Why do inf Get 2.5 spec point

[[SC]Tzikas[Mid]]

Originally posted by Big-G-
shammy end buff gettin nerfed?
is it only me who thinks otherwise? for buffbot-status i mean
surley if its conc based u wont have to rebuff every 10 mins at mpk

or have i lost the plot ;/

Sure you dont have to rebuff, but if you go outside of the range on the spell (1500 units, wasnt it?) it stops wprking until you get back in range ...

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by ashitaka
Now you're just beeing silly. Said if a critblade lands PA and CD with a 2h on an inf or shade.. thats pretty much a gamebreaker..

And Hellskor: no, I wasn't sitting.. duh.

it's not any different if a NS or Infil lands PA, just that they probably get the CD in before you know what hit you.
As long as the Infil even bothers with a CD and doesn't just go for DF4TEHWIN!

 

[ashitaka]

WHINEISINTHEAIR!

 

[Balbor]

tbh all you Hib and Mid stelthers are a bit poo, me and an armsmen were tying to suiside in emain when we were attacked by 4 hib stelthers, i saw one of them try to walk around me so fired off Drive Evil and de-stelthed another 3 to boot and they still couldn't kill us in time (an alb group came along and BPAE'd the 2-3 ones left standing. And to cap it all off, i was running from apk to amg when a Hunter +pet and SB attacked me and they couldn't kill me in time, /cry.

All stelthers go write out 100 time: I must not attack clerics because they are chain wearing, self buffing, ae mezzing, Drive evil de-stelthing, stun nuking, BOF and 2 instent heals tought SOB's.

(must not mention the fact that i would have died on both ocations if other albs had not turned up)

 

[Fafnir]

Gifv mid more thrust weapons.

 

[Jintah]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor


highest PA for ages against a standing lvl50ish target (if I recall it right)
those 697dmg were my cap at that time, no idea why I hit that on someone who was standing.



Edit
<grmbl> can't put two images in here for some reason

Jintah has PA'd for 750+500crit before.. i do 700+ PAs quite alot tbh too.. but then again it really depends what RR the person im PA'ing is

spec 50thrust 44cs + MoP4 + buffs

 

[Big-G-]

Originally posted by Jintah
Jintah has PA'd for 750+500crit before.. i do 700+ PAs quite alot tbh too.. but then again it really depends what RR the person im PA'ing is

isnt the crit cap 50%? (apart from zerkers)
i smell someones pants on fire jint ;p
unless u like to pa mobs ofc.. but sounds like ure on about rvr and stuff :>

Originally posted by [SC]Tzikas[Mid]
Sure you dont have to rebuff, but if you go outside of the range on the spell (1500 units, wasnt it?) it stops wprking until you get back in range ...

well that sucks a bit, any real reason to implement the ranged effect for end regen? apart form the nerf stick up mids ass again ;p
maybe they want to put this ranged effect for all buffs.. but then 30-40% of subs woudl be cancelled

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by Jintah
Jintah has PA'd for 750+500crit before.. i do 700+ PAs quite alot tbh too.. but then again it really depends what RR the person im PA'ing is

spec 50thrust 44cs + MoP4 + buffs

as mentioned before, cap for Crits is 50%, so a 500dmg crit doesn't seem to be right, unless you're talking about PvE.

Sounds a bit like you prefer to hit lowbies

... hard to differentiate them with the new con system tho , guess that's what your idea about the RR comes from, most of those RR2/RR3 people are just taking a stroll around and are sub-50 most of the time.

 

[Big-G-]

now theres a postcount whore if ever ive seen one ;p

 

[old.Hellskor]

someone's messing around with the BW Settings I fear

 

[uncle]

Um so what if the end buff has a range, Pallies chant is exactly the same, ppl in the grp have to be close for it to work. And we didnt have the end regen till a couple of patches ago, so kindly stop moaning plz.

 

[Big-G-]

wake up and smell the *buffbot* whine pls!

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by sharma
mmm...

Fully buffed inf gets around 1700, fully buffed SB can get over 2k

yeah...50 extra HP

Briton infil:

70+75+125 con & 200 hits, toughness 1 aug con 1, = 1799 hitpoints

[ask solid about values]
Norseman Shadowblade 80+75+125con&200 hits, toughness 2m aug con2, 1999 hitpoints
[/ask]

8)

 

[old.Krusha]

if it werent for buffbots the SB wouldnt get the nerf theyre getting

The combo of end+la+buffs+sc pushed the class way over the line of what Mythic intended (or so they say). And please stop thse threads its a dead mutilated horse beaten to a thin layer of dust... but.... cwy more i guess.. but do so on VNBoards and you might see something happen (tho a very very slim chance )

 

[eynar]

Originally posted by SoulFly Amarok
Briton infil:

70+75+125 con & 200 hits, toughness 1 aug con 1, = 1799 hitpoints

[ask solid about values]
Norseman Shadowblade 80+75+125con&200 hits, toughness 2m aug con2, 1999 hitpoints
[/ask]

8)

Now you got me confused....isn't it somewhat logical that an sb with aug con 2 and toughness 2 has more hits than an infil with aug con 1 and toughness 1?

 

[Berz Blackburn]

Originally posted by Jintah
Jintah has PA'd for 750+500crit before.. i do 700+ PAs quite alot tbh too.. but then again it really depends what RR the person im PA'ing is

Well i dunno how they do that but Rambo has done exactly the same dmg on a rr 5 shaman with SC'ed armor (standing yes..). Go figure :/

 

[vestax]

Originally posted by eynar
Now you got me confused....isn't it somewhat logical that an sb with aug con 2 and toughness 2 has more hits than an infil with aug con 1 and toughness 1?

Yes but an extra 200 HP from those 2 RA's?

Thats the point he is trying to make

 

[mavericky]

Originally posted by vestax
Yes but an extra 200 HP from those 2 RA's?

Thats the point he is trying to make

not 200, but 100 maybe,

another lvl in aug con would give 6 more con, at about 3.2hp per con point


6 x 3.2 = 19.2

1799 hp + 19.2 = 1818.2

then another lvl of toughness

1818.2 x 3% = 1872.7


So 1872 v 1999 gives a fairer comparison, this is assuming that the inf has capped buffs

 

[Solid]

The ONLY HP boost SB have is extra 0.2hp per Con point.

Makes a buffed SB hp benefit larger than an unbuffed cos its not a static HP amount, itsa static MULTIPLIER on con.

Unbuffed fully capped Norse SB vs Briton Infil the HP diff is around 90 (consider half of that comes from having 10 higher con and the actual BOOST you speak of is not much)

If you wanna take things to extremes some DF Inf please feel free to post you BUFFED Weaponskill once we hit patch 1.62 and I can get a Norse SB to do the same.

I can guarantee a 200+ difference in weaponskill for anyone except a Pure Critblade.

Also consider that your Offhand tohit is based off that oh so superior 50spec Weaponskill so when you do swing, your chance to hit is much MUCH greater than a SB.

SB have 100% swing rate but tohit and damage based off LA spec with penalty
Inf/NS swing % based off DW/CDW spec but tohit and damage based off main weaponspec with zero penalty

Kinda evens out imo so LA post 1.62 is NO LONGER an advantage we have.

2H Perf + 0.2hp per con = SB advantage post 1.62

2.5x spec, evade in main weaponline, Str/Dex based Thrust weapon option = Inf advantages over SB.

I would say the Inf advantages outweigh the SB advantages by a clear margin now.

Please remember all that 2H grants a SB is 15% more BASE DAMAGE

The Perf damage is scaled with DELAY and CS spec, so a 2H Perf only gives you 15% base damage increase.

And before anyone speaks of frontloading, lol DW with high Weapon/CS, 2x Envenoms and fast PA+CD >>> 2H Perf

Suffice to say Infils have NO VALID REASON to receive 2.5x spec

Yes they deserve something else in return but 450 extra spec points vastly overshadows (pun intended) a 2H perf option and 0.2 hp per con

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by ashitaka
Now you're just beeing silly. Said ""IF""" a critblade lands PA and CD with a 2h on an inf or shade.. thats pretty much a gamebreaker..

And Hellskor: no, I wasn't sitting.. duh.

Yeah..IF...before you get the second style off the infil could have knitted a bleeding scarf

 

[old.mattshanes]

Like i said in other la thread solid, an inf can beat basically every tank in the game, a sb can't,sbs i will beat basically hands down most times, an inf though has 50/50 chance vs me(if specced thrust),i am sure that's the same for other alb tanks too.(if they admit it that is and not talk bullshit )

 

[Aravis]

Why do Infs get 2.5 points?

So you have something else to moan about...

 

[Damon_D]

Oi Oi thats a clever remark, did your mom help you ??? Now plz let the computer be and go play with the fingerpaint , ok little friend....

 

[Glacier]

i sense anger

 

[Solid]

anger?

prolly cos inf's know they are next to be nerfed

 

[Adale]

Yeah, SBS get 2handed weapons, but if you compare damage between PAing with a 2handed and 2 1handed weps it aint much different. Also... When u PA with 2handed he's prob already on Creeping death, comparing the damage of a 2hand with the speed and damage of 2 1handers... SBS dont really have much of a unique ability.


Even when you Land PA you dont have nuff time to change weps and land a CD. All sucks imo...

Nerf infs. being able to solo most chars in the game, as an assasin whos described as not being able to stand up in straight combat in the manuel :/

 

[sapios]

Originally posted by Adale
Even when you Land PA you dont have nuff time to change weps and land a CD. All sucks imo...

You mean YOU dont have enough time...

so maybe they should give SBs the unique ability to pause the game so you have enough time to change weapons

 

[old.Hellskor]

naw, think he just wanted to say : "PA with a 2h, and you'll get tickled to death before you swing again for the CD"

Just imagine an infil with Vanish gets PAed by a 2h wielding SB...

SB PAs the Infil
Infil Vanishes
Infil PAs
Infil CD
Infil uses tickle of death
Infil uses tickle of death
Infil uses tickle of death
SB comes out of Stun and executes the CD (incase the infil is still standing infront)
SB dies to poison


2H4TEHWIN!!!!11 or what ever it's called

 

[sapios]

Purge i think its called.....

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by sapios
Purge i think its called.....

...so you fight once and then hide for the rest of the 29mins ?