Why do inf Get 2.5 spec point

[feydigi]

Why ? if any rogue sould get 2.5 it sould be ns (feel sorry for them) and no i dont play hib

 

[Big-G-]

shadowblades get LA mechanics, NS's get magic..
infils get xbows!!

but (i think) the extra 0.3 is coz inf's get nothing extra or different like sb's or ns's

someone will probably end up proving me wrong tho

 

[pudzy]

sb's got 50hp...
ns's got DD's etc..
infils got a 9sec stun off evade :x.

 

[old.Hellskor]

Disguise

for SBs and NSs it was ment to be a magical ability, hence they had a powerpool even before NS got DDs.
for Infils it was meant to be a speccable line, hence the 0.3 extra specc points.

Never got implemented tho.

Now Nightshades got some gimpy DDs instead and SBs a little amount of HPs... and Infils remained with a brickload of Specc-points more.

<shrug>

NS got their RA's to balance them (gimps til RR5+), SBs LA damage balanced them (bare in mind it got actually raised in one of the 1.5x patches)



P.S. if anyone wants to point at the 'PA with 2handers' advantage, post the formula for PAs please too

 

[Aoln]

ur forgetting that SBs get shamans which > cleric/druid

 

[scarffs]

Aha why are shamans better then druid/cleric ?
Because of end buff which gets nerfed ?
Or maybe druids are better because they give a attack spd buff ?
or clerics with af buff ?

Tell me o wise one...

 

[Fantasyez]

so they have enough skill points for 50 thrust and 44 cs ofc

 

[shadowhaxxor]

af buff and haste [30% attack speed increase i think ] are good as end regen buff with a 10 min timer.

In 1.62 end regen buff will be crap and cleric//druid >shammy [ as buffbot i mean]

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by pudzy
sb's got 50hp...
ns's got DD's etc..
infils got a 9sec stun off evade :x.

more than 50hp -_-

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Yeah, Solid calculated it to... 72 I think!

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Which gets altered more by toughness and aug con, so die irl with 1999 hp norseman sb's with toughness 2 con 2.

with 1.62 buff changes, 2100 without breaking a swet

= DIE IRL!

infils won't even scratch the mark of 2000

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by Aoln
ur forgetting that SBs get shamans which > cleric/druid

Only if you play a SuicideBlade

otherwise the endregen is just enough to sprint to amgE or amgO (with hastner), then it's gone.
Personally I'd prefer the Haste Buff from a Druid.

 

[Spinky]

Please don't start arguing about "Your buffbot is better than mine"


pleeeeeease don't, I'll die of laughter if you do.


Then again, knock yourself out, argue about which realm has the better buffbot, remind me again why I quit

 

[iziz]

Originally posted by scarffs
Aha why are shamans better then druid/cleric ?
Because of end buff which gets nerfed ?
Or maybe druids are better because they give a attack spd buff ?
or clerics with af buff ?

Tell me o wise one...

Shaman is better than druid/cleric because they are not the main healing class of the realm. Hence every shaman that gets relegated to buffbot status doesn't affect the realm's healing ability as much as losing a druid/cleric does.

Well maybe that's just my opinion

 

[Sharma]

Originally posted by pudzy
sb's got 50hp...
ns's got DD's etc..
infils got a 9sec stun off evade :x.

mmm...

Fully buffed inf gets around 1700, fully buffed SB can get over 2k

yeah...50 extra HP

 

[Azal]

Originally posted by SoulFly Amarok
Which gets altered more by toughness and aug con, so die irl with 1999 hp norseman sb's with toughness 2 con 2.

with 1.62 buff changes, 2100 without breaking a swet

= DIE IRL!

infils won't even scratch the mark of 2000

erm, even NS can get well over 2000 hits with the 1.62 changes, the hits 'advantange' that SB get is very, very minimal

 

[Big-G-]

shammy end buff gettin nerfed?
is it only me who thinks otherwise? for buffbot-status i mean
surley if its conc based u wont have to rebuff every 10 mins at mpk

or have i lost the plot ;/

 

[Shike]

Originally posted by Big-G-
shammy end buff gettin nerfed?
is it only me who thinks otherwise? for buffbot-status i mean
surley if its conc based u wont have to rebuff every 10 mins at mpk

or have i lost the plot ;/

what you lost is that it will be on range

 

[Big-G-]

hehe k ;p

*hops on the buffbot-whine wagon*

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by sharma
mmm...

Fully buffed inf gets around 1700, fully buffed SB can get over 2k

yeah...50 extra HP

my 2nd SB has 1783 HPs fully buffed ... no Aug. Con or Toughness.

Even -if- Infils would get exactly 1700HPs max, that would be a whopping 83HP advantage ... YAY!

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by SoulFly Amarok
Which gets altered more by toughness and aug con, so die irl with 1999 hp norseman sb's with toughness 2 con 2.

with 1.62 buff changes, 2100 without breaking a swet

= DIE IRL!

infils won't even scratch the mark of 2000

well they dont have too because a SB will take 4 WEEK's too do 2000 hp of dmg after patch 1.62...but I guesses everything is cool aslong as the ALB-morons at mythic can PWN ..maybe they should find some peopel for patch testing and stuff, who does not have the sword of King Arthur up there ASS

 

[eynar]

Originally posted by feydigi
Why ? if any rogue sould get 2.5 it sould be ns (feel sorry for them) and no i dont play hib

It was done to please those 3 infils who didn't have a buff-bot prolly.....or another possibility is that one of the devs was thinking of the enormous increase of whine threads on all forums when they would only be given 2x spec...:kissit:

 

[succi]

Shades can have 1800 ish hp atm

aug con 3 ( pre req for Avoid Pain) and toughenss 2

 

[ashitaka]

If I could choose between Left Axe and Dual Wield.. guess what I would pick.

If I could choose between 6.0 spd Twohander or a 4.1 (?) Onehander to PA with, I know what I would pick.

Imho .3 specpoints compensates for twohander and leftaxes and dd's (say what you want, those dd's are incredibly good against casters that roots you and such)

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by ashitaka
If I could choose between Left Axe and Dual Wield.. guess what I would pick.

If I could choose between 6.0 spd Twohander or a 4.1 (?) Onehander to PA with, I know what I would pick.

Imho .3 specpoints compensates for twohander and leftaxes and dd's (say what you want, those dd's are incredibly good against casters that roots you and such)

hmm, do you know how LA Works ?

0.625 + ( <LA Specc> x 0.0034)

with ~50ish LA (with items) a 5specc SB has ~80% of what they'd hit for if they hadn't equipted a Left Axe.
the Axe in the Lefthand takes it weaponskill from the LA Specc, not the main-weaponspecc like DW/CD.

Would you really want LA after 1.62 ?


For PA

75 + <base damage> + 9 x <CS Specc> = PA Cap




PA Caps (lvl49.5, 168Str, 37+10 Sword, 34 +10CS, 39 +10LA)

1.) 16.2dps 4.1spd Bastard Sword + 2.4spd Hand Axe : 638

2.) 16.2dps 4.1spd Bastard Sword : 666damage

3.) 16.2dps 5.4spd Great Sword : 856damage

1.) compared to 2.) difference : 218damage CAP no resists, no absorb yet.

Before you swing that Great Sword twice, someone dualwielding will have swung 3 times at you.
You sure 2handers are that big an advantage ?

 

[ashitaka]

No buffed or unbuffed shadowblade have killed me faster than Brelakor.. (critblade I think), 3 hits, almost 2. And I was buffed, he was not. PA for nearly 800 dmg. Yes, I do infact think that twohander is a great advantage, and no, I would not want LA after 1.62. But then again we are not in 1.62 now.

I'm a scout in epic armor (studded), and cap melee resists + cleric AF buff, heh.

 

[old.Hellskor]

unless he doesn't do that on a regular basis, consider it a lucky crit. Or were you sitting down ?

Sometimes you get lucky, other times not.

getting shot from a RR2 Scout, next hit was 400+dmg

High End PA

highest PA for ages against a standing lvl50ish target (if I recall it right)
those 697dmg were my cap at that time, no idea why I hit that on someone who was standing.



Edit
<grmbl> can't put two images in here for some reason

 

[Damon_D]

Yeah the 2hander is a big advantage..too the infil's and NS's...you go toe to toe with one of em wielding a 2h and they will laugh there arses off...Sure its nice for doing a pa on a sitting caster...but thats about it

 

[ashitaka]

Originally posted by Damon Doombring
Yeah the 2hander is a big advantage..too the infil's and NS's...you go toe to toe with one of em wielding a 2h and they will laugh there arses off...Sure its nice for doing a pa on a sitting caster...but thats about it

Now you're just beeing silly. Said if a critblade lands PA and CD with a 2h on an inf or shade.. thats pretty much a gamebreaker..

And Hellskor: no, I wasn't sitting.. duh.

 

[Caeli]

Using a 2H you would only be able to land one hit before CD stun wears off and you don't really have any decent style to do a big chunk of damage after PA anyway. Killing someone using only the PA chain only happends once in a blue moon, I'd rather have 1Hs and CD/DW mechanics tbh.

PA, CD (evaded), dragonskilled/diamondback, laughed at, /release.