Why Foreigners come to england.

[old.Tohtori]

Please, feel free to elaborate...or are you just trolling as usual? Whats your opinion on people happy to stay on benefits and not work?

What's your stance on people who look for job, can't find one, even if there's work around, but because they don't have some "if" crossed on the worklist, they can't get it?

Where do you draw the line of "acceptable"?

 

[Raven]

What's your stance on people who look for job, can't find one, even if there's work around, but because they don't have some "if" crossed on the worklist, they can't get it?

Where do you draw the line of "acceptable"?

I am of the opinion that if someone really wants to work then there is work out there, even if its a tempory job until you find one that suits your skills or what you want to do.

In the UK there is NO excuse for being out of work, there is a reason we have so many polish people moving here and working, there is plenty of work about.

There are people that just don't want to work because it is to easy not to bother, they get money, they get accomodation.

 

[Chronictank]

now let me tell you what a bunch of poles are doing at my place of work. they are doing unskilled easy well paid work and all that money is going back to poland to sit in there bank accts and gain interest and then they are sodding off back there in 4-5 years shit 1 guy i know is over here for 5 years and hes workin here to get a house built over there like i said this is unskilled labour.

i really dont understand your point
you are complaining they are here working instead of sponging off tax payers?
They pay tax on everything they earn (if it is legitimate and not cash in hand), so they have already paid their dues via tax and NI before they even get their money, what is it to you what they decide to do with it?
They have every right to send it home, just like you have every right to spend it however the hell you like

so curious why do we need foreigners over here to do unskilled jobs? doctors etc i understand and agree with we do have a shortfall of skilled workers. i dont agree with em comin over here and taking jobs that those without a decent education can only really turn to.

Ofc we do, British people don't want to do the shit jobs so if they don't do it who will?
People want to be doctors not nurses, so immigrants take their place
People dont want to clean toilets and brush up other peoples filth, so immigrants take these jobs
People dont want to "pack cardboard boxes" so immigrants take these jobs

Your only real argument to this could be that they are working for less, but then this is also flawed nothing is stopping people born here working for less either, they just dont want to.

yet atm it seems the citizens of england are been put on the backburner when it comes to work and education.

you have EXACTLY the same if not more rights than anyone coming into the country, how exactly are you "on the backburner"?

 

[Himse]

i really dont understand your point
you are complaining they are here working instead of sponging off tax payers?
They pay tax on everything they earn (if it is legitimate and not cash in hand), so they have already paid their dues via tax and NI before they even get their money, what is it to you what they decide to do with it?
They have every right to send it home, just like you have every right to spend it however the hell you like


Ofc we do, British people don't want to do the shit jobs so if they don't do it who will?
People want to be doctors not nurses, so immigrants take their place
People dont want to clean toilets and brush up other peoples filth, so immigrants take these jobs
People dont want to "pack cardboard boxes" so immigrants take these jobs

Your only real argument to this could be that they are working for less, but then this is also flawed nothing is stopping people born here working for less either, they just dont want to.


you have EXACTLY the same if not more rights than anyone coming into the country, how exactly are you "on the backburner"?

I can see both sides of this arguement.

English people do not WANT to do these shit jobs.

But the ppl who have been on benifits years, and do not plan to get work, should actually be MADE to work in these sorts of places, under supervision ofc so they don't skive and fuck about.

It would do them a world of good.

My mates sister, is one of those ppl, she lives in a scummy flat, has no intention of working ever and plans to sponge off the government for the rest of her life, dating drug dealers and stuff.

Just dont need it here tbh.

The poles, and all other imigrants are fine, they should be able to work here.

I just don't like it when there are coloured kids on the streets stabbing eachother. You've got to admit, its always a coloured kid rather than white kids.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I am of the opinion that if someone really wants to work then there is work out there, even if its a tempory job until you find one that suits your skills or what you want to do.

In the UK there is NO excuse for being out of work, there is a reason we have so many polish people moving here and working, there is plenty of work about.

There are people that just don't want to work because it is to easy not to bother, they get money, they get accomodation.

If you don't get schooling, if you don't have a drivers license, if you can't do hard manual labor or drive a forklift or if you "look the wrong way" etc...you might not get a job even if there's jobs about.

That's where the problems start. You can't say "only the sick and those with no jobs around", because then you'd be discriminating those who try and find a job but can't.

 

[Raven]

Thats the difference, looking for a job but not being able to get one for whatever reason is different from turning up to the job centre every week to collect a giro. People who are really looking for work need more help to find it granted but there are a lot of people who just do it to go through the motions with absolutly no intention of finding work.

I don't know what its like for other regions in the UK but every Thursday the local paper has job pages, usually anywhere up to 30 pages with about 250 odd adverts in. All different types of work. Then there is the agencys. I recently changed jobs (well 6 months ago now) and I still get the agencys phoning me up with potential jobs, they are desperate to find people to fill positions.

I was out of work for nearly a month last year after getting made redundant and had absolutely no trouble finding work. I left school with no qualifications (was a bit of a layabout at school) I don't drive either and still managed to get a job paying 25k + a monthly bonus. I started working properly about 8 years ago at the bottom of my trade before that i just pissed about in warehouses and such. Any job is better than no job, an employer would rather see someone who is willing to work hard than just breeze into a job.

 

[soze]

You have to be abit racist to think all foreigners need to be kicked out. People who come here and work and pay taxes are fine but i do think we need to draw a line under letting people in at 6x years old then giving them a council house and pension when they did not contribute. Also people who come over here have a kid get a free house and live of benefits.

We do have enough of our own problems with out needing to try home everyone who has had a hard time in there own country. We should be more like Australia imo.

How i think it should work is you get a job offer get a visa learn English and your allowed in.

 

[tris-]

we need to draw a line under letting people in at 6x years old then giving them a council house and pension when they did not contribute.

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isnt it because of people like this that people like me will not be able to get a pension because there will be no money for it?

im going to pay taxes and NI but there will still be no money for my pension!

 

[dub]

i see the support for the producer- and consumer-based society is stronger than ever , and if i dont support it im a slacker ? and should be deported ?

this "unless you are with us you are against us" attitude couppled with the nationalistic tones "deportation for the slackers" sadly gives you a fascistoid tint that im sure you as good democrats would rather be without.

democracys are defined by tolerance , if you are really that intolerant that you want deport others it is probably you that should migrate instead

 

[Maeloch]

now let me tell you what a bunch of poles are doing at my place of work. they are doing unskilled easy well paid work and all that money is going back to poland to sit in there bank accts and gain interest and then they are sodding off back there in 4-5 years shit 1 guy i know is over here for 5 years and hes workin here to get a house built over there like i said this is unskilled labour.

Can't really blame em for working honestly overhere and doing somethign with themselves. They pay taxes, put money into the economy while they're here - some of their wages'll be paying keeping english benifit scroungers in lolly - what they do with their wages is up to them.

On the other side of the coin, I worked in Belgium a couple of years. Didn't earn a huge amount, about 20 grand in stirling, but still enuff to pay almost 50% in Belgian income tax. Used to really annoy me I paid so much cash into the country without any long term future there, no write to vote, never claimed benifit.

 

[soze]

isnt it because of people like this that people like me will not be able to get a pension because there will be no money for it?

im going to pay taxes and NI but there will still be no money for my pension!

Forget us there will be no state pension in 20 years time i have read so make sure you get your own as well as paying for everyone elses

 

[tris-]

i want to know how true this is though, ive only heard about it and not seen it on anything official.

about 2 years the DWP sent me a letter telling me id get 86 a week when i retire. not sure why they sent a letter though as i was only 19 or so at the time.

at current trends that gives me about £30 for food and 50 quid on council tax, water, gas, electricity, oxygen tax, pavement tax and tax ontop of the other taxes.

leaving me £6 which i could buy a can of stella with at current inflation rates.

 

[Raven]

Every old person I know is fucking minted, my wifes nan (passed away now) had money all over the house because she was to old to walk to the bank. that pension soon builds up when you have nothing to spend it on.

 

[soze]

i want to know how true this is though, ive only heard about it and not seen it on anything official.

about 2 years the DWP sent me a letter telling me id get 86 a week when i retire. not sure why they sent a letter though as i was only 19 or so at the time.

at current trends that gives me about £30 for food and 50 quid on council tax, water, gas, electricity, oxygen tax, pavement tax and tax ontop of the other taxes.

leaving me £6 which i could buy a can of stella with at current inflation rates.

Hain warns of pensions nightmare by 2050 - Pensions, Money - The Independent

 

[tris-]

fuck it then. you may aswel work till youre 65 and spend a good year or so taking every drug under the sun and pop your clogs early.

 

[chipper]

right i think a couple of ppl got the wrong end of the stick with my post i dont hate the polish as i always maintain u cant hate a nation based on a few ppl they are for the most part nice hard working people but like any nation they have there fair share of assholes.

i wanted to write more on my original post but didnt have enough time. i wanted say its pretty much the governments fault that we are having to take in foreigners in the first place thxs to the nation becoming fat and lazy ie a shameless nation and this really needs to be tackled all the asshole scrounging off the dole and claiming benefits need a fuckin slap if these ppl can be made to work it would probably solve the whole employment issue period

also and somewhat controversial i think its about time our government stopped brainwashing kids telling them they can be doctors and lawyers and earn £100,000's a year. the simple fact is a good portion of our children arent cut out for college and university and bribing them to go is not the answer many wouldnt go if the EMA wasnt there but as it is its an easy 30 quid for them

we need ppl doing the little jobs cleaning the streets working in the factories and supermarkets etc theres no shame in it its honest work and you can go home feeling like youve earned your money which breeds self respect yes its shit pay in some cases and its bloody hard work but so what its about time the nation woke and realised you have to work to get the things you want.


just a sidenote to chronictank what ya said at the end about same rights aint true there is a scandal atm in the universities saying that foreign students are getting passes for below par work

yes in theory we have exactly the same rights in reality m8 it really just isnt true if you could work at our place for a year you really would understand i dont blame them really its the managements doing but its an easy output to vent at.

 

[Lamp]

We've recently had a Polish family move next door to our house. Lovely people. I've found the Poles to be hardworking, polite, clean, quite, and friendly. You don't see gangs of Poles hooded up knifing people, giving out attitude all the time, sucking their teef bruv, or driving wide-bore hot hatches at 3am with their ***** music blaring out

 

[Huntingtons]

Every old person I know is fucking minted, my wifes nan (passed away now) had money all over the house because she was to old to walk to the bank. that pension soon builds up when you have nothing to spend it on.

bet she wasnt working an average job with government pension?
in denmark where that happens they have to sell their stuff or eat dried food mostly because they cant afford anything...