. We try to help GOA make the transition as good as possible, with as few bugs as possible. All you have helped test is the lag factor, and prove beyond doubt greed makes this game tick. Its not that you are unworthy, but in your case, undeserving.

General advice: once you've got your char all geared up and ready to go, port to the NF zones asap. Don't test in the SI zones, you'll only be helping to crash the zone. If you want to duel, go to the NF zones and do it there.

Burn them all! Damn them for doing what GOA asked them to do! What they really should be doing is obviously to go do toa encounters, exp without pl or BBs, and find every instance of misspelled "colour"! All while porting to the NF zones as quickly as possible so I guess it's a race against time aswell. Who can do 8.10 the fastest?

I got nothing against volunteers who help out and I'm sure most E&E are nice and helpful people. I got something against retarded volunteers like you who think they perform some vital service and that nothing would work without you, and eventhough you repeat "we don't want any thanks" you jump on every opportunity to belittle anyone who isn't in your little group of "real" testers. I'm fairly sure that of the non-E&E's on our servers, there are many many players with more experience testing games than you and who would make much better testers, but they're not E&E so they're not allowed to play in your sandbox.

 

[Helme]

This idea of a server would be extremly dull after 2-3 weeks when you tried every possible specc for every possible class ingame. And about the level 30 artifacts.. some of them are actually nice so dont whine on them mmkay?

Just for you i putted the decent stats in.

(Gem of lost Memories)
2% melee/spell/archer damage
2% melee style damage/spell range/archery range
And on top of that an crowdcontrol reduction buff and cure ressurection sickness and con loss.

the other two is not as good for level 50's maybe but for level 30s thiere godmode. And i atleast wouldt mind having this gem in my template.

btw. this one made me giggle

there are many many players with more experience testing games than you and who would make much better testers, but they're not E&E so they're not allowed to play in your sandbox.

Like you then? you seem to be pretty experienced in spamming G&G's

 

[Chronictank]

Right now it is, yes. And why would letting everyone in have anything to do with your "real" testing anyway? As I already said, go do some toa encounters if that's what you want to test, the rest of us will the the actual patch which is the RvR part. What the other people do doesn't affect you.

NEW PATCHES MEANS NEW TESTING REQUIRED

When those 2 braincells floating round your head finally collide and create thought look at the below equation:
People Like You + Limited Capacity Server = Server Full
Server Full = No testing of the new patches

 

[Morchaoron]

That's retarded. The only people who would actually "get bored and quit" are the gimps who only play daoc to pve and who see getting level 50 "the hard way" as some kind of achievement (in other words the ones who still don't get that EQ will always have 100x better pve). So it basically means we would lose Svartmetall, and that's not a bad thing. Then again you're not forced to use the Gold&Glory "balls" anyway so the pve gimps could play the game exactly the same way they do now, just don't use them.

it would not really be a mmo ---> rpg anymore, it will have that vital part missing and it will simply be nothing more then a mass team deathmatch game with a rather crappy engine and freedom compared to other deathmatch games (and with that i mean daocs 'select target and press the action you want your characther to perform' thing) and i doubt that will be enough to keep players hooked to this game, it will not be a real rpg anymore and it will lose a tremendous amount of players...

companies need to make cash to to keep products like these running and for that reason it will never happen, no company is stupid enough to sign its own doom in such a way...

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Its hardly MY sandbox, its a testbed, not for you to test your own personal gains, but for the benefit of the live servers. Without testing it takes longer to patch, more whines, and everyone in euro falling over themselves saying "oh dear now we are 3 patches behind!".

If you feel in anyway belittled by my opinions, then some of what I say must be true. Truth hurts doesnt it.

Which once again, have already been done by the "real" testers and not the purpose of opening up new frontiers for everyone to test. Also those same encounters can be tested regardless of wether there are 1000 people rvring in the frontier or not.

While I agree with you in part here, it still detracts from the point of testing all the changes in 1.70, read the patch notes, theres more than Just NF. Yes these things are tested back in the states, but what fuss would you make IF they didnt when patched here? Artifacts not working is a major bugbere for all, read the rest of the forums, heres your chance to test the gathering and spawn rates before it goes live and you find it doesnt work. Or for a lesser used ML abilty, or RA, or proc....just because it works in the US, does not mean it will work here. Classic example, the keep resets lately havnt been seen in the US...hence new bug.

And again, idiot, the patch on Gorre is the ENGLISH version so of course you sound like a retard when you're asking people how many have reported TRANSLATION ERRORS. Jesus.

So its always been English? Or will always be. What happens when it changes to German, then your going to complain you cant read it? LOL! Gorre normally tests all three languages (4 soon!) and so you can look forward to shouting "shpreken ze English" (sorry I dont know how to spell it ) real soon.

I see, so if you say something is to be tested (like a lvl 30 toa encounter) then that's good. But if I say something is to be tested (like I dunno, NEW FRONTIERS) then it's not ok cause it's "MYTHICS CODING DEPARTMENT"? Way to contradict yourself you moron.

Learn to read moron, I said RvR and balancing issues, which is game dynamics, not the test to see whether the items and maps work. NF is part of the testing, that I didnt deny, you claimed its about testing game dynamics, which is coded by MYTHIC.

I didn't say you were, I said you act like you are. That sarcasm obviously flew right over your head just like everything else, so I'll write it more clearly: You're not special, you seem about as elite as pool of mud.

When have I waved my E&E flag in anyones face, Im just another player, but one who gives a shit about his fellow players and does his bit to help others. Sarcasm is the lowest form of whit, yes Im a sarcatic bastard atthe best of times, but you lower yourself well beyond me, as only you understood your own sarcasm.

I got nothing against volunteers who help out and I'm sure most E&E are nice and helpful people. I got something against retarded volunteers like you who think they perform some vital service and that nothing would work without you, and eventhough you repeat "we don't want any thanks" you jump on every opportunity to belittle anyone who isn't in your little group of "real" testers. I'm fairly sure that of the non-E&E's on our servers, there are many many players with more experience testing games than you and who would make much better testers, but they're not E&E so they're not allowed to play in your sandbox.

im sure there are better qualified players than me to test, I volunteered to help, and afaik I do my bit for everyone. As for vital service, hardly, as stated, its a volunteer role, and as such I do what I can, when I can, ask for help, I do my best, want me to try something, i'll try it, ask the impossible, nah. This isnt about my little sandbox, or the E&E title, its about Gorre, and my own opinion as to why testing should be kept behind closed doors. I stated the facts regarding normal testing, for past, present and future patches, and you just cant see why. So Ill try and break it down.

1) Gorres database tests all the server setups, ofter the char database is reset, ppl will complain.
2) Its tested in German, French and English, soon Spanish too. When ist not English, ppl will complain.
3) Testing can be about certain elements, if a zone is taken off for a reason, ppl will complain.
4) The server is a bit old, ppl willcomplain.
5) If Gorre has to go down for a week. ppl will complain.
6) When Gorre is changed to the char base from Excal to Prydwen, ppl will complain.

Theres more, but seeing the amount of gripes about just getting onto Gorre, Id say to see the fan mail if this was to happen.

Perhaps GOA might do this, if they do Ill repect their decision, and move with it. I only voiced my opinion, liek it or lump it.

 

[Tsabo]

Why not make all servers like the gorre server with all the enhancements that gorre currently provides.

Thank god not everyone in the world is as thick as you.

 

[Teh FnoRd]

When those 2 braincells floating round your head finally collide...

Actually, from reading SethNakets, shall we say random ramblings, I'd say it's 1 braincell, it's just that it got multiple personas and fights alot with itself(s).
But by all means SethNaket, go ahead and dig yourself even deeper with strong insults of peeps trying to explain to you what's what and what's not.
Haven't seen someone made themself look this silly in a long time.
Oh btw SethNaket. Do take your time and read up on the 1.70 patch notes. I'd say that about 60% of it is about NF only, rest (that is about 40% if your to lazy to figure out that yourself) is about bugfixes and Clasic, Shrouded Isles and ToA updates. :touch:

 

[SethNaket]

Like you then? you seem to be pretty experienced in spamming G&G's

I don't know, cause I don't know how much testing whoodoo has done in the past. I've only been invited to closed alpha/beta on 3 games prior to starting with DAOC and that may or may not be more experienced than him. I am however sure that there are many who ARE more experienced than him.

NEW PATCHES MEANS NEW TESTING REQUIRED

When those 2 braincells floating round your head finally collide and create thought look at the below equation:
People Like You + Limited Capacity Server = Server Full
Server Full = No testing of the new patches

And maybe when you bother to read what I was replying to, you'll figure out that he was talking to people who are testing THIS patch on Gorre. And if you log on Gorre now you'll see that there are 3-400 ppl there, nowhere near full. The only reasons Gorre was full the first week was 1) cause this is the first time since housing that they actually let "normal" people get on and 2) cause NF is such a huge difference from the patch before it so everyone wanted to try. There are more people playing in the US yet their test server is never full, because it's always open so eventually those who don't actually test anything don't use it.

 

[SethNaket]

If you feel in anyway belittled by my opinions, then some of what I say must be true. Truth hurts doesnt it.

I don't feel belittled at all, cause I just laughed at what you wrote. The point is that you actually tried to belittle the "non-testers", not wether you succeded in making them feel it or not.

So its always been English? Or will always be. What happens when it changes to German, then your going to complain you cant read it? LOL! Gorre normally tests all three languages (4 soon!) and so you can look forward to shouting "shpreken ze English" (sorry I dont know how to spell it ) real soon.

No it's not always, but it is NOW. And that's what we were talking about when you tried to make fun of the original poster. You asked a straight question "[how many of you have] Checked and reported poor translations?" when it's obvious to anyone but a moron that noone has, since the server is running the english version.

Learn to read moron, I said RvR and balancing issues, which is game dynamics, not the test to see whether the items and maps work. NF is part of the testing, that I didnt deny, you claimed its about testing game dynamics, which is coded by MYTHIC.

Pathetic attempt to sidestep, everything is "gamedynamics". GOA wanted us to port to NF and RvR to test out everything that has to do with new frontiers. You proclaimed in caps that those things can't be tested cause it's "MYTHIC CODING DEPARTMENT!!". Basically you restated that either a) you're an idiot or b) GOA lied when they said they wanted us to test NF, just to waste our time. I'd love to see an E&E call GOA liars.

1) Gorres database tests all the server setups, ofter the char database is reset, ppl will complain.
2) Its tested in German, French and English, soon Spanish too. When ist not English, ppl will complain.
3) Testing can be about certain elements, if a zone is taken off for a reason, ppl will complain.
4) The server is a bit old, ppl willcomplain.
5) If Gorre has to go down for a week. ppl will complain.
6) When Gorre is changed to the char base from Excal to Prydwen, ppl will complain.

People might complain about the rain aswell, doesn't mean we never want it to rain ever again. You can be negative and list anything you can think of as a reason people might complain. I got one:

7) People aren't allowed to log on Gorre and test next patch cause only E&Es are welcome, they will complain.

Oh wait, that already happened!

 

[SethNaket]

Oh btw SethNaket. Do take your time and read up on the 1.70 patch notes. I'd say that about 60% of it is about NF only, rest (that is about 40% if your to lazy to figure out that yourself) is about bugfixes and Clasic, Shrouded Isles and ToA updates. :touch:

I guess we have another one who can't read.

General advice: once you've got your char all geared up and ready to go, port to the NF zones asap. Don't test in the SI zones, you'll only be helping to crash the zone. If you want to duel, go to the NF zones and do it there.

Besides, 40% of the text in the patch notes does not mean 40% of the patch is about non-frontier stuff. For instance you could write down every single keep and tower that was changed/added as a patchnote item, every zone-change and everything about the new siege, and you'd end up with 95% of the text being frontier-stuff and 5% classic/SI/ToA. If you think 40% of 1.70 is about non-NF stuff then you're possibly the dumbest person ever to post here.

 

[IainC]

I guess we have another one who can't read.

Besides, 40% of the text in the patch notes does not mean 40% of the patch is about non-frontier stuff. For instance you could write down every single keep and tower that was changed/added as a patchnote item, every zone-change and everything about the new siege, and you'd end up with 95% of the text being frontier-stuff and 5% classic/SI/ToA. If you think 40% of 1.70 is about non-NF stuff then you're possibly the dumbest person ever to post here.

You haven't understood the context of Erivoss's request. When the beta started the SI zones were crashing all the time because people would create a character there and then stand around duelling each other thus creating enough lag to either crash the zone or make it unplayable. Erivoss just asked people not to hang around the SI city but to go to the Frontiers if they just wanted to duel.

 

[Daedalus]

Why the heck are people quoting Erivoss, and then come up with some shitty irrelevent comment that's completely out of context?

Anyway..
How hard is it to wrap your brain around the fact that Gorre, as it is right now, is meant to test the implementation of NF and the related hardware configuration on a GoA server..

 

[Danya]

Personally I find Gorre has become quite dull after a few weeks, it's not something I think would have the longevity of the main servers. Compare to say camlann - when it opened it was completely packed, now it's the smallest server.

As for testing, are people really that eager to properly test the game? Games testing is very dull and tedious, why do you think it's done by the lowest paid and (usually) least experienced people in the games industry?

 

[SethNaket]

You haven't understood the context of Erivoss's request. When the beta started the SI zones were crashing all the time because people would create a character there and then stand around duelling each other thus creating enough lag to either crash the zone or make it unplayable. Erivoss just asked people not to hang around the SI city but to go to the Frontiers if they just wanted to duel.

And whoodoo was taking a jab at those people who did exactly what was asked and went to NF. As soon as the server pop dropped low enough that it wasn't needed to stay out of SI, anyone that wanted to (like the "real" testers) could go test whatever they want just like they would any other patch you guys test. Besides if you would fix the link in your "welcome to beta" thread I wouldn't have to quote some post made in the thread, I would just quote where you invited people to test NF.

Why the heck are people quoting Erivoss, and then come up with some shitty irrelevent comment that's completely out of context?

Anyway..
How hard is it to wrap your brain around the fact that Gorre, as it is right now, is meant to test the implementation of NF and the related hardware configuration on a GoA server..

It's not out of context, you just said it yourself. Why would you flame someone for being a "bad" tester and not "checking and reporting" spelling errors, artifact encounters and whatnot if as you say the test was NF implementation and related items. The Erivoss quote was because the original link in the post where the public where invited to test NF on Gorre now shows a 404, so I had to make due with the short pieces of info they sometimes post on this board to make the point. Whoodoo was against having a permanent "current Gorre" and his reason was that people where bad testers and didn't do those things he listed, none of which where asked of them. We were asked to come and play NF.

If someone asks me to come on a server and test this or that encounter, I'd gladly go test this and that encounter(time permitting). If someone asks me to come test new frontiers with a free 50/rr6 I'm not gonna go test a lvl 30 quest or look for any possible "color" instead of "colour" (since whoodoo brought up american english not being proper), I'm gonna go test new frontiers.

 

[Ralgedi Smurf]

Again why? Its for testing the patches, not you. How many ppl can say they have tested new quests on gorre, how many have tried finding the new atrifacts? Timed spawns? Checked and reported poor translations? Or done anything than spam the G&Gs before setting off to emain to wtfpwn, respec, test new RA / spec / toaster and repeat?

And it is open to tests.....for us testers.

Respeccing ra's and testing them is allso a form of testing, not everybody likes doing quest and artis, people are different and find enjoyment in diffenret stuff.

i would personally love if we got free lvl 50, but had to hunt items the old way

 

[Daedalus]

It's not out of context, you just said it yourself.

Ah, I can see where you're going with the Erviross quote.
I do disagree with Old.Whoodoo's general statement, but he does point out an issue. People have been running around with BuffBots in the early days of the test, been tweaking their chars to the max, and have complained whenever there was lag on Gorre. Those people are completely missing the point of the test server.

Gorre was opened to the public because the implementation of NF and the related hardware configurations had to be tested under stress conditions. Finding translation typos and finding bugs in any GoA content is the job of the internal testers whenever the server is in closed mode, and believe me, you don't want to have 1000 players around constantly screwing up the testing process. And that's why I believe that GoA keeps Gorre closed, as its being used as a platform to test implementation and GoA content.

So, making Gorre permanently public is, I believe, not an option. It would however be possible to have another server as a 'test' server, but that would just cost too much money and is really a waste, unless GoA happens to have an unused spare one.

Hmm.. Mythic should make the US test server authenticate against the EU account db so we could use that one :-o

 

[nuko]

you have summed it up for me in your post exactly what i was trying to say cheers m8

 

[nuko]

hmm some passionate people with passionate arguments ,all im suggesting is bringing the fun back to daoc ive played it since it came out in the states and i really do love the game i think it would be nice to be go on a server where you dont have to spend years leveling especially as its so hard to get a group now .Im not asking everyone in daoc to play this server ,what i meant to say in my original post was a server like gorre which had all the enhancements.The comments that it would be boring ,too much like counterstrike and take all the roleplay out of the game i think maybe justified to some people, but others i think would enjoy the opportunity to try this out after all counterstike servers seem to be well populated as for roleplay most of the roleplay in daoc comes from the rvr .As for the leveling sure if you enjoy leveling and crafter for hours on end great i dont have a problem with that what im saying is i should have the choice.As for the comment that its the dumbest idea ever and i am thick lol maybe your right but its just my opinion not the end of the world . lol anyway got people talking

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Respeccing ra's and testing them is allso a form of testing, not everybody likes doing quest and artis, people are different and find enjoyment in diffenret stuff.

i would personally love if we got free lvl 50, but had to hunt items the old way

This simply devalues the already-coded-into-game RA stones and respec stone. Your not supposed to be changing it on a daily basis, but making educated judgements on your final spec.

I see whine threads already about the fact Gorre has gone French. No doubt more to follow as it turns German later this week.

I did not point at any individual in my opinion, theres a collective who have the ideas, so its pointed at them all. For 3 years Gorre has been closed beta for 95%, every so often its opened up for testing and to give people a taste, just liek with both SI and ToA, but this time ppl got a taste for the G&G and took it to heart. All your PvE and RvR requirements in one swoop, but dont you think its those elements that make DAoC different from any other MMOPRG or even FPS?

The fundamental of any MMORPG is both PvE and RvR, of which this game has the best balance of them all. Deny that? But what you are asking for is to eliminate the core of the game. As said before, thats what games like CS, DoD, BS1942, Wolfenstien are about, multiplayer killing.

 

[Belomar]

This simply devalues the already-coded-into-game RA stones and respec stone. Your not supposed to be changing it on a daily basis, but making educated judgements on your final spec.

Why? Who says? You? Mythic added respec stones for a reason.

 

[Thorwyn]

Why? Who says? You? Mythic added respec stones for a reason.

True. But they also gave them to dragons and evul, stinking Sidi mobs to drop them, so the idea is you can get one, but you have to work for it, it´s not something you can buy for 5g from a merchant.

Making a template decision, speccing your char in a certain way, levelling him up and trying to equip him is one part of the game. A permanent Gorre server would reduce 50% of the game and spoil the idea of a MMORPG, making the game pure RvR. Not what I want from a MMORPG.
However... if that´s what a large enough number of people want, then there´s no reason not to give them what they want. I couldn´t care less if JimmiPowerGamer decides to roll his leet toons and wtfpwn in Emain on Gorre. As long as the other servers stay intact, I can´t see why they shouldn´t enjoy their POV of this game. In fact, it would be helpful channeling the gap between the casual gamer and the pro-gamers.

 

[Belomar]

Well, I agree about that, I was just commenting on a simple remark.