Why dont all Xcal players unite under 1 guild?

[Mcdonald]

Already from the test server we all witnessed that both the Germans and the French have created MONSTER guilds. Given the fact that the players playing on french and german servers vastly outnumber us, who play on english servers, it would be more prudent to unite against them as a whole, in order to counter such a threat (french and germans generally go around ganking anyone who doesnt speak their language). Is there such a possibility? I personally doubt it. But I know for sure that should this become true we, the excal players, could dominate Camlann.

Any thoughts pertinent to this subject would be very welcome

 

[old.Krogar_Thane]

thats the dumbest idea i ever heard

thats the dumbest idea i ever heard

yes you are right it will never happen

A) there is a rather large amount of bad blood between some guilds and players across excal (Which in itself is very sad, as this is a game aftrall).

B) setting up national competition is ridiculous, racist, and just plain dumb, whether you group people by server, nationality or whatever.

i really do dislike the term PVP, in this context it should be guild vs guild, and no reference or comments should be made about the nationality of the people behind that particular guild.

what i mean is

Millenium may go to war vs Nolby Pride

that statement is fine, its a guild vs guild server.

but to say, hey, lets kill the french, germans etc etc is lame.

im not flaming you dood, just telling you that i think the statement
"we the excal players could dominate the server!"

why is that? are the excal players any more or less skilled than the avalon or broceliande server players. i dont think so.

end of thread.

 

[old.Vandgard]

And even ignoring what Krogar said who'd lead this super guild?

Too many people with over developed ego's, can you imagine the anarchy of having Killgorde/Xanatea/Veeshan as joint GMs over a guild of 600+ people?

Although guild chat would probably be pretty amusing, assuming you could read it with 600+ people all wanting their say.

french and germans generally go around ganking anyone who doesnt speak their language

Some probably did. Not that Excal players are any better in that regard, i was stopped by someone from NP and asked if i was French/German and after the negative he left me alone and was seen moments later attacking some French.

It was amusing at the time though.

 

[old.XanateA]

Probably cuz i wanna kill excal players more than the french and germans... especially mid/excal players

 

[angrysquirrel]

well i know what you're getting at here

i speak neither french nor german and will never get in one of their guilds, i think we may find that language barriers decide the guild wars quicker than anyone can post a message here about racism (or national pride and fun)

ooo who do you think you are kidding mr hitler..

 

[-optical-]

If all Excal players formed a huge guild ofc it would be a great threat to the german/french guilds... but its never gonna happen.

 

[harall]

Ha ha i could imagine what it would have seen like in GC when a Ding! comes up

 

[bonnie]

@Mcdonald

Interesting, the Germans and French are ganking anybody who doesn´t speak their language.

I am from Germany and will try to explain what we are doing.

If I am saying or yelling something, it will be in english, cause this is the official language of this server.

If I am grouping with an unknown player (in the first levels) I speak to him in English until I know from where he is.

Only in guildchat we use German.

And I didn´t see or hear from any German player on Gorre who ganked somebody in cause of communication or nationality.
I met a lot of them killing anybody but not filtered by this criteria.

The situation of the guilds coming from the German Servers is the same as written above, bad blood between some guilds, many people who think they are leading persons ( gg ) .
So don´t be too afraid of the MONSTER guilds.

PS
But keep in mind, even when we are trying to speak English, its a foreign language, pls don´t lough about mistakes and if you are answering do´n´t use too much shorties and RPGslang.

Hope to see u at Camlann

 

[xyza]

Bonnie....that's you.

Seems like atleast 1/3 of all German players don't understand english at all, except maybe: Me no english

I pk most germans on sight, since many of them are in German Knights, those guys has ganged up on me several times, so I'm just ganking back, no matter con to me.

and ofcourse, I usually gank anything I see, since even a grey is a potential threat to me

 

[Killgorde]

Logged into Gorre to check some things out.

Within 10 minutes saw "speak English or STFU !!!" about five times.

/Sighs at the stupidity, ignorance, bigotry and immaturity of some people.

/Calculates a maximum 25% English speaking population on Camlann from day one.

/Calculates that 75% of the Enlish speaking population wont be around more than a few weeks if they allow the above kind of shit to persist.

 

[old.Krogar_Thane]

and another thing

apart from obvious guild handles

millenium (known french server guild)
german knights (obvious)

what are you going to do? in the split seconds when you see enemy troops running towards you and you prep your mezzes and nukes are you gonna have a macro ready

/yell state your nationality!?

its the most ridiculous thing i have heard.



(ok , not THE most ridiculous thing, but its quite ridiculous).

 

[old.Atrox]

make uber guild not PvP

 

[Venemous]

...

Well im in an mainly Excal guild (Avalanche), and from what I have seen from my little test run on Gorre we have 3 allies that I met.
Ars Necadi (German)
Millenium (French)
Celtic Edge (English)
The people in those guilds seemed to be much nicer than your run of the mill Excal players..... You should ally with guilds you get along with not just ones that are "english".....

 

[)nick(]

The uber guilds you're talking about are your average NP guilds like we have on excal. There's going to be some great competition at the top which is why pvp will be so much fun. It will be very tough for unguilded people or people in the type of guilds that albion has, they just cant hack it at that kind of level.

Further more my list of people that I want to pk mostly contains excal players. So I'm thinking its a bad idea.

 

[old.chesnor]

Re: thats the dumbest idea i ever heard

Originally posted by old.Krogar_Thane
B) setting up national competition is ridiculous, racist, and just plain dumb, whether you group people by server, nationality or whatever.

What a load of bollocks. National competition is racist is it ? So football is racist? cricket and rugby is racist. Any sport where nations compete is racist by your definition. The Olympics are racist!

This has nothing to do with race or nationality. It is about aligning yourself with natural allies, i.e. people from your own country/neighbourhood/town/city or whatever.

The reason this would never work on the UK servers is that these servers are multi-national. Much more so than the French and German servers. I would predict that 90%+ of the players on the FR servers are...French. On the UK servers (in my experience) there are people from LOTS of countries I have met. Lots of Scandanavians, Spaniards, Scots, Irish, English, Welsh, Americans, Canadians, Lithuanians etc...etc..etc..

And not only that, no guild is physically big enough to accomodate XanateA AND Killgordes egos....Not by a long shot.

 

[Dagalush]

"setting up national competition is ridiculous, racist , and just plain dumb"

HAHA, racist... stfu kthxbye.

A good thing to take notice of is that GOA has confirmed that English is the language to use in all public chat, german/french etc is only allowed in pm or guild chat etc. Using any other language is against the CoC. So I'm going to be hitting that screenshot button like a madman, report everyone not speaking english... not that GOA will do anything though, but you can always hope... will get tired of it though since it will be a german and french spamfest on camlann.

 

[old.Krogar_Thane]

actually, you miss my point

the way it was originally stated in the first post, makes some kind of utterly ridiculous idea that we should unite under the banner of an "english server" and counter the threat of enemy "german and french" guilds.

perhaps racist is the wrong term, no, a football match is not racist, its international sport. but grouping factions under nationality of server is the most ridiculous concept i have heard, since firstly excalibur is very multinational and secondly the camlann server is not about that, its about guild vs guild, irrespective of what server that guild came from, and irrespective of the nationality of the majority of that guilds players.

nolby pride fighting millenium is just that, anybody who starts to say the swedes are fighting the french needs to get out more. those guilds are just examples i chose.

a comment like, "french and germans generally go round ganking any1 who dont speak their language"

followed up by - we should join up as the uber excalibur guild and gank teh germans and french.

is a very ill educated and naive opinion.

and that, is just my opinion.

 

[Mcdonald]

You are totally off-track....

Guys, it seems to me as if you have missed the point. Perhaps you have fallen victims of your own prejudices and thus attained a predispotition against the original post. Hence, I think that I have to clear things up a bit because there is a lot of needless and malevolent flaming going around here. The idea of the "uber guild" is totally irrelevant to nationality; it is all about COMPETITION.

To Krogor:

...perhaps racist is the wrong term, no, a football match is not racist, its international sport. but grouping factions under nationality of server is the most ridiculous concept i have heard...

You've got it all wrong there, boy . In case you didnt notice, the thread is titled "Why dont Xcal players unite under 1 guild" and not "Why dont ENGLISH players unite under 1 guild". You are totally ignorant of the fact that perhaps most people playing on excal are not English players.

Let us revert to the previous theme; as I clearly stated above, nationality is not an issue, the issue is the sheer amount of players on the German and French servers, not the players themselves. The Excalibur players being less in number need to find a way to overcome that. Broceliande players have done it, Lyonesse and Stonehedge players have done it as well.

That being said, my reference to the incident of German players (German Knights in particular) going around ganking non-german speakers was only meant to be used an example of how well they can enforce their will (killing players of course!).

As I posted in the original thread, the possibility of an xcal guild being formed is virtually non-existent. My purpose was to explore the options that there would be if one was ever formed. This thread was more like a think tank, nevertheless some of you completely misinterpreted the denotative (and connotative) meaning of it. :touch:

From now and on please THINK, and then post things that promote the thread's initial goal. Anything else will only result in more misunderstanding and making a fool of yourselves.

 

[old.Krogar_Thane]

ronald macdonald

i suggest then you pay less note on long winded and large worded posts to demonstrate your obviously voluminous vocabulary and mroe attention to the actual wording of your original post, which i found incomprensible and unclear, i was unable to disseminate your ideas of a think tank. (see, i can use long words too.)

the misunderstanding, if there is 1, centres around your comment of "french and germans generally go around ganking anyone who doesnt speak their language".

i take exception to this comment, and nowhere in your initial post do you make reference to the guild the german knights.

please sir, when trying to get a ridiculous and childish 1 upmanship on a video games forum, first check your facts and spend more time making your "think tank" ideas clear.

there is only one clown here matey, and he has a red curly wig, and serves big mac.

ill have mine with fries and a coke.
move along, next.

 

[Thorgald]

Geez!! ur acting like this was for real...

this is a game ladies and gentlemens...

 

[Mcdonald]

Indeed

Yep, a gentleman seems to have forgotten that... lighten up dude!

 

[Mcdonald]

btw

btw Krogar, nobody asked your opinion, if you dont have to say something pertinent to the topic, better post nothing at all. And yes, I like to flash my "voluminous vocabulary", english is not my native language and i can use it better than native speakers do, and I am very proud of it. Your "ad hominem" attacks only undermine your own credibility. The purpose of the fora is to actually be think tanks by providing subjects for creative discussion. If you cannot get a hold of this concept, that's not my problem. You are in no position to add attitude and value to emprical data because you are creating a distorted picture. (I dont characterize ideas as being dumb or silly; each and every theory you examine has some merit to it)
That being said, I'd really appreciate if you cease posting meaningless flaming posts and post something of interest...

PS: no hard feelings here, I just want to get the story straight

 

[old.Icebreaker]

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[old.Krogar_Thane]

ill have fries with that

and a healthy pinch of salt.

if you post a topic, then as you say, you must respect and accept every1s opinions, by making the initial post, you accept and even invite opinions and answers.

i presented mine, and even if you disagree with it 100% it is still valid and you cannot ask me to cease post. well you can ask, but i may choose not to heed your advice.

i disagreed with your terminoligy of your initial post, you tried later to invent stuff that you had not said in the first post , and you disagreed with mine. fair enough.

you called me "boy" and a fool.

i called you a hamburger flipping clown.

i think the thread has run its course. but i enjoyed it while it lasted.

regards to all, especially all macdonalds emlpoyees.

big macs all round.



p.s who is to judge whether a nonsense post or a flame is more worthy of being on these "fora"? (i didnt know that word existed, i always thought it was forums, but i cant be bothered to check). i prefer the odd flame, its more fun.

enjoy.

 

[old.Zanaa]

You guys see every football game as a display of racism?

 

[old.Finster]

couldn t care less than about nationality. to my experience people feel homely and tend to calm down when you can greet them with even as much as 3 words of their language. so it works both ways.

don t believe a second that the guild enmity and competition we see is exclusive to excalibur. exactly the same problems exist on german servers.

nolby pride has players from sweden, england, france, germany, russia and more. we re all united be the fact we d rather win than enjoy the game.



Finster, <Nolby Pride>

 

[old.Varg]

Finster - I think your definition of what unites NP is very precise

... and I don't think nationalities will matter very much in the long run, there are hopefully enough of em to make a healthy mix.

 

[Arrows]

i hate forums boards they make me sick sometimes every one in a rush not to tick each othe off .... Lets RULEZ the Camlann server ! Excal PLayers unite and the prydies ... and i hate to tell you this all the excal and pryd servers arent uk only players .. there english speaking players .... i can understand guilds grouping based on language .. not nationality though ... who says you cant speak english then lie about being english ..?

Excalibur and Pryd unite and when camlann comes out well own all ! Anyone who speaks english is welcome .. anyone who isnt is also welcome but you may find ithard in /gu .... nothing that can be done about that !


Gotta start coming up with guild names so get em in now

 

[Arrows]

another thing you need to think about what the pvp server means to you ...? a completely fair ordeal where all guids are balanced or a constant power struggle on an uber guild scale ..?

dont lie to yourself that way you wont be upset when you realise the truth

 

[old.Finster]

winner takes all. to the rest, death.