Why don't healers rezz?

[Arthwyr]

Why are you hibs whining ? Alb has no classes that have to save mana on rezzes to be able to root or cast Bt. Cleric is main healer and has a soon to be nerfed insta stun but no root or Bt and well the pala is just plain sad his main character stat is piety and can only use his mana to rezz ... no fancy Bt or buffing or baseline heal, not even a fecking x-bow do they give us. So you cant quickast BT on a warden LOL at least you have something else then rezzing to spend mana on and because you do you think you shouldnt rezz outside your group anymore. You have bards - Wardens - Druids (3 rezzing classes) and you still manage to leave your dead. And chants do cost mana when you trigger them but it does cost end (what a joke) , its not much but twisting chants all the time (only usefull in PvE and very rarely in RvR) will get your endurance down quite fast.

 

[soullessminion]

Originally posted by hellraisermk2
I just have to say this to the healers who say they basically want to fight during rvr rather than rez... roll a different char and class then.

I chose a melee class because I wanted to get up close and personal. If I wanted to nuke I would have chosen a caster. If I wanted to uber buff other people/ myself, I'd have chosen a shammy, etc. What I didn't do was sit there and think "Hmmmm I want to go and fight the albs/ hibs, I know I'll roll a healer!!11."


I totally understand that during RvR a healer doesn't always have the time/ protection to rez someone. That isn't their fault and the last thing I would do is ask for a rez if it jepordised their position in the area. When someone doesn't res because all they want to do is go fight the enemy, again that's fine... I look forwards to your death message when you die trying to take up a position your class wasn't designed for.

Once more a non rezz class shows its ignorance!

1 If you wanted to nuke youd choose a caster

Ok but hey lots cave shamys chose cave to ae Dot and Ae root (next patch \o/) Thay didnt choose it for its rezz, the rezz was just a bonus.

Lots healers are PAC healers theye chose to Mezz and all those other CC tricks, They also didnt choose to just go rvr and Rezz.

2 If I wanted to uber buff other people/ myself, I'd have chosen a shammy!!!

Rofl there not shamys the buuff bots, shamys are suposed to get in there dot anything that moves not sit at tk buffing others so they can have all the fun......

3 What I didn't do was sit there and think "Hmmmm I want to go and fight the albs/ hibs, I know I'll roll a healer!!

With changes to pac, many healers actualy became Melle healers, infact a high aug healer can kick arse in combat! great self buffs and insta heals pluss realm skill insta heals = shit loads of hp to just keep bashing.


What im trying to say is Healers/shamans dont just play to buff or Rezz all you spoilt brats so you can have all the fun.

Rezz is a gift, not a right! If you want a rezz or heal of a shammy or healer DONT standing in front of it yelling HEAL KTHX, or classic SB comment of "HEAL ME IM NEEDED ON WALL" (translated "HEAL ME IM A RP WHORE WHOS NOT GROUPED" ) Also if a shamy is sat in the snow next to a dead guy, dont need to tell him 20 times to rezz, he is probably resting mana

Ps: im a smite shaman my mana is for dots only (translated I rezz any poor sod i see, im simply to soft hearted )

 

[[BF]kate]

Originally posted by Arthwyr
Why are you hibs whining ? Alb has no classes that have to save mana on rezzes to be able to root or cast Bt. Cleric is main healer and has a soon to be nerfed insta stun but no root or Bt and well the pala is just plain sad his main character stat is piety and can only use his mana to rezz ...

CLERICS DO NOT HAVE INSTA STUN. Will people stop saying that please.

I can't believe you don't know that.

You've listed the reason that I don't run around rezzing. Clerics are the main healers. I will rez my group/guild or any sorc I see, but a rez takes half my power and my power takes AGES to come back. I let the paladins rez.

 

[poppamies]

ffs sake u ignorante bastards.


-ress me ress me im behind 20 albs at amg.
-sorry cant get pst them.(me)
-u are a healer its ur job, res me.
-ffs i cant get to u i will die.(me)
-try for ffs,its ur job!!

thease are the kind of msg i get in emain.
my JOB is to keep MY GRP ALIVE.
SECONDARY duty, res the ppl i see dead around me.
if u stupid ass punks cant understand this then u need to play an other game or try playing a healer.
its fucking annoying getting spammed for a res when rvr.
I WILL RES U IF I HAVE THE MANA AND THE SUPPORT FROM MY GRP.
IF NOT FORGET ABOUT THE RES.
when i myself die in emain i release all the time.
i can ask a healer to res me if his standing on me, but if he doesnt its ok i understand his low on mana and needs it to heal/res his own grp first.

 

[saltymcpepper]

this happened last night just after hibs killed the albs at crau.
my friend cut got killed and we had to shout for a rez for him for about 2 minutes before any healers rezzed him.
and i know they werent oop cos they were runnning about and not sat down

 

[Garnet]

I res as many ppls as i can if i have the mana but i feel very uncomfortable when my whole group leaves me waiting for mana to regen to res more ppls. Dont get me wrong i do like resing but doing it all the time isnt what the healer is for. Healers are for supporting in anyway there can. They buff, they heal, they mez, they stun, they root, they attack speed debuff, they interupt spells and they res.

BTW 1 more comment. Am i the only healer who has speced quite alot in aug? Anyone got higher than 30 aug???

 

[old.chesnor]

lol @ hellraisermk2

You are typical of many Middys who thinks Healers are your bitches.

WRONG!

 

[Spix]

I must say there is alot of healers rezzing whenever they can if the situation allowes it.
Personaly I never pm healers if I die on normal places where people tend to run, it takes not so long before I get rezzed anyway and I dont expect to get rezzed all of the time.
As long as you are not on a suicide mission deep in a forest there is no problem to get on feet.

And someone had a shadowblade as argument for not rezz, well maybe rouges are not in group since they are so used to being not wanted they dont dare/care to ask for groups anymore.
And they are not more RP whores then healers are. Some healer even said , why stay and rezz you when my group is collecting RP ... EGO

And there is always some who dont care if you have your nose down. And they are often the ones who whines about Mids are unorganized and complain that Mids cant get alot of people on the same time in Emain... how strange since alot of people have to release and maybe ride back if they care to go there again after every fight, that leaves the force reduced.
And the argument that you should get a group with healer/shaman.. Sure, but its not always that easy to find a ungrouped Healer/shaman, and some are even in a 2 man "group" to max out the RP. Read SKALD/HEALER ... dont get me wrong, but in that case , what class is more RP whore than a solo shadowblade/hunter?


Jonas/Spix

 

[hellraisermk2]

Originally posted by old.chesnor
lol @ hellraisermk2

You are typical of many Middys who thinks Healers are your bitches.

WRONG!

What makes you say that? I never expect a res from healers if they're passing as I understand they may be busy or unable to res. If I get one, then fine, I say thank you and move on.

I don't understand why some healers think they can take up the roll of a melee class or insist on trying to. It is very annoying to see a healer who did have the power and the time to res you walk on by thinking he can solo that alb zerg with his mighty mez.

If you wanted to fight, you should have rolled a class that was aimed at that. Healers are not a melee class plain and simple... they're much more of a support class (and a damn damn useful one).

 

[bjarnulf]

I understand if u don't rezz all the time and if there is danger about. BUT, if one lies in range of the TK there is no danger in rezzing. Plus what happened was that ALL had left and there came - what I saw - 3 rezzing-able characters alone. First one then two and then three in a matter of 30 sec, and they run off. At the same time I see round 20 deaths on my msgbox. Why then run into that army of killingmachines? As one here said. We can't solo. So there was no danger in rezzing atm (Could rezz from TK or very close to it) and almost all the Mids who chased after the Alb army died. That is what made me a bit angry.

 

[poppamies]

well i always res a guy if i run past him, but i dont run around emain just to get to someone that got killed somewere out there.
theres usuly a shortage of healers/shammies in pvp, so its just dumb if one runs away to res a guy somewere just to get killed, because the one who needs a res "forgot" to tell teh healer that theres 10 albs/hibs guarding his corps.
has happen to me too many times when running aroung just to res a guy.

 

[old.Elrohir_CBH]

Originally posted by Arthwyr


If you wanna chase ppl and kill em LvL a bloody skald or a zerker or runie whatever. The class name alone is a dead giveaway its called a HEALER they are the primary Healing and REZZING class of the realm. Luckyly Albion immproved alot in the way that most clerics and specialy Paladins take the time to rezz ppl. And yes sometimes i do stay behind to Rezz instead of chasing, Rezzing is one of the reasons i decided to play the paladin in the first place.

But hey I have an idea, let the skalds do their Hp recovering thing while the healers chase targets /sarcasm

I tought i leveled a healer to HEAL , NOT to REZ , rezzing is not fun , taking way to many mana etc , i only do it when i see ppl arent rezzed by their own group.

Ofcourse as a warden its even more diverent i leveled him for seport of the ppl that are in melee.

Now you can get all mad you arent rezzed , but ....... mmmmmmmmm ..... thats to bad , i play to have fun , so if im to busy whit fun , than rezzing can w8t.

Should i play a other class to have fun ? WTF is that for bullshit , i play this class because i think its fun , that doesnt mean i HAVE to REZ , not that i often dont , but when i dont i dont expect to be flamed , besides , it doesnt mather if you do , it only makes sure i never rez you again.

 

[Ensceptifica]

I started a warden because it seemed like a very versatile class. I do too little dmg to function as a main tank in or outside a group. I heal for too little to be main healer. My buffs are as good as a bard's, no downside to that. My bubble is my main strength, yet it weakens my healing and rezzing capability. So all in all, I play a class that can do a lot, but excells in few things. With realm abilities I'll get augmented acuity and serenity so I can be of more use as a healer and rezzer, coz that's the only aspect of my warden that I can't use much without weakening my strongest trait (the bubble). But even without RA, I love playing a warden. And I play it however I please. If I go into RvR and prefer to use my mana for bubble instead of heals, then there's no reason why I shouldn't. The "your class should" / "you were meant to" argument is bs.

On another point: People should stop complaining about the class they play, the unfairness of one realm's class' benefits... the way some people bring it is like they want 1 class for all realms that can do everything. Just so they won't feel gimped. Those people should try Quake or Unreal. I for one love the differences between realms, and learned that the game balance is most obvious when you play together with other people. And whatever you're up against, you'll have some strong points, and some weak points as a group or a player. It's a challenge to know those points and make best use of that knowledge. In that lies the fun of RvR for me.

[PS]
And anyone flaming people using any "you're from a realm that sucks" or "You hibbies/albs/mids..."-type argument needs to go outside more and learn the difference between international affairs and a computer game.

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by hellraisermk2

If you wanted to fight, you should have rolled a class that was aimed at that. Healers are not a melee class plain and simple... they're much more of a support class (and a damn damn useful one).

Healers are not a melee class eh? Do you mean Healers can't melee, or shouldn't melee? I have meleed several yellow cons supposed melee classes from Hib and Alb and come out on top. Why ? Because I have 2 50% insta heals, and insta stun/mezz. That gives me potentially as much HP as a moosed hero and the ability to stun and get heals in inbetween those instas. Its not easy, but its possible.

Put it this way (and I don't know what class you do play) but would you be willing in RvR to forgo you ENTIRE end bar every few mins on a realmate (for no reward I might add), and sit defenseless while it regens. Then stand up and do it again, and again, and again ? And please remember even with the best power regen, power takes longer to regen than end. Ressing people is A job we do, but it is not THE job we do, and we reserve the right to do it when we please.

People play this game for their own enjoyment, not yours. If a Healer wants to melee, let them, please don't judge or preach.

PS. After the changes to augmentation in 1.52, a Healer specced equally in aug + pac (say 23/3x/3x) will be a fearsome 1v1 opponent in RvR. Self dmg shield, self dmg add, self str/con buff, insta att speed debuff, celerity, 2 insta heals + insta mezz/stun. They won't kill you quickly, but you won't kill them quickly either

PPS. When the PvP server gets here, I will level an aug specced Healer, you are welcome to show me how much Healers suck in melee

 

[starblade]

Another rezzing discussion.
You simply have to accept that some players with the same class go different directions in RvR. Healers can rezz/heal or go with the group to mezz, Clerics can do the same or go for the smite / rp-earning style.

Because I am really not that good at RvR and it's awefully slow on my PC, I just stay behind for support a lot, rezzing peeps mostly. In the beginning, I was very upset about the number of people walking past a dead player, now I just accept it and start rezzing myself (yea Wedge, I look around and ask them if they have cleric inc ). I enjoy it a lot. Will never get a high RR but it makes me feel usefull in RvR since full-battle just freezes my fps

People play the style they have fun at and no thread will ever change that. Accept it, stay easy, wait for another rezzer and thank him/her.

 

[poppamies]

hmm healers cant melee...
i got 1300 hp atm + 2 instas total of 1200 more hp.
that means 2600 hp (will get the75% instas soon =total of 3300 hp or so) and af 598 (chain).
would u like to meet a guy that will hit an even con tank for 200 hp a hit and got 3300 hp + insta stun, insta mezz, insta ar mrzz, insta ae mezz ?
a tank gets me to 25% health -insta heal- 100% hp, again i get down to 25% hp - insta heal- 100% hp again, the tankis now down on 50 % hp.
now i use insta stunn 9 sec free bashing time for me.
tank down on 33% , insta ae stunn 7 sec free bashing time.
ur down to 10% hp i have 90-100% hp left.
i hit 1-2 more times and ur dead.
i heal myself to full hp again.
and if needed ill insta mezz u and heal myself in middle of a fight =)
so dont come and tell me a healer cant mele ok.

 

[Garnet]

wtf how do u hit for 200 damage!!! i can hit for maybe 50 with 1 handed hammer and about 100 with the 2 handed hammer.

 

[Jimli]

Originally posted by poppamies
hmm healers cant melee...
i got 1300 hp atm + 2 instas total of 1200 more hp.
that means 2600 hp (will get the75% instas soon =total of 3300 hp or so) and af 598 (chain).
would u like to meet a guy that will hit an even con tank for 200 hp a hit and got 3300 hp + insta stun, insta mezz, insta ar mrzz, insta ae mezz ?
a tank gets me to 25% health -insta heal- 100% hp, again i get down to 25% hp - insta heal- 100% hp again, the tankis now down on 50 % hp.
now i use insta stunn 9 sec free bashing time for me.
tank down on 33% , insta ae stunn 7 sec free bashing time.
ur down to 10% hp i have 90-100% hp left.
i hit 1-2 more times and ur dead.
i heal myself to full hp again.
and if needed ill insta mezz u and heal myself in middle of a fight =)
so dont come and tell me a healer cant mele ok.

Very very nice, but what about the bard that sticks a knife in your back now, your insta's wont be back for another 15 and 20 minutes

 

[Shaki/Aeis]

People who say you should play your healer in a special way are STUPID.

You play the game for your enjoyment and can play it anyway you want to.

Even if a healer only ress 2 out of 5 dead people he see he will still do something good for the others.

So don't say that people should not play healers if they dont want to run around ressing everyone!

Once again you only have a so called duty maybe to ress your group. Everyone who get ressed outside the group should be thankful and not see it as the healers duty.

 

[Jimli]

Amen

 

[old.Nol]

...

Healers don't rezz people they don't like, if you are dead and healers run past you, it's because they think you're a complete and utter tosser that deserves to be lying face down in the dirt.

Now, deal with that fact and think about how creating threads like this make us want to rezz you even less.

btw, I never see healers telling classes how to play, so fack off

kthnxbye

 

[[BF]kate]

Re: ...

Originally posted by old.Nol
Healers don't rezz people they don't like, if you are dead and healers run past you, it's because they think you're a complete and utter tosser that deserves to be lying face down in the dirt.

shhhhhh

 

[Garnet]

Re: ...

Originally posted by old.Nol
Healers don't rezz people they don't like, if you are dead and healers run past you, it's because they think you're a complete and utter tosser that deserves to be lying face down in the dirt.

That happened to me today, was ganked by 10 albs and the mids charged chasing the albs off, leaving me eating grass. 2 healers ran past me xanatea from NP and this other female healer, cant remember her name... she was in black... But the black healer came back about 5 mins later and resed me

 

[Ensceptifica]

Hmm with serenity 3 I can run my bubble, res people, cast bt on them so they don't instantly die again, and I don't have to wait for hours to get full mana again ( : Serenity isn't as grand as I hoped it would be, but it sure helps a lot ( : Last night at Crauch I ressed so many people I lost count (so can be any number above 4 )

 

[morabiliz]

As a shaman I rezz whenever I can spare a rezz/power. When I don't rezz I do it 4 a reason.
I play for fun and I'm specialized in Cave Magic and want to use it. I will not spend my evenings on rezzing stupid ppl getting killed for no reasons and then start yelling and msg like crazy. I don't have the same abilty to rezz as healers since I'm always almost out of power without mana regen - PURITY. And often when asking a healer - soz ooc. Would healers give away POMs to shamans I think there would be more rezzing.