Why is Midgard SUCH EASY MODE ???!

[schinkaar]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
You take my words how you want to, if you see it as me saying i am uber leet madskillz player who would pwn all if savages were gone then gj to you, we do lose to good grps who beat us cos they play better....Read FC/BF, but i would never say gj/wp/gg etc to a mid grp beating us in 3 savage 3 healer 1 shammy 1 skald grp as IN MY OPINION!! they can play worse than us and still win, if they come and beat us with 2 healers 3 runies 1 skald 1 shammy 1 warrior then i would admit they played better than us and deserved to win.

FYI VGN have lost to that setup, and it wasnt even a gg. Now u might say gj, i say overpowered healers.

 

[Freppe^^]

easy mode!!!!!!!1

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by schinkaar
FYI VGN have lost to that setup, and it wasnt even a gg. Now u might say gj, i say overpowered healers.

i wasn't there so don't care xD

 

[infozwerg]

This, and here is the thing, DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE SAYING WE ARE MORE SKILLED THAN ALL MIDS AND HIBS!

but i am saying that even the best of the best, the elite players on excalibur albion are playing far worse than a good NP group, JH or BaF.

also there is no big difference in "skill" needed to compete. you have to play flawless. in every realm. its not particularly harder not to make mistakes in albion than in hibernia or midgard.

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by infozwerg
but i am saying that even the best of the best, the elite players on excalibur albion are playing far worse than a good NP group, JH or BaF.

also there is no big difference in "skill" needed to compete. you have to play flawless. in every realm. its not particularly harder not to make mistakes in albion than in hibernia or midgard.

there is however more space for error on certain classes for example, imo a sorc is harder to play effectively and survive well than a pac healer of say a shammy.

 

[tildson]

Originally posted by schinkaar
Well hibernian players are by default 10x better than any other players. I think that the BEST guilds ever (VGN/LA/CF/TDMM/BAF/TDO) should beat clueless players like JH/NP/Pan/BC/RG. Now the problem is balance, in hib u have to press alot of buttons (ITS NOT 1-BUTTON REALM!) and in mid u dont. VGN players usually press 3-4 BUT STILL DOESNT WIN, this is where the balance really shows, in the game code(everyone in hib got it, cause other realms suck) i found this:

if (player.getRealm(mid))
{
win= true;
player.addCash(10, gold);
}

This not only prooves that mid is overpowered in the code, but THEY GET PAID FOR BEING OVERPOWERED!
I have 0 respect for all people running fixed grp setups with the same people night after night, this only means they get more practice with eachother while hibs dont! I dunno about you but i play to have fun and i dont have it when im not uber so FO lame mids. Also for all you idiots (except hibs-nol) this is how the skill goes VGN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LA>TDMM>CF>BaF>TdO>>>>>>>FC>>>Herbal>>BF/GoL>>>>> Random ppl>>>>FoM>>>>WR>>>NP>rest of mid.

That must've been the most whine ever completet in 1 post.

You hang in there girl!!

 

[stighelmer]

Originally posted by infozwerg
but i am saying that even the best of the best, the elite players on excalibur albion are playing far worse than a good NP group, JH or BaF.

also there is no big difference in "skill" needed to compete. you have to play flawless. in every realm. its not particularly harder not to make mistakes in albion than in hibernia or midgard.

are you even trying to understand my point? or are you just in it for the post count?

























NO! Dont press reply. Read the freaking post again.. and again...

Then, when u think you have understood it. Read it again.

j/k

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
i don't understand cresent sword bit

Estat wanted to know why sheph the druid was hitting him with a crescent sword, which in his opinion made sheph and vgn noobs basically.

so...there you go n00b

 

[schinkaar]

Originally posted by old.Nol
Estat wanted to know why sheph the druid was hitting him with a crescent sword, which in his opinion made sheph and vgn noobs basically.

so...there you go n00b

I think it was VGN that made VGN n00b, not estat. BUT IMO THEY ROCK VERY GOOD HIBERNIAN L337!

 

[Asha]

mid = easy
hib/alb = harder but not impossible
why?
balanced mid group = fucking uber
random mid group = pretty darn good
balanced alb group = pretty damn good with a cherry on top (with RAs)
random alb group = As scary as a wet noodle (was going to say as easy as someone’s mother but I am not pissed at anyone atm)

alb excali = LOTS of zerging random horribly unbalanced groups with 3 or 4 rvr guilds that are all hurting a lot atm – this means most albs in rvr atm are zerglings. The way alb has abilities spread over so many damn classes contributes heavily to imbalanced alb groups.
mid excali = LOTS of zerging fotm groups that are normally balanced with 4 or 5 rvr guilds that seem to be doing great
hib excali = less people, but they tend to run in at least 2fg all the time (even at 4am) and will mount huge zergs when they have been zerged too much by Albs. This triggers the mid fotm guilds all merging and rvr goes to hell then… or we have a nice huge battle and 4 whine threads with screen shots of 40 dead albs, 30 dead mids, and 60 pissed off hibs.

Why can’t albs on excali scrape together balanced groups? I have no idea. They want to play 2h paladins, wizards, friars, cabalists… but also it’s harder to gather the needed abilities into an alb group.

And btw plzzzz mid pryd is retarded except for mm and a handful of other players. I mean it’s all the stupid ppl from alb/excali plus some new stupid ppl thrown in. I met one very smart guy there but mostly other ppl were not listening to him. There is no NP JH or even BC or RG of mid pryd. Please tell me any rvr guild that come close to NP JH or BC RG ohhh… there’s MM

Let’s see. Albion Pryd is better than Alb Excali because they own the Pryd Mids… yet the best Pryd Mid guild is pbaoe… Which can’t be run on excali because it’s not uber enough… because the Albs on Excali… suck or we don’t suck? Which is it? Why can’t mids run pbaoe on excali? Because excali is different. It’s a different level of seriousness. I haven’t played there for 2 months but there were sooooo many ppl in epic it’s a joke. It’s NOT the SAME thing as RvR on excali. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.

I don’t know what criticisms you can lay at BF other than we use more armsmen than mercs. I would love to hear them. I doubt any Albion/Pryd team could beat us.

 

[Galiryn]

i love you asha

 

[VodkaFairy]

Agree with asha.. perfect groups are being compared to randoms too often

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by infozwerg
but i am saying that even the best of the best, the elite players on excalibur albion are playing far worse than a good NP group, JH or BaF.

also there is no big difference in "skill" needed to compete. you have to play flawless. in every realm. its not particularly harder not to make mistakes in albion than in hibernia or midgard.

that is complete bullshit. I can't tell you how many times I have seen a NP/JH group mess up several times in a fight and us play almost perfectly and we lose. There is a big different in the skill needed because if an alb/hib group messes up vs a good mid team they are dead. If a mid team messes up, it's recoverable.

This is a huge reason why the RvR guilds of Albion are pissed off and not playing atm.

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Asha
mid group = fucking uber
random mid group = pretty darn good
balanced alb group = pretty damn good with a cherry on top (with RAs)
random alb group = As scary as a wet noodle

only commenting on what we make for these:

balanced mid grp is hard to make it can take you hours. and yes mid people often wait that long.

random mid grp = free rp these grps are so easy to farm its pathetic


comment on facing these:

balanced alb grp with sos and bof with dual users is bastard hard to beat, yes u can lose to these when running in a balanced midgard grp even with high rr experienced players etc

random alb grp: same as the random mid grp free rp to whoever finds them first.

there is not much difference in any realm with 1 exception:

1. savage. yes this unbalances the game, but has also damaged midgard for long term rvr. class should never have been introduced. its being nerfed but is that enough ? personally i dont think so.

the 2 other most common complaints:

1. determination for tanks. yeah introducing this this was a knee jerk rection to the farming of tanks. i am not sure what needs to be done about this if anything. i consider this to be the biggest issue in rvr by miles. it is the NUMBER 1 thing that will affect rvr if changed.

2. middie healers. the interupt wont happen next patch so thats done. the insta stun is the second complaint. now this wipes any random hib/alb grps easy. purely from that respect thats not good. so i am happy to see that deleted entirely.
in return i would like midgard to have an equivalent albility/s to grp purge / sos/ bof as currently we dont
i dont see the logic in anyone saying remove insta but give nothing as that would unbalance the game against midgard.

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Asha
mid = easy
hib/alb = harder but not impossible
why?
balanced mid group = fucking uber
random mid group = pretty darn good
balanced alb group = pretty damn good with a cherry on top (with RAs)
random alb group = As scary as a wet noodle (was going to say as easy as someone’s mother but I am not pissed at anyone atm)

alb excali = LOTS of zerging random horribly unbalanced groups with 3 or 4 rvr guilds that are all hurting a lot atm – this means most albs in rvr atm are zerglings. The way alb has abilities spread over so many damn classes contributes heavily to imbalanced alb groups.
mid excali = LOTS of zerging fotm groups that are normally balanced with 4 or 5 rvr guilds that seem to be doing great
hib excali = less people, but they tend to run in at least 2fg all the time (even at 4am) and will mount huge zergs when they have been zerged too much by Albs. This triggers the mid fotm guilds all merging and rvr goes to hell then… or we have a nice huge battle and 4 whine threads with screen shots of 40 dead albs, 30 dead mids, and 60 pissed off hibs.

Why can’t albs on excali scrape together balanced groups? I have no idea. They want to play 2h paladins, wizards, friars, cabalists… but also it’s harder to gather the needed abilities into an alb group.

And btw plzzzz mid pryd is retarded except for mm and a handful of other players. I mean it’s all the stupid ppl from alb/excali plus some new stupid ppl thrown in. I met one very smart guy there but mostly other ppl were not listening to him. There is no NP JH or even BC or RG of mid pryd. Please tell me any rvr guild that come close to NP JH or BC RG ohhh… there’s MM

Let’s see. Albion Pryd is better than Alb Excali because they own the Pryd Mids… yet the best Pryd Mid guild is pbaoe… Which can’t be run on excali because it’s not uber enough… because the Albs on Excali… suck or we don’t suck? Which is it? Why can’t mids run pbaoe on excali? Because excali is different. It’s a different level of seriousness. I haven’t played there for 2 months but there were sooooo many ppl in epic it’s a joke. It’s NOT the SAME thing as RvR on excali. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.

I don’t know what criticisms you can lay at BF other than we use more armsmen than mercs. I would love to hear them. I doubt any Albion/Pryd team could beat us.

Cba to comment on the whole post But the least i can say is the following: if excal would be less zergy ud(alb and hib as well) _REALLY_ regret having a mid pbaoe grp running around

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by exe
Cba to comment on the whole post But the least i can say is the following: if excal would be less zergy ud(alb and hib as well) _REALLY_ regret having a mid pbaoe grp running around

yeah we tried running sm / warrior grps in bc and they butcher. overshadowed by sav/heal grps atm but when the savage nerf comes in i expect the next amount of call for nerfs to be against this

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Pandemic
yeah we tried running sm / warrior grps in bc and they butcher. overshadowed by sav/heal grps atm but when the savage nerf comes in i expect the next amount of call for nerfs to be against this

On excal its only zerg(not even alb but hib one) that doesnt allow a mid pbaoe grp do same good as melee grp, or at least very close to

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by exe
On excal its only zerg(not even alb but hib one) that doesnt allow a mid pbaoe grp do same good as melee grp, or at least very close to

that might be true... but doesn't answer why there are no other decent mid ggs on pryd.

I don't really see how zergs hurt pbaoe groups any more than the rest of us trying to run in single fgs...

 

[old.Lethul]

Originally posted by exe
On excal its only zerg(not even alb but hib one) that doesnt allow a mid pbaoe grp do same good as melee grp, or at least very close to

noob exe, less chattering and more give me rp for mcl imo

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Asha
I don't really see how zergs hurt pbaoe groups any more than the rest of us trying to run in single fgs...

Zergs hurt all tbh, and hib zerg hurts mid pbaoe the most, think i dont have to explain why...

 

[faderullan]

Originally posted by Asha
I don’t know what criticisms you can lay at BF other than we use more armsmen than mercs. I would love to hear them. I doubt any Albion/Pryd team could beat us.

Tbh, if you use armsmen instead of merc in group theres no way to you can be the best albion group. Simply because you have a gimped setup. You might have talented members but it won't be enough.
Skill + realm rank + setup. You need all 3 to be a good albion group.

And dont talk about prydwen if you havent seen it. And i dont mean played once in emain with a random group.

 

[exe]

Originally posted by old.Lethul
noob exe, less chattering and more give me rp for mcl imo

Get 50 and come get em(rps) in emain imo

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by Pandemic
random mid grp = free rp these grps are so easy to farm its pathetic

That is really not true. It just isn’t. That is the problem. Random mid groups are just about equal to most guild groups of Albion… and they very very easily knock down an Alb random group.

balanced alb grp with sos and bof with dual users is bastard hard to beat, yes u can lose to these when running in a balanced midgard grp even with high rr experienced players etc

But you can also win 80% of them time with sloppy play and mistakes.

random alb grp: same as the random mid grp free rp to whoever finds them first.

No sorry a random mid group has 2 healers at least, a shammie, 3 savages… random alb group has a friar, cabalist, 2h paladin and 2 or 3 wizzards. I see them leaving apk, trust me. It’s not the same thing.

The difference is a random alb group probably won’t beat a random mid group and stands no chance vs a mid gg (why they zerg like mad). A random mid group will flatten a random alb group and will stand a good chance vs an alb gg. Sure I admit that it’s their own faults for bringing these chars to rvr, but that is the reality of how it is atm.

there is not much difference in any realm with 1 exception:

1. savage. yes this unbalances the game, but has also damaged midgard for long term rvr. class should never have been introduced. its being nerfed but is that enough ? personally i dont think so.

I think the other main difference is that albion has abilities that fit into mid groups easily on classes that have no place in a “balanced” group. Disease for example. Healing on 4 classes … Rezzing on 4 members of the group instead of 3. A tank that can be defensive 50 shield w/o giving up 2h weapons. Resists.

There isn’t anything on Pryd/Mid but random groups and MM ! That is my point. And I’d rather have rr9 or rr10 armsman instead of a lower rr merc. The fact is that RvR on Excali is on a higher lvl (more perfected) than on Pryd. It’s also more zergy.

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Asha
The fact is that RvR on Excali is on a higher lvl (more perfected) than on Pryd. It’s also more zergy.

One statement proves the other wrong, nice logic

Originally posted by Asha
There isn’t anything on Pryd/Mid but random groups and MM ! That is my point.

Everlast, BO

Originally posted by Asha
And I’d rather have rr9 or rr10 armsman instead of a lower rr merc.

Even rr5 merc>rr9-10 arms in terms of effectiveness.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Even rr5 merc>rr9-10 arms in terms of effectiveness.

Not a poler or hybrid who assists good.Can be just as good.

Also soldier's barricade good for savages.

 

[faderullan]

Poler are easily guarded. Mercs are not. Earth buff and haste are very nice to a merc.

And if the guy says random mid groups is like alb guild groups. And then he says his guild group is better then all on prydwen. I wonder how his brain works.

 

[schinkaar]

To asha:

a random hib pbae grp is the best random grp.

And i have never seen BF play perfect, ive seen BF assist and thats about it. Im pretty sure a air theurg can fuck up any mid tank grp quite good, not saying its impossible to deal with but land a mezz follow up with petting 3 healers means the mid grp can rely on only instas. Same thing with SoS a good alb group shouldnt have a problem interrupting 2 healers and ganking 1, guess what BF at best interrupt 1, ofc without saving stuntimer for moc.

Now i cant say i know how you play, maybe you play good maybe you dont. I still get the impression your tactics consist of /assist and spamming SH/singel. Again this is just how it look from my PoV, some mistakes you can see some is just impossible to see from the enemys PoV. But until you use all the tools you have you play far from perfect.

And if u wanna play vs JH/NP in hib then just roll up on mid, maybe you'll learn something maybe you'll have fun pwning us for a change. Its a win win situation as far as i can see

 

[Wot-do]

.

exc mids > pryd mids
pryd albs > exc albs
exc hibs > pryd hibs

 

[Dunmer]

LOL, Asha sure can talk shit. :sleeping: :sleeping:

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by faderullan
Tbh, if you use armsmen instead of merc in group theres no way to you can be the best albion group. Simply because you have a gimped setup. You might have talented members but it won't be enough.
Skill + realm rank + setup. You need all 3 to be a good albion group.

And dont talk about prydwen if you havent seen it. And i dont mean played once in emain with a random group.

And ps... until you faced a mid group like NP or JH or even like RG or BC... there is no way you can know what you're talking about.